No, The Recession Is Not Driving People To Dial-UpBut it is apparently giving Earthlink lots of free advertising... ( old news - 04:53PM Monday Mar 30 2009) tags: prices · business · bandwidth · Oddities · consumersEarlier this month we noted how the press seems enamored with the idea that the recession is driving people back to dial-up, even if they lack a shred of data to support the idea. The articles (be they from the Associated Press, Tampa Tribune or Chicago Tribune, who love the idea so much they ran the same article twice) all start with the sad tale of some poor Joe or Jane who has decided to slum it on 56kbps because his or her retirement fund tanked. They go on to infer a broader trend is afoot, despite quoting analysts in their own pieces who insist this isn't the case. Many of the stories also quote Earthlink's Kevin Brand, who gets the opportunity to pitch sluggish, frequently unreliable dial-up to the nation's cheapskates and masochists. It could just be a coincidence, but the articles all arrived around the time Earthlink began using the recession to advertise a $7.95/month dial-up "recession special." From the Tampa Tribune: "If you need a job, you really need to stay connected," said Kevin Brand, EarthLink's senior vice president of product management. "You can use the Internet for 45 cents per day and that's affordable for anyone. Using the Internet is the best way to find a job nowadays." Brand referred to EarthLink's "Connect for Less" program, which offers dial-up service for $7.95 per month. From the Associated Press: "Dial-up is declining overall, but that doesn't mean it's not still a viable business," said Kevin Brand, senior vice president of product management at EarthLink Inc. "There's still a big market out there and during these tough times, even customers who have bundles including broadband may be looking at their bill and thinking, `Do I really need all this?' The problem is that while budgets are tight and broadband additions are slow due to the housing bubble, broadband is still growing (5.4 million new broadband subscribers last year). Not only are people not canceling broadband, very few are canceling TV service -- despite free Internet alternatives and bi-annual TV rate hikes for many. And of course as Ars Technica notes, the savings isn't really all the great anyway, especially considering (which Ars doesn't) you still need an expensive landline (or two, if you want to actually use the phone). We're never going back. You can't make us. Related:- Cricket Unveils New Voice, Data Plans
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  DoLeMiTe My Dixie Wrecked Premium join:2001-01-11 New Kensington, PA | What recession? What is this recession you speak of? I know nothing about it. | |
|  |   GOLFnSUN Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
| Go back to dial-up ?? It isn't going to happen And the same can be said about those who threaten to go back to dial-up if broadband providers institute caps. Empty threats.
Maybe the death spiral of dial-up will slow down just a little bit until the economy picks up. But that is the best AOL, Netzero and their brethren can hope for. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
|  |  |   Steve Mehs Go Sabres
join:2005-07-16 | Re: Go back to dial-up ?? It isn't going to happen I'll keep my 15Mb Road Runner for $50 a month. No way would I ever go back to dial up or even consider going with granny DSL. | |
|  |  |  |  |  ender7074
join:2006-11-21 Saint Louis, MO
·AT&T Southeast
| No way. To be honest, I'd rather not have internet than go back to dial up. It would be nothing but frustrating and I wouldn't be able to do any of the things I currently do on the net over dial up. Just another piece of trash put out by our worthless media to take up space. | |
|  |  |  |  |  hroo772 Darkness Fears Me Premium join:2002-04-05 Mclean, VA clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
| cheap dsl I think the more logical possibility is not people switching to dial-up, but to the lowest tier dsl if they are capable of getting that service. I would think that after people have had broadband, they would realize the pains of dial-up pretty quickly. | |
|  |   Laughing Man Stand Alone Complex Premium join:2008-03-17 Louisville, KY clubs: 1 edit | Re: cheap dsl That idea works unless you're on the lowest tier of dsl already  | |
|  |  |  me1212
join:2008-11-20 Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: cheap dsl Beats dial-up don't it? | |
|  andyross
join:2003-05-04 Schaumburg, IL
| per-minute charges? First, if you've dropped your landline, how do you do dial-up?
I hope people carefully check phone plans to make certain they are not using a metered phone number. I doubt there are as many dial-up points as there were several years ago. You could quickly end up spending more on phone bills than on broadband. | |
|  |   brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07 Brooklyn, NY | Re: per-minute charges? Just freeload lol | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   Goober
join:2000-12-17 Naperville, IL 1 edit | Re: per-minute charges? Why would you buy a new modem every month? | |
|  |  |   former 56ker
@comcast.net
| Actually, when I had dialup with AT&T, our bill went something like this:
$20/mo for dialup $20/mo for a phone line to use with dialup $20/mo for 'exceeding monthly usage of dialup' $15/mo taxes and fees
So, yeah. Pay $75 dollars for dialup if you want. I was happy to get cable lines ran to my house, even though I had to pay for them :/ | |
|   linicx Caveat Emptor Premium join:2002-12-03 United State
·CenturyLink
| Another perspective Karl's Op-Ed is way out of pocket.
First of all, when the 401K is flat, you make unpopular choices. And you do not have to "slum" to do it.
Secondly what passes for rural broadband is very expensive. $60 for 256k, when combined with unreliable connections and poor tech support, is not affordable to anyone for any reason. Add the forced LD/Local package with its metered calling and you get the real picture of the modern telco. For those who need the land line worse than the Internet, the choice is easy; no net. I ditched the phone company and the satellite in favor of cable package with VoIP. When combined with my cell I have 1700 free minutes. I save $70 every month and I have great service from a local company who thinks customers are its most valuable asset. -- Mac: No windows, No gates, Apple inside | |
|  Endgame Your member at work Premium join:2005-07-07 USA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
1 edit | Another person off of dial-up I finally got my mother to sign up for DSL Extreme 768/384k basic DSL today. She has been using crappy 45k Netzero dial-up for years. The Netzero connection software is very buggy and it decided not to want to work on her PC anymore even after a uninstall/reinstall and a avira scan. She doesn't want to spend more than $12.95 a month so she will have to live with basic. -- Thank you for choosing the Ferengi way of life humans! »memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Rules_o···uisition | |
|  brianiscool
join:2000-08-16 Miami, FL
·Comcast
| well it just does not make sense to get dialup. Even if you get dialup at $4.95 a month + $15 and tax for phone service. DSL lite starts at $19 dry line. You're better off just getting internet. If you have cell phone service and don't care about latency then get a $20 internet package. | |
|  me1212
join:2008-11-20 Pleasant Hill, MO
·VOIPo
| Why would people with VoIP(like me) go back to dial-up?
I pay $45 a month for my wireless internet(I live in a rural area) and about $14 for VOIPo 45+14=59 $11 less than my POTS bill was, and dial-up(26k) was $20 when I had it(I know it cost less now( my WISP also sell 56k dial-up($15 a month), or for ISDN[20]). So can I pay $59 for highspeed and VoIP or $85 for POTS+dial-up. I choose highspeed. | |
|   WaitingForTheWeb
@scnet.net
| Still a Dialup User I still use dial-up at home. No other option. No cable, no DSL. I'm not in the boonies - I live 35 miles from Washington DC, in Northern Virginia. Not enough homes per mile for the monopolies to run the wire. It ain't the recession, it's lack of coverage for me. | |
|  |  me1212
join:2008-11-20 Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: Still a Dialup User Are you sure you cannot get wireless, or even ISDN? Sat may work 4 some, but for me(I had Wildblue) with the higher cost & other factors(ping cap) dial-up>wildblue IMHO. ISDN/wireless> dial-up. | |
|   tomkb Premium join:2000-11-15 Avon, OH clubs: | ? What is dial-up? | |
|   Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17 Goleta, CA | I can see it happening, but I wouldn't do it The reason I can see it happening is you can get POTS for $9.95 here (local calling only) and internet for $5.00
Comparing the lowest level of cable at $28.95 plus the lowest level of cell service at $39.99. | |
|   maartena Stacked. Premium join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA
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1 edit | I'll give up.... My XM Radio, my HBO, the HDTV "premium" package that includes three flipping channels, several Magazines, and probably several other things before I give up internet.
As a matter of fact, I will probably downgrade a lot of internet subscriptions or cancel them I have to online services, before I have to give them up.
And if I really was facing a choice between "TV" or "Internet", I would give up TV and torrent the hell out of my internet connection to get the TV episodes I would have missed otherwise.
I would consider going down to the "Lite" package if I have to, but I would NEVER want to be without anything less then about 1.5 Mbit/s.
-- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" | |
|  |   yolarry
join:2007-12-29 Creston, WV | Re: I'll give up.... I right with you.
Internet will be the last on the list. | |
|  jkeelsnc
join:2008-08-22 Boone, NC
| Broadband in America Well all of this just illustrates what the Telcos don't want others to know. That is that broadband is not a luxury very much anymore and also that in rural areas their statistics are not accurate. They telcos are full of crap. 
Additionally, it illustrates the sad state of affairs in rural areas with internet. I live in town where I am and can get either 16mpbs cable if I wanted to pay charter's ridiculous price for it.. or the 6mpbs DSL that I get from AT&T. At least with that there are some OK speeds and decent service avaiable. Out of town though is a local phone coop that offers ONLY 1.5mpbs DSL at nearly $50 month! What a d&*& ripoff! The telcos need to get off their A&* and get this stuff going! | |
|   Boomerang86 Got FUD? Premium join:2002-10-18 VampireState clubs: | Those netzero ads sure are annoying too Most desktops of recent vintage don't even include dial-up modems anymore; not a choice for those folks. -- Don't pay ME back, pay it forward. | |
|  |  Sympathy
join:2004-09-06 Newburgh, NY | Re: Those netzero ads sure are annoying too If push came to shove I doubt anyone will cancel their broadband service. People might drop down to a lower tier speed, but going back to dial-up in web 2.0 - forget about it! | |
|  chronoss2009
join:2008-09-23
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Come to canada on may1st See how many either leave the net OR go back to dial up which is still crazy priced.
Up here they are tripling or quadrupling the cost of what one would normally get and in some guys cases that were doing more on there "unlimited" it means even worse cost to capacity.
Fact is a provincial 8% hike on net fees and doubling of bell canada's tarriffs and increases form all the cablecos means its a done deal for A crap load a people.
This is to help the economy? OK got ya. | |
|  |   chronoss go back
@cgocable.net
| Re: Come to canada on may1st said by chronoss2009 : See how many either leave the net OR go back to dial up which is still crazy priced. Up here they are tripling or quadrupling the cost of what one would normally get and in some guys cases that were doing more on there "unlimited" it means even worse cost to capacity. Fact is a provincial 8% hike on net fees and doubling of bell canada's tarriffs and increases form all the cablecos means its a done deal for A crap load a people. This is to help the economy? OK got ya. chronoss stay in teksavvy, we don't want to subject Americans to your paranoid delusional conspiracy theories do we? | |
|   martmann
join:2000-12-11 Federal Way, WA | . I was laid-off from Jan, 03 to Mar, 04. I went without a lot of things, but I kept my cable internet connection.
Some things are a must. | |
|   Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11 Fredonia, NY
| .. As Karl mentions, the cost of a land line to support the dial-up makes dial-up over-priced. Its cost is probably comparable, if not more than, a lowest tier broadband connection and voip combo. We shouldn't forget that the service would be better with both of the latter; unlimited calling, higher speed, use both simultaneously.
Phone, tv, and internet are staples that, for most, aren't going anywhere until someone takes them away. | |
|   Bellundo
@bell.ca
| No, The Recession Is Not Driving People To Dial-Up You better add "in America" to "No, The Recession Is Not Driving People To Dial-Up". In Canada people are reverting back to dial-up in droves as overuse charges, ridiculous caps and speed throttling and traffic shaping are just making Canadians go back to dial-up or just plain give up on the internet altogether. | |
|  Walter Dnes
join:2008-01-27 Thornhill, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Broadband *AND* dialup, anyone? I live in the greater Toronto area. I have a basic Bell landline, Teksavvy ADSL, and dialup from 295.ca (who charge $2.95/month). The dialup is for emergency backup only. The last time I made extensive use of it was before I switched away from Cybersurf (you don't want to know) to Teksavvy. I test my dialup connection every couple of months. I do NOT want to go back to it full time.
If Bell succeeds in capping 3rd-party ADSL users, I'll start routing my email, usenet, and OS updates via the phone, and use the ADSL bandwidth for internet radio and surfing. Who cares if a major update is an overnight thing? For that matter, I can start it just before going to bed, and let it run overnight, and the following day until I get back from work in the afternoon. In 16 hours, the dialup modem can pull over 300 megabytes, with even a sloppy 43,333 bps connection. I can usually connect better than 43,333. | |
|  |   linicx Caveat Emptor Premium join:2002-12-03 United State
·CenturyLink
| Re: Broadband *AND* dialup, anyone? The problem you may run into is most ISPs won't let a dialup connection data stream for 16 hours without some type of prior arrangement, and even then a line glitch can drop the connections. If you are going to do that, get a good book and stay up all night to keep your connection live. You should also be able to go to the local library with a fast connection and a DVD, and get your downloads easier and a lot quicker. Most libraries I use are pretty good about it when you explain what you are doing and why. The best way to explain the diff is when I first got broadband, I could download the full Netscape package in 6 minutes or less - whereas with dialup it took 45 minutes. And that was several years go. On a really fast connection you can download 700MB in 40 minutes or less. -- Mac: No windows, No gates, Apple inside | |
|  djrobsd
join:2002-01-24 San Diego, CA
| Cancelling Tv! I doubt many people will cancel their broadband, but i know plenty of friends here in San Diego that have cancelled ALL of their services with Cox except internet. It's so easy to get TV online through itunes, the tv's own web site, bittorrents, rapidshare, etc, that there is NO REASON to really have cable any more, especially if you have a PS3 or some other media center in your living room.
So, I don't think this article is 100% correct, I bet cable subscriptions are dropping. | |
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