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Downstream nudged to 7mbps, upstream forgotten...
09:35AM Tuesday May 06 2008 by Karl Bode
tags: business · bandwidth · cable · RoadRunner Cable
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Time Warner Cable/Roadrunner's broadband speeds and prices vary drastically from market to market (sometimes zip code to zip code) depending on competition. In at least parts of one market (NYC) they offer 20Mbps service, with 10Mbps being standard. In most other locations, they've been bumping their standard speed tiers from 5Mbps to 7Mbps, with a faster 15Mbps tier wherever FiOS has been deployed. Our users note that large portions of North Carolina are the latest to be upgraded (though not upstream speeds).

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hayabusa3303
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turbo in south carolina

10/512 upload could use some help.

Keep working on it time warner.

MattE
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North Carolina

We used to get the higher speed tiers first, now we haven't seen a bump in upstream since Xtreme/Turbo was unveiled. In other words, the upstream hasn't been bumped up since the Road Runner product was introduced. Pathetic.

TScheisskopf
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May 6th, @10:44AM

Re: North Carolina

Well, bumping upload speeds would require them to upgrade their backhaul infrastructure which would mean investment in that infrastructure. You can bet some pointy-haired accountant has massaged numbers and concluded that:

1. Most users don't know what "upstream" is.

2. They would not make their investment back in one month or less. Preferably less.

3. #2 means that stockholders and Wall Street analysts would get a load in their dydies and we can't be having that.
firewire9999

join:2004-07-11
Livonia, MI

Re: North Carolina

Sounds like were crossed over to the DILBERT zone.

TScheisskopf
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Re: North Carolina

Part of the problem is that it seems that stockholders and Wall Street analysts seem to be hyperactive children and don't understand that in a properly-functioning capitalist system, reinvestment of profits in infrastructure upgrades, both private and civil, is how the economy maintains robust health.

Of course, perusing the economy today, the above might answer some questions.
espaeth
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said by TScheisskopf See Profile :

Well, bumping upload speeds would require them to upgrade their backhaul infrastructure which would mean investment in that infrastructure.
Technically speaking, bumping upload speeds would require upgrades in the plant itself by either doing node splits or frequency adds. The backhaul is symmetrical and would have more than enough capacity already.

MattE
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Re: North Carolina

said by espaeth See Profile :

said by TScheisskopf See Profile :

Well, bumping upload speeds would require them to upgrade their backhaul infrastructure which would mean investment in that infrastructure.
Technically speaking, bumping upload speeds would require upgrades in the plant itself by either doing node splits or frequency adds. The backhaul is symmetrical and would have more than enough capacity already.
Yep, I know their backhaul out of the Triad is a SONET OC-48 RING (2 x 2.4Gbps) which connects to Raleigh and Charlotte. They were testing a DWDM 10x10Gig link to Charlotte the last time I toured their RDC.

goliath28

@comcast.net

Why do people keep complaining about upload speeds? Upload is for sending data. Are you running servers? Or bittorrent. Why do you need that extra bandwidth? And if you really do need it upgrade your account and they will be more than happy to supply it.

Also before you say, "well I am using my account for work so I transfer alot of files..." you can get the extra bandwidth for that.. UPGRADE YOUR ACCOUNT!

MattE
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Re: North Carolina

said by goliath28 :

Why do people keep complaining about upload speeds? Upload is for sending data. Are you running servers? Or bittorrent. Why do you need that extra bandwidth? And if you really do need it upgrade your account and they will be more than happy to supply it.

Also before you say, "well I am using my account for work so I transfer alot of files..." you can get the extra bandwidth for that.. UPGRADE YOUR ACCOUNT!
The fastest they offer is 512Kbps. They don't offer ANYTHING on the residential side faster. Period. 512Kbps is pathetic in this day of pictures and videos.

RR User

@rr.com

Re: North Carolina

I just think every cable provider should offer a minimum of 1Mbps on their fastest residential tier in every area they serve. It can be done. 512k really is a joke, and even worse, 384k. Uploading just 40 7MP images from my digital camera to be developed online is a 1-2 hour upload process and nearly renders my computer useless for any other internet task during that time because it chokes the download so badly.

