cchhat01Dr. Zoidberg join:2001-05-01 Elmhurst, NY |
why is it such a big dealIts like people just want to keep beating a dead horse... who cares if its coming or not... people who want to get it for use on T-Mobile will get it and use it irrespective of this... Merrill just wants to cause some investor hoopla... its like treating the economy like a virtual sandbox, provide some input (even if its garbage) and see what the outcome is...
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2012-Nov-29 3:35 pm
Re: why is it such a big dealIt's about a big of a deal as about a bank analyst making blind comments on technology. | |
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2012-Nov-29 5:58 pm
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said by cchhat01:Its like people just want to keep beating a dead horse... who cares if its coming or not... people who want to get it for use on T-Mobile will get it and use it irrespective of this... Merrill just wants to cause some investor hoopla... its like treating the economy like a virtual sandbox, provide some input (even if its garbage) and see what the outcome is...
Jeez, gimme something meaningful to read. The reason T-Mobile customers care if the Iphone comes to T-mobile is because then we wouldn't have to pay $600 and way up for a new phone. I don't see why 200 vs 600 for the LOWEST model doesn't sound like a big deal. Also, being able to just go to a T-mobile store and say hey I'm having a problem blah blah blah and there like ok we can SUPPORT you heres the solution... That is the main reason T-mobile customers (like myself) care for this... | |
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2012-Nov-29 2:55 pm
They can't afford itIf they don't even have the money to actually expand 4G outside of areas with a population density greater than 5 million per square inch, they can't afford the iPhone.
Sadly, this company is still primarily and EDGE carrier. I just became a customer a few weeks ago and am already porting out due to unprofessional customer service. One of the "4G" towers near me has had speed issues for two weeks. I made a Google Map and plotted all of the problematic areas.
Their response: "We can't be grantee coverage in all areas." Very professional. | |
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2012-Nov-29 3:27 pm
Re: They can't afford itsaid by ssavoy:Their response: "We can't be grantee coverage in all areas." Very professional. It's the truth though. Sorry that upsets you. | |
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ssavoy
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2012-Nov-29 3:29 pm
Re: They can't afford itWell, I should mention coverage exists. It's just something on their end that's not working correctly. There's a difference between simply not having service and having *broken* service. In this case it's broken service. | |
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said by Cheese:said by ssavoy:Their response: "We can't be grantee coverage in all areas." Very professional. not to mention that with their refarming, slowdowns are happening while upgrading towers. It should go away soon It's the truth though. Sorry that upsets you. | |
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said by ssavoy:expand 4G outside of areas with a population density
Their response: "We can't be grantee coverage in all areas." Very professional. No one has actual 4G yet. No one can guarantee coverage either. | |
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2012-Nov-29 3:48 pm
Re: They can't afford itI have excellent coverage but it's "broken" in a specific location. I don't care so much as to that as I do the way the situation was handled. I gave them lots of info to help them out and they didn't even bother forwarding it to their network team.
