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North Carolina To Try And Ban Community Fiber Today
Whether your town or city likes it or not...
by Karl Bode Wednesday 05-May-2010 tags: legal · business · bandwidth · legislation · municipal
Stop The Cap notes that Time Warner Cable and friends have returned to their efforts to ban North Carolina communities from wiring themselves with fiber. Loyal lawmakers in the State today plan to introduce a bill that would impose a "moratorium" on municipal broadband deployment (even if a town or city votes to build a network). Like most bills of this type, the bill has yet to be made public for debate -- and is intended to be rushed through the legislative process sometime today to avoid pesky public input:

On Wednesday, Senators David Hoyle and Daniel Clodfelter will introduce a bill expected to stall community broadband projects across the state. The bill, which has yet to be seen by the public, should appear in the Revenue Laws Study Committee, co-chaired by Clodfelter. We have heard the bill faces mere minutes of consideration before a quick vote, in hopes of moving it forward before the public finds out what elected officials are doing on their behalf.

What has incumbent broadband providers and their loyal politicians so afraid? A number of fiber to the home municipal developments that have been taking off in the state. Wilson, North Carolina launched a $28 million municipal broadband operation named Greenlight last year, offering symmetrical speeds up to 100Mbps. Other cities like Salisbury began exploring the option too. Both will offer services that far surpass what local incumbents AT&T and Time Warner Cable are willing to offer locals.

Again, people are free to argue the merits of whether a community should get into the broadband business all they'd like -- but if the locals decide they'd like to go that route because incumbents are not providing adequate service -- that should be the local citizen's choice -- not yours, and not Time Warner Cable's. If these markets had more competition (something companies like Time Warner Cable and AT&T fight tooth and nail against at every turn), these communities wouldn't be in this position to begin with.

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gigahurtz
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I'm glad I don't live in North Carolina..

I don't agree with this at all. It's very clear that companies like Time Warner don't want to deal with competition. Quite frankly, a community fiber connection isn't always going to be the best option, even if it's available. Usually, these systems have stipulations attached to them that some do not like. Some also prefer not to be involved with anything "government", particularly for those systems that are run by local municipalities.
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Re: I'm glad I don't live in North Carolina..

Ive often thought that the best way to fight dumb\dirty\greedy politicians is to air their dirty laundry to their voters. List what the bill is, how every politician voted, and what companies were lobbying who, how much, and what position they lobbied for. If a website did that in a simple manner, I think a whole lot less politicians would vote the way they do.

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Re: I'm glad I don't live in North Carolina..

If there was a way to make the voters actually read that information (and mentally process it), I'd be all for that. Unfortunately, you can give a person a sign but you can't make him read.
jokersreveng
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Re: I'm glad I don't live in North Carolina..

Unfortunatly that is so true. I encounter people every day that make you think 'did you not pay attention in high school, let alone kindergarten?'
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Re: I'm glad I don't live in North Carolina..

Book learning is for sodomites,

or, education means giving into "the man".

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said by jokersreveng:

Ive often thought that the best way to fight dumb\dirty\greedy politicians is to air their dirty laundry to their voters. List what the bill is, how every politician voted, and what companies were lobbying who, how much, and what position they lobbied for. If a website did that in a simple manner, I think a whole lot less politicians would vote the way they do.
Follow the money.

»stopthecap.com/2010/04/26/follow···ch-2010/
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In this Moratorium Watch 2010 edition I want to focus on two North Carolina legislators leading the charge to ban or restrict municipal broadband projects — Sen. Daniel Clodfelter (D-Mecklenburg) and Sen. David Hoyle (D-Gaston).