Forget about home movies/video.
Smith6612
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May 6th, @05:42PM

Try uploading HD videos and you'll see what I mean. I record a lot of my game videos in pure HD and I literally can wait sometimes hours for them to upload at full speed, especially since 10 minutes of a video file consists of 400+MB worth of data. I have DSL here, but the slowest package of 128kbps (I really get 139kbps) on the upstream from Verizon. That's 60MB AN HOUR!!! So yeah, upstream is just important as the downstream now a days, as even people like grandmas are getting things like Digital cameras and sending their relatives 2MB pictures per file. At slow upload speeds, it can take a long time for even one picture. Roadrunner has only 2Mbps of upload in my area, while FiOS has 15Mbps. I have plans to get FiOS when they roll it in very soon.

Heck, on a T3 it's still going to take a few minutes to upload my videos.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

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May 6th, @06:42PM

I have 20/1 in NYC, although its more like 16/1, I'm happy. Although it is the highest tier offered and something like $70 a month.
raydsltech

join:2004-07-04
Concord, NC
Here is Concord Mt Pleasent area after a power cycled the modem blam 10 Mb. I like it. Ps I have turbo.

Ray
mgbaker

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News14 confirmation

»news14.com/content/top_stories/5···ult.aspx

MORRISVILLE, N.C. -- Time Warner Cable will dramatically increase the speeds of its award winning High Speed Internet Service, Road Runner. Road Runner Standard will see a 40 percent speed boost from 5 Mega bits per second (Mbps) to a blazing 7 Mbps. Road Runner Turbo will jump from 8 Mbps to 10 Mbps.

In addition to the increased download speeds, Road Runner High Speed Online residential service will continue to offer customers ten e-mail accounts, personal home page space, parental controls, a free suite of Internet security software and more. There will be no price changes associated with these speed increases.
Cod

join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC

Re: News14 confirmation

said by mgbaker See Profile :

»news14.com/content/top_stories/5···ult.aspx

MORRISVILLE, N.C. -- Time Warner Cable will dramatically increase the speeds of its award winning High Speed Internet Service, Road Runner. Road Runner Standard will see a 40 percent speed boost from 5 Mega bits per second (Mbps) to a blazing 7 Mbps. Road Runner Turbo will jump from 8 Mbps to 10 Mbps.

In addition to the increased download speeds, Road Runner High Speed Online residential service will continue to offer customers ten e-mail accounts, personal home page space, parental controls, a free suite of Internet security software and more. There will be no price changes associated with these speed increases.
Sounds like News14 just cut, copied & pasted a Time Warner press release... I hardly agree that a 2 meg speed bump (down only) is a "dramatic" speed increase -but still welcome nonetheless.
mgbaker

join:2000-05-14
Charlotte, NC

Re: News14 confirmation

News14 is owned by Time Warner, that's probably why.
Cod

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Greensboro, NC

Re: News14 confirmation

said by mgbaker See Profile :

News14 is owned by Time Warner, that's probably why.
aahh, makes sense.

tiger72
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that's how all news is nowadays. News networks merely copy and paste press-releases and call it "news".
mgbaker

join:2000-05-14
Charlotte, NC

edit:
May 6th, @08:44PM

Re: News14 confirmation

That's true. Most networks, websites and newspapers hardly do their own reporting now, they simply use an Associated Press (AP) article. Go to just about any site, the "news" is some regurgitated AP article, usually.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: News14 confirmation

Some networks/stations are so cheap they don't even want to pay the AP, so they air free news from corporate interests. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_news_release

RR User

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Yeah, I don't call it dramatic either, but for many of NC's users that TW is feeding out of it's own grubby hands, most will probably think it's a dramatic upgrade.
tasmithe

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Graham, NC
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I was told by the Greensboro office that the "triad" rr was going from 5 to 10 for standard residential and turbo was going from 8 to 15. Wonder why Greensboro is getting more than other areas in NC? I'm glad I'm fed out of that plant. I haven't checked the speeds yet, however.
teeezur

join:2000-11-25
Yadkinville, NC

Re: News14 confirmation

I'm on a triad rr connection. I rebooted my cable box and used speakeasy's speed test and got the following...

Download Speed: 5973 kbps (746.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 371 kbps (46.4 KB/sec transfer rate)

So it appears, at least in my area, that they only boosted the download speed...1 meg...not the doubling that the GSO office told you.
tasmithe

join:2002-09-16
Graham, NC

Re: News14 confirmation

I didn't reset the modem but I'm getting like 5900....I was told that I didn't have to reboot the modem for this. Maybe this was the same person that told me we were going to 10. LOL ??

maartena
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA

Upload rediculous.......