And I use 4G as a placeholder for HSPA+. Sorry for the technicality. | |
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Re: They can't afford itTMO-USA and all carriers have a clause that states that coverage is NOT available in all areas. So weather its data or voice, still, coverage is not available in all areas and they make that clear, its on their website, on all marketing materials and in their contract. "MAP INFORMATION: Capable device required for network connection and 3G and 4G speeds. Roaming and on-network data allotments may differ. Maps approximate anticipated coverage outdoors, based on a variety of factors, and do not guarantee service availability. Learn more" » www.t-mobile.com/coverag ··· pcc.aspxAnd this is what you get when you click on "learn more": MAP INFORMATION: (Effective June 5, 2012) Maps approximate anticipated coverage outdoors, which may include limited or no coverage areas, and do not guarantee service availability. Within coverage areas, network changes, traffic volume, outages, technical limitations, signal strength, your equipment, obstructions, weather and other conditions may interfere with service quality and availability. Capable device required for network connection and 3G and 4G speeds. Home internet speeds vary widely. Maps do not reflect coverage areas for Prepaid/Monthly4G service. See Prepaid/Monthly4G coverage map for details. Roaming Partner: Roaming refers to usage while on a roaming partners network within coverage area; not available for Mobile Broadband plans. Your roaming and on-network data allotments may differ; see rate plan for details. We are not responsible for the performance of our roaming partners networks. International roaming incurs additional charges and refers to usage outside of the US. Some areas of roaming coverage require a multi-band device. Certain devices and features will not work when roaming. Ask a sales representative or visit www.t-mobile.com/coverage for more information. If you travel outside of coverage areas, your device will not work. © 2002-2012 T-Mobile USA, Inc. | |
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said by 34764170:No one has actual 4G yet. Read the current requirements to be considered 4G. | |
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2012-Nov-30 12:40 am
Re: They can't afford itsaid by tcope:said by 34764170:No one has actual 4G yet. Read the current requirements to be considered 4G. I have. ITU allowing carriers to use the 4G trademark to market LTE and HSPA+ as 4G does not make it 4G. ITU has made it pretty clear that they're transitional technologies and only LTE Advanced and WiMAX 2 are considered 4G. | |
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Re: They can't afford itNot to mention, with the exception of AT&T and T-Mobile's USA division, almost nobody else labels their 3.5G HSPA+ as 4G. | |
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your site in dallas PA doesnt even have 3/4g equipment on it, it's edge only. the closest 3/4g tower to you is on the outskirts of wilkes-barre on 309...could be why you dont see the speeds you want. | |
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ssavoy
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2012-Nov-29 4:50 pm
Re: They can't afford itI know, it's in a specific area of Wilkes-Barre. I have EDGE at home that works and that's not a big deal to me. But the problem is in a 4G area. | |
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2012-Nov-29 5:58 pm
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said by ssavoy:Their response: "We can't be grantee coverage in all areas." Very professional. At least T-mobile is honest with their responces I highly value that in a company not just a "oh screw it we will fix it later" kind of attitude... But then again if you enjoy the lies other companies tell you... to each his own i suppose ... | |
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2012-Nov-29 6:07 pm
Re: They can't afford itOr the pic of the verizon coverage down at the mall. You know the one, with the usa all in red. LOL. | |
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Well an "oh screw it we will fix it later" is better than the "we can't guarantee it will work" | |
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2012-Nov-29 7:33 pm
Re: They can't afford itsaid by ssavoy:Well an "oh screw it we will fix it later" is better than the "we can't guarantee it will work" And then you would complain when it's still not working. They told you the truth. There really isn't much more to go on about. | |
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2012-Nov-30 12:46 am
Re: They can't afford itsaid by Cheese:And then you would complain when it's still not working. They told you the truth. There really isn't much more to go on about. Some people seem to prefer being told a lie instead of the truth. | |
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2012-Nov-30 8:10 am
Re: They can't afford itSo it seems, lol! | |
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IowaCowboyLost in the Supermarket Premium Member join:2010-10-16 Springfield, MA |
Simple solutionA simple solution would be for Apple to make an iPhone that is compatible with T-Mobile's network. The had to adapt their iPhone lineup to start selling them on Verizon. If Apple had their way, AT&T would still have exclusivity. | |
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Re: Simple solutionVZW had the chance to get the iPhone first. That has been stated several times over and over. VZW just didn't want to give up control of the Apps store to iTunes. So they went to AT&T who was fine with that.
And they could go back to being exclusive with another model of the iPhone nothing is stopping them from doing so. | |
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said by IowaCowboy:A simple solution would be for Apple to make an iPhone that is compatible with T-Mobile's network. The had to adapt their iPhone lineup to start selling them on Verizon. They needed to make a special Verizon Phone since Verizon uses a technology that is not compatible with AT&T (and T-Mobile). When Apple released the iPhone5 they COULD have added T-Mobile 1700MHz 3G capability in addition to the 1900MHz that AT&T uses but they did not. | |
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2012-Nov-29 3:36 pm
!I think T-mobile is just waiting for the MetroPCS deal to go through before they go crazy on any deployment based on the spectrum MetroPCS will provide.