Clodfelter is the co-chair of the Revenue Laws Study Committee. In just 24 months, he took in a total of $16,000 in PAC contributions from big telecom companies and their friends:

* $1500 from North Carolina Cable PAC
* $1000 from Sprint/Nextel
* $1500 from Embarq
* $500 from the NC Association of Broadcasters
* $5500 from Time Warner Cable
* $5000 from AT&T
* $1000 from North Carolina Broadcast PAC

Senator “Obsolete Fiber” Hoyle dwarfed Clodfelter over the past 24 months:

* $3500 from Sprint/Nextel
* $4500 from Embarq
* $8250 from Time Warner Cable
* $4000 from AT&T
* $2000 from Electricities (Drew Saunders is a lobbyist with Electricities and was a primary sponsor on the Level Playing Field bill for big telco a few years back)
* $1500 from North Carolina Broadcast PAC
* $1500 from North Carolina Cable PAC

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I'm moving there in 5 weeks, this isn't the kind of news I want to hear leading up to it! Even though I'll be right outside Winston Salem my broadband choices are very limited, nothing like the 22/5 Docsis 3.0 that I get from Comcast here in Savannah, GA.

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And, exactly, who is "some"?
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Though I sometimes mistrust government and I am not at the point of being "proud" to pay taxes I am also realistic. We ALLL benefit from government services. Fire protection, Police Protection, FAA Air Traffic Control and Regulation, Military Protection, Roads, Schools, Social Services (admittedly sometimes abused and questionable for some people), Universities, Museums, Cultural Programs, EPA, Department of Energy, etc. Though I share many people's distrust of the way government uses money it is simplistic and selfish to assume that one should find ways to pay as little in taxes as possible. The exception is some kinds of businesses that will not make it or turn a profit if they don't take the deductions that are legal and possible within the tax code. However, this modern attitude of "I don't want no government, and I shouldn't pay NO taxes" is a self defeating one for the US, the state of NC, the state of Florida, etc. Spend big time (both parties do it) and lots of lower taxes. Great way to bankrupt a nation. Selfish, impractical, and unrealistic. Rethink how you see this please. It is hurting us all. Less spending with lower taxes is good in some cases yes. I agree with that. Unfortunately, none of the political leaders in either party are interested in that and neither is the "tea party" despite what they say. It would be more extreme version of the same old story.

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Kickback money.

i just wish some evidence of money changing hands between the communication companies and these dirtbag government officials would come to light.
it's blatantly obvious that someone is getting paid to restrict our 'free enterprise' system.
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Re: Kickback money.

Government entering a marketplace is "free enterprise"?

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Re: Kickback money.

sure, why not. it's not like they are going to price the other guys out of the market.
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Re: Kickback money.

said by Harddrive:

it's not like they are going to price the other guys out of the market.
And you know that how?

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Re: Kickback money.

they, the City of Groton Connecticut, sure as hell didn't. they are more expensive than AT&T or Comcast.
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"Free enterprise" doesn't exclude the government from taking part as long as it isn't the only game in town.

Now, if the network is carrier neutral, allowing providers to lease capacity and offer services to anyone, community networks are further enabling free enterprise.
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Re: Kickback money.

said by NetAdmin1:

"Free enterprise" doesn't exclude the government from taking part as long as it isn't the only game in town.
So, I'm "free" to opt-out of government provided services and have my tax-bill adjusted accordingly?

For it to be a free market, I have to be able to say no thanks, I don't want it (@ that price).

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Re: Kickback money.

Sure thing. I can call up my electric company, city co-op, and tell them I don't want electricity from them anymore.
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Re: Kickback money.

And if the electric co-op runs out of money, do they go out of business, or does the city kick in money from the general fund to prop them up?

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Re: Kickback money.

I highly doubt that the 'city owned' co-op will go out of business. The city would probably sell the electric co-op to Connecticut Light & Power.
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Re: Kickback money.

said by Harddrive:

I highly doubt that the 'city owned' co-op will go out of business.
That is pretty much the point I'm trying to make.

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said by kontos:

So, I'm "free" to opt-out of government provided services and have my tax-bill adjusted accordingly?

For it to be a free market, I have to be able to say no thanks, I don't want it (@ that price).
If you don't buy the services of the muni-network, they you don't pay for them.

Now, if they run out of money and they get bailed out by the government... Is that any different than, say, GM or Goldman Sachs getting bailed out? Nope. The private sector has been getting bailouts and tax subsidies since the founding of the country that we all pay for everyday. I don't agree with it, but I'd wager more money has been spent on propping up the private sector than could ever be spent propping up muni-networks.
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Re: Kickback money.

said by NetAdmin1:

said by kontos:

So, I'm "free" to opt-out of government provided services and have my tax-bill adjusted accordingly?