To download with 10 Mbps, you need about 3% of that bandwidth for packet requests on the return channel. In other words, downloading with 10 Mbps means there is an upstream of 300 to 400 kbps.

512 BARELY can cover that, let alone doing some uploading and downloading at the same time, because it is just not gonna happen, you'll get half the speed in downloads if you take too much upload away fro packet requests etc.

Whaddaloadabull.
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espaeth
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Re: Upload rediculous.......

said by maartena See Profile :

To download with 10 Mbps, you need about 3% of that bandwidth for packet requests on the return channel. In other words, downloading with 10 Mbps means there is an upstream of 300 to 400 kbps.
Depends on your TCP window size. If you configure your stack optimally you could get as low as 1 TCP ACK per 512-1024KB, which means your upstream burden is significantly lower.

Gts
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Re: Upload rediculous.......

actually Road Runner no longer offers Turbo, Premium, or Extreme (20mbps) anymore. I called up recently to upgrade, and was told they no longer off it.

I'm surprised they call that a 'upgrade'
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: Upload rediculous.......

Well I am in NYC and I have Extreme (20/1), Premium doesn't exist anymore, the one below Extreme is Turbo (15/768), standard is 10/512.

A cable tech told me during a visit the higher plans are going to be disconnected due to congestion, although he wasn't 100% sure.

I guess they might be refusing the higher tiers on congested nodes, actually, all mentions of Turbo disappeared from the TWC NYC website (Extreme was never mentioned). Damn, TWC gave speed boosts and now had to cancel higher tiers b/c of overloaded nodes. I guess all DOCSIS 3 will do is enable 15/768 Turbo again lol.
kd6cae
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wow they should at least offer 1mbit nowadays

A top upload speed of just 512k? What kind of a joke is that? All cable systems I know of are capable of at least 2Mbit/sec upload, so quit being so stingy on the upload side of the deal here! Cable is capable of so much more, yet those wanting upload will be forced to switch to DSL if they keep doing that.

kpfx

join:2005-10-28
Kerrville, TX
·RoadRunner Cable

Varies by Market

It really does vary by market....

For reference, down here in the Texas region you're looking at the following residential offerings.

Lite 768x128
Standard 7x512
Turbo 10x1.0

Commercial speeds can go as high as 15x2.

Premium was also renamed Turbo to avoid confusion with the "premium" web services that can be purchased on their portal (www.rr.com).

Dragasoni
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Clearwater, FL

Re: Varies by Market

Here in Tampa Bay we have 4 tiers:

Lite
768/256 Kbps

Standard
7000/512 Kbps

Turbo
15/2 Mbps

Turbo Plus
20/2 Mbps

»tampabay.mybrighthouse.com/produ···are.aspx

They REALLY need to work on upload speeds, since FiOS is offering 20/5 Mbps tiers in this area.

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dvd536
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Upload forgotten

Why doesn't that surprise me? because upload can ALWAYS be used unlike token downstream boosts which go largely unused.
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twenty

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actual speed?

capped at 20mbps but seriously what are actual speeds?

madmax2000
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Upload.

If you need more upload subscribe to a biz account.
and stop crying about wanting biz upload speeds on a residential account. Or subscribe to a Carrier Class Circuit

Most people dont need over 512 upload some people do.
But their are ways to get faster upload

a333
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Corona, NY
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: Upload.

errr, you obviously are one of those grannies still browsing JPEG flicks and text pages on the 'net. Wake up, people now have digital cameras, camcorders, mp3 collections, webcams.......
You don't have to pirate stuff (p2p) or run a supposedly illegal server to use lots of upstream. Every try uploading your photo collection in an e-mail, or send a DVD's worth of home video footage? With current TW connections, this can take HOURS. And getting biz doesn't entitle you to a different physical network. You still're affected by node congestion and the crap latency that goes with it during peak hours. Only diff. is static IP's, web servers, and a better SLA, possibly. And why should I need a carrier class circuit to upload photos to grandma?

madmax2000
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Re: Upload.

you pay for what you get
pilotsr

join:2002-08-08
Troutman, NC

10/512 in Troutman after power cycle

After a few short outages earlier today, I noticed an increase in my Turbo package. I am now pulling 10/512 after being upgraded to 8/512 earlier this week.

Now how about we compete with other markets. I moved down here from New York back in November, and it stings to hear you guys up there now have 20/1 lol...
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