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| Hold Government Accountable What is wrong with the local government in these places where this situation occurred? Do they not want their citizens to have access to the latest and greatest technology? Is the local government so busy that it cannot immediately convene a council session to grant to Verizon the franchise authority it needs to offer service?
Citizens should not have to be inconvenienced because of another government screw-up.
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| Re: Hold Government Accountable said by majortom1029 :Great neck stated it takes months to get verizon to actually respond back to the town . So dont blame great neck. verizon should learn to actually talk to the towns in a speedy manner. As if the town is going to admit it made a mistake. Verizon, if it is smart, isn't going to spend the kind of money needed to wire up a place unless it knew it would be able to do business there.
There's definitely more to this story. In the meantime, this is yet another example of government holding us back technologically. The FIOS is there, the government should get off its butt and grant the franchise so we can move ahead.
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| Re: Hold Government Accountable said by pnh102 :said by majortom1029 :Great neck stated it takes months to get verizon to actually respond back to the town . So dont blame great neck. verizon should learn to actually talk to the towns in a speedy manner. As if the town is going to admit it made a mistake. Verizon, if it is smart, isn't going to spend the kind of money needed to wire up a place unless it knew it would be able to do business there. There's definitely more to this story. In the meantime, this is yet another example of government holding us back technologically. The FIOS is there, the government should get off its butt and grant the franchise so we can move ahead. And who is to say that Great Neck isn't telling the truth. Here you are saying that it is the govt's fault without KNOWING THE WHOLE STORY. Talking about the pot calling the kettle black. Maybe you should find out the whole story BEFORE accusing govt. of being wrong.
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| Re: Hold Government Accountable said by ropeguru :And who is to say that Great Neck isn't telling the truth. Here you are saying that it is the govt's fault without KNOWING THE WHOLE STORY. It's government. It should always be presumed that it does the wrong thing, as it did here, until proven otherwise.
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| Re: Hold Government Accountable said by pnh102 :said by ropeguru :And who is to say that Great Neck isn't telling the truth. Here you are saying that it is the govt's fault without KNOWING THE WHOLE STORY. It's government. It should always be presumed that it does the wrong thing, as it did here, until proven otherwise. That is pure bullsh!t!! No wonder this country is the way it is. I don't trust govt either. But I also don't trust big mega monopolies either.
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| Re: Hold Government Accountable said by ropeguru :That is pure bullsh!t!! No wonder this country is the way it is. Why? Verizon delivered the FIOS. The local government sat, did nothing, and when it came to the realization that it had made a mistake, instead of doing the right thing, it chose to prevent its citizens from having the latest and greatest technology.
How many threads on this website do we see every week telling how "sucky" US broadband is? Verizon is one of the few companies that is actually doing something to counter this, and yet the government holds it back. Whose fault is that?
said by ropeguru : I don't trust govt either. But I also don't trust big mega monopolies either. Verizon is no monopoly. Their Internet service competes directly with cable. Their TV offerings compete directly with cable and satellite. Their phone offerings compete directly with VOIP and cellular service.
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| Re: Hold Government Accountable said by pnh102 :Verizon delivered the FIOS. The local government sat, did nothing, and when it came to the realization that it had made a mistake, Verizon did nothing to get the franchise agreement before deploying. It's their screw up. Then when Verizon discovered their own mistake, they forcibly removed service.
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| Re: Hold Government Accountable said by KrK :Verizon did nothing to get the franchise agreement before deploying. It's their screw up. Then when Verizon discovered their own mistake, they forcibly removed service. Again, there has to be more to this story. I don't believe for a second that Verizon, which is accountable to its shareholders for every penny it spends, is going to deploy very costly FIOS service to places where it cannot even legally sell it.
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| Re: Hold Government Accountable said by pnh102 :said by KrK :Verizon did nothing to get the franchise agreement before deploying. It's their screw up. Then when Verizon discovered their own mistake, they forcibly removed service. Again, there has to be more to this story. I don't believe for a second that Verizon, which is accountable to its shareholders for every penny it spends, is going to deploy very costly FIOS service to places where it cannot even legally sell it. FiOS is not only TV. | |
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| said by pnh102 :As if the town is going to admit it made a mistake. Verizon, if it is smart, isn't going to spend the kind of money needed to wire up a place unless it knew it would be able to do business there. There's definitely more to this story. In the meantime, this is yet another example of government holding us back technologically. The FIOS is there, the government should get off its butt and grant the franchise so we can move ahead. It's easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission.  | |
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1 edit | said by majortom1029 :Did you even read the article? Great neck stated it takes months to get verizon to actually respond back to the town . So dont blame great neck. verizon should learn to actually talk to the towns in a speedy manner. It is possible it is taking months for Verizon to respond because it is taking that long for them to stop laughing at the latest demands. Granted both sides are full of it but having seen what some governments demand I can understand to an extent what Verizon may be having to deal with. Probably free TV studios and equipment for their public access broadcasts for each of the 15 villages, plus various kickbacks and other fees for the right to carry service. The towns were much more responsive but these little fiefdoms tend to be a repository for the most stubborn beaurocrats on the planet. If you want to really have a head banging experience, try getting a permit to do anything in the Long Island village of Munsey Park (which is probably included in this commission). | |
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| said by majortom1029 :Did you even read the article? Great neck stated it takes months to get verizon to actually respond back to the town . So dont blame great neck. verizon should learn to actually talk to the towns in a speedy manner. Knowing some people in high levels in one of the communities, the Commission is full of crap and some of the villages are pissed with them. So much so that Thomaston has withdrawn from the Commission and is going alone with getting an agreement with Verizon. Anything you hear from the lawyer for the Commission is bunk! It took the Commission 2 years to hold a hearing after the first hearing was held, FYI! So please don't tell me or anyone else that Verizon doesn't respond back to the Commission in a speedy manner. | |
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join:2006-08-26
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| wow, someone who believe what a politician says, how fricking quaint.
He's how it's working in our area as to Verizon's negotiating style. Verizon moves very quickly to get an agreement usually by using a nearby agreement already in place as a starting point. They'll negotiate a little but if the franchising authority tries to gouge them they just walk away and stop responding... knowing of course that the authority is about to get clobbered by the consumers they "represent."
One the FAs representing a group of municipalities that was amongst the first to have FIOS deployed thought it would be cute after having worked out an agreement in principle to see how much more they could squeeze out of Verizon. They