For it to be a free market, I have to be able to say no thanks, I don't want it (@ that price).
If you don't buy the services of the muni-network, they you don't pay for them.
You sure about that? Is the city clerk going to accept payments for them, do they get office space at city hall?
Do they park their equipment in the city garage? When their back-hoe breaks down, can they borrow one from the City? Does Verizon/Comcast/Time Warner et. al. get to do any of that?

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Re: Kickback money.

said by kontos:

You sure about that? Is the city clerk going to accept payments for them, do they get office space at city hall?
Do they park their equipment in the city garage? When their back-hoe breaks down, can they borrow one from the City?
That depends on entirely on how the municipality structures the business. So, the answer is, it depends...
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said by openbox9:

Government entering a marketplace is "free enterprise"?
If the LOCAL community wants fiber and wants to pay for it out of their tax $$ who are YOU a NON-citzen of said community, to object? I'm 100% sure you wouldn't like for me( a person that lives hundreds of miles away in another state) to tell the government of Alexandria, VA how to conduct it's business.

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Re: Kickback money.

i tell you one thing. if my local community wanted to install a fiber or wireless network, i'd be down there offering to volunteer my time.
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So you're attacking me because I questioned Harddrive See Profile's claim of government entering a marketplace as "free enterprise"?
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if i don't want my $$ going in that project and i live in the town i say so.

Just because some people want their $$$$ to pay for it others don't. I don't see why someone's $$ that doesn't use the system has to pay for it. The same as if you don't have any kids why should you pay for the local school system on your property taxes (which i'm glad is illegal in Ohio).
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Re: Kickback money.

Why should your taxes pay for education? Because, its to all our benefit to educate people. Granted the education system is corrupt and inadequate but it is better than none. Short sighted indeed. I can see that government misuses and abuses tax dollars. But education is beyond what is going on in your own backyard. NC is hardly a "forward thinking" state unfortunately but I am glad that everyone's property taxes contribute to funding local schools. To do otherwise would be short sighted and selfish.

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Re: Kickback money.

So since my two children are home-schooled, should I have to pay into the system that I don't use? Oh wait, it was my choice to not use the school system that is nothing more than a baby-sitting service.
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Re: Kickback money.

very true. That is why in Ohio the Courts have ruled taxing people's property illegal and if any levies are passed can and will be thrown out in court if any person does appeal it to the courts.

»www.osba-ohio.org/terms.htm

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Very selfish. I think home schooling is great for those who can do it. Not everyone can or even afford to do it. If everyone stopped paying for schools like you would like then no one would have access to an education. Perhaps you have your nest egg. Some people work very hard and they still would not be able to afford a private school or stay home to home school their children. The public schools are riddled with problems. But your only thinking about yourself and not about the fact that other people in different situations and do have children but cannot afford to have one of the two heads of household stay home all day to home school. It is a good thing but not everyone can do it. Some people work 2 or even 3 jobs. Many times both Parents HAVE to work just to make ends meet and not even then barely be able to make it. And that is not even for people that are extravagant and buying things they don't need. You live in a vacuum and you only look in your own backyard and don't care about what happens to anyone else. It is not unique to yourself. It is however quite common in what has become modern America. Self interest only and nothing else.

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Re: Kickback money.

That's right. I personally don't give a shit about anyone else except my family and friends. I should get a tax credit for home schooling my kids so that the local babysitting service school system can worry about the other 35-40 kids in the class.
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I think the issue is why are questioning what a local government decided to do instead of questioning why our state and federal governments have helped to ensure that internet and cable providers will be a competition free as possible.

If you think the former matters more than the latter, then you've got a warped sense of "capitalism." In fact you wouldn't be a capitalist, you'd be a corporate welfarist.
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just vote them out

It is simple, just vote them out. I do live in NC and right next to Wilson where one of these projects. I will not get the fiber but they should not pass these laws. I will just vote all the ones that are in office out. I will never see past 3 meg a bit in may area due these politicians.
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Re: just vote them out

Easier said than done. Laws that restrict competition (even by local government) are corporate welfare. If TWC really needs this law then it should be called what it is, a welfare queen.

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A bad idea

I have cable broadband in three locations: California (Charter); Pennsylvania (Comcast) and Massachusetts (Comcast). The Comcast service is good and supports 2 way Skype video. The Charter service was also good through mid January.

Something happened during the heavy rains in January that caused frequent dropouts. Charter has replaced wiring in our house and done many checks, but the problem persists. I have thought from the start of the problem that it is the connection at the street (burried in our neighbors front yard).

The town is trying to get fiber to the home infrastructure installed. This will either solve the problem or force Charter to replace the portions of their line which are causing the problem. Fortunately, this is CA not NC.
mworks

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Faison, NC

This kind of stuff is why people are hating government

We all know that cable and telco have a monopoly to the homes. They own the last mile to your home. They used tax credits to put those lines down by promising things they never delivered. If we can ever get the last mile to the home regulated so that anyone who wants to sell service on it can sell service then all this garbage of net neutrality and monopolies goes away. I could then pick whomever I like to be my provider and that is what these companies are afraid of.

Look at how projects like the one in Wilson were done. No taxpayer money was used, no taxes on people that live there were raised. All funding comes from the subscribers so if you did not want the service you don't have to pay anything. They did what the companies were not willing to do .

This is a corporation telling people that live in a city that they have no rights when it comes to the internet. That the corporations can do whatever they please and to prove their point they have the politicians to back them up.
k1ll3rdr4g0n

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Funny feeling recently

So...
Why I get the feeling we are moving more away from a democracy to a not so friendly form of government?

I say fiber or death!

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Re: Funny feeling recently

said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

So...
Why I get the feeling we are moving more away from a democracy to a not so friendly form of government?

I say fiber or death!
Wake up... its not "are moving more away..." that was 10+ yrs ago, sorry to inform you, we've moved away and its pretty much non-reversable.

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MTG Agenda doesn't show any such item

»www.ncleg.net/DocumentSites/comm···enda.pdf
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Sigh

It depresses me that both of these Senators are Democratic. It's no wonder the FCC has no courage in enacting Title II regulation. Apparently not even the party that appointed them has their backs.

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There is another way...

Small cities who want FTTH only need to work with a smaller provider to get it accomplished -- and all thru the private sector. The right small company can bring a lot more knowledge and experience about FTTH deployment as well.

Government ownership of everything is not always the best answer.
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Re: There is another way...

said by joebarnhart:

Small cities who want FTTH only need to work with a smaller provider to get it accomplished -- and all thru the private sector. The right small company can bring a lot more knowledge and experience about FTTH deployment as well.

Government ownership of everything is not always the best answer.
What "smaller provider"? And what do you mean by "work with them"? If the city has to raise money in any way, that would go against the rules of this bill.

You have this strange, completely irrational anti-government bent that goes in the face of reality. It just baffles me how you came to think like this.
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You just described community fiber (what TWC wants to outlaw) because that's almost exactly what happens most of the time. Don't you get that the big incumbents are trying to prevent the small companies like you describe from doing business.
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this is why so many cities are trying to wow Google, because no laws in existence can prevent google from laying fiber. and id bet the city could be an ISP on said Googlenet and not break the law because it would be a private company that paid for the network.
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Another NC resident

I live in Greensboro and I can tell you that Slime Warner is not very good here. I have AT&T which is reliable but they still have not started deploying U-Verse in this city (3rd largest in NC). As slow as Slime Warner and AT&T are to change it will be years if ever before Slime Warner offers Docsis 3.0 or AT&T offers U-Verse. Well, I suppose that is all well and good if you have another choice. Unfortunately, I don't really have another choice other than Clear and Clear has its own problems. My neighbors have it and it is quite an unimpressive service. The upstream channel with Clear is not even up to dialup standard and it seemed like the whole system was overtaxed with ridiculously high latency and ping times. Even then Slime Warner and AT&T in particular charge a lot of money for any kind of reasonable speeds. $20 for 768K is a joke. Around $50/mo for 6mpbs or 10Mbps service is ridiculous. As a nation we are WAY Behind the times when it comes to internet services.
I am quite sure that people in Sweden, Japan, and South Korea would laugh us off for the slow, expensive internet service that we have. Things they left behind years ago.

Ultimately, why not let towns and cities build their own networks. I am for the idea of allowing ISP's to offer their internet services over the publically owned infrastructure. It is time that I write my local state representative again. I wrote last year and I will do it again. This "moratorium" is unacceptable and the money changing politicians in Raleigh need to know that. Unacceptable.
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Why don't these companies provide consistent speeds?

I've got a friend who lives in Greensboro, NC, and he has a time Warner residential and a Time Warner cable business line. On the business side he has I believe it's 5mbps/1.5mbps and he pays more for that than I did when I had business 15/2 here in CA. On the residential side, he's got a blazing fast 7mbps/384kbps! What kind of a joke of speed is that, especially the upload being just 384kbps? Why exactly aren't companies like TWC, offering the same speeds available nation wide to all their customers. It's the exact same technology being used, so why are they unwilling to offer 15/2 speeds to residential customers or even 10/1 speeds for standard tier, as they do here in Socal and other markets? Why be so eager to ban communities from building their own networks when the TWC's of the area can't even provide speeds that they themselves offer elsewhere in the country? Seems crazy to me. The cable companies advertise and brag about their powerboost, which is a total joke, when they could just offer 25-30mbps downstream on the top tier with the same technology they've got now, yet many companies such as time warner cable won't do it? And the reason behind that is? I use to hate Charter for offering slow speeds but I think nowadays that honor would have to go to TWC. Really sad I say
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Most lawmakers do not read the bills that they are promoting. They read the name and the amount of the payoff on the check for the campaign contribution. They really do not care what the bill promotes.
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Surprise, surprise...

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Lobbyists

The ruination of the United States of America.

Federal, State, or Local, they massage the Politicians and the people take the shafting.

Free speech my ass.

GRRR!!
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Mixed Emotions

I have mixed emotions about this. My understanding is that they are trying to keep municipalities from building and operating communications systems. I have to wonder if a lot of that reasoning isn't just trying to save the cities from themselves. There is a very short list of municipalities that have made successful FTTP projects. Even if they start off well, they always get sucked into the quagmire of local politics and if they happen to start producing profit the expected profit is spent before it even hits the bank. Then when they can't meet expectations they raise rates and the death spiral begins. Just look at Utopia.

I don't know what the solution is. My favorite solution would be to make Internet Service a national requirement like telephone service and to stick with a minimum speed and quality restriction. Forget about doing it with grants...Make it simple. For every qualifying Internet sub you have you can reduce a certain amount of your tax burden, whether it be local, state, or fed.

I would make the speed qualification a speed that only a DOCSIS 3.0 or FTTP connection could attain, but that's just me.

But what do I know?

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North Carolina - home of MANY colleges

Wonder how all the High Technology colleges in the State will respond to this information ?

Especially the Triangle
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Remember that saying?

"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you" yeah.... that's not always the case.

You can have a standard, but if no body lives up to it, except certain small portions, but the majority is corrupted... Where you going to get?

No where good, that's for sure.

Anyways, @Article.

I think that's a BS move... but what can anybody do? The Local as well as Federal Government is played by lobbyist like a well tuned instrument. (AT least this seems to be the case from all that I have read)
SlyLoK

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Every politician..

Is corrupt..

I dont see how anyone could even entertain the idea of a company trying to outlaw a community for looking out for themselves. That would be like the water company trying to tell me I cant have my own well even when I dont receive water from them.

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     "I don't want him, and you can't have him either!"

     Every politician that goes along with this deserved to be impeached or at least voted out of office.  While I've never been to North Carolina, I'm going to make an educated guess.  I'm pretty sure that this bill doesn't represent the interests of their constituents.

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