Even after the merger you will have the process of refarming, migrating, and deploying such networks on 1900mhz which takes time even if they work like clockwork and already have the plan written up.
If T-mobile does release an iPhone, it would have to be native freqs and a exclusive deal with Apple. My only question will be: How much did you pay T-mobile? | |
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2012-Nov-29 3:42 pm
BFDSeriously, the iPhone is an overrated, obsolete POJ. | |
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Maybe this time it will happenWho knows , maybe this time it will happen. Even if it is true , that doesn't mean Tmobile needs to start selling it immediately in the next week or even month. No one but Tmobile knows how far they are on refarming the spectrum for iphone users. It could be clearly just a announcement they will start selling it in the next "X" number of months. Clearly the top management realizes they need it and even said it was a big reason why their churn rate is higher than ever. I personally would never own a Iphone but apparently many users would like the option. Maybe this is why the went back with the unlimited campaign again. Also their has been a lot of chatter by tmo employees on Tmonews that Tmobile plans on canning classic "post paid" plans very soon. Which would leave value plans and prepaid. Which semi makes sense about the metro merger. Plus this would keep the subsidy cost of the Iphone down , cause there wouldn't be any subsidy anymore. Meaning they would only have Value plans which are still 2 yr contract and you pay full price for a phone with a down payment and 20 monthly payments. That's my speculation | |
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Just a note, did not say which one...The article Merril Lynch wrote states the I phone is coming to TMobile, they never said which one!
That might be the catch and got ya to the bottom line. T mobile and Apple possibly striking a deal to sell refurbished or discontinued Iphone 4 or 4S on TMO network eliminating TMO of the huge investments and financial blunders the other three ( especially sprint) gave into to carry the latest and greatest Iphone for the fanboys. | |
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Re: Just a note, did not say which one...the hype of the iPhone pretty much ended when it hit Cricket/LEAP and Virgin Mobile. It was no longer that big of a deal. | |
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2012-Nov-29 6:20 pm
This write-up is idioticThe iPhone 5 has AWS support and HSPA+ support, just not both put together. If the iPhone were to launch on T-Mobile, it would have AWS HSPA+. The network is not the issue. Heck, Apple put it on Sprint. It's the price. Until T-Mobile pays the price, they will have to keep re-farming for HSPA+ on PCS. When they pay the price, the T-Mobile iPhones will work just fine with DC-HSPA+ on AWS. | |
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2012-Nov-29 8:21 pm
Re: This write-up is idioticEven more so - the write up contradicts itself. said by Karl : So far, the company has so far focused on launching HSPA+ service over the company's 1900 MHz spectrum, trying to lure unlocked iPhone owners over to their network. However, HSPA+ over 1900 MHz is only available in 15 markets.
and yet... said by Karl : T-Mobile's HSPA network doesn't yet support the PCS 3G bands used by the iPhone,
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2012-Nov-30 5:16 am
... the heck are they smoking..Even in most of the NYC metro area, I have had spotty service when attempting to use my T-mobile SIM card with a non-AWS 3G device (» airportal.de pretty much shows this, as the PCS 3.5G coverage is rather spotty, since the refarming is still very much a work in progress.) Heck, the reps at the Union Square store were telling a couple activating their iPhones that there was no guaranteed HSPA coverage for PCS in NYC. I can see something like this being remotely considerable around late 2013, when T-mobile finally gets the refarming done en masse in most of their existing HSPA+ footprint, and some measure of an LTE rollout complete (should be possible as most HSPA+ towers already have some form of fiber ethernet backhaul.) Even so, I doubt T-mobile will actually sign an agreement with Apple... as it is, they have had to sell off their towers just to finance the spectrum refarm and network modernization program... a > $15-20 Billion deal will only hurt them, especially as the iPhone isn't anywhere near as big a deal now as it was a few years ago. Also, T-mobile is leaning heavily towards the un-subsidized contract+prepaid phone model, with the encouragement to get people onto value plans (just signed up myself actually), and subsidizing $700 devices runs rather counter to that model... | |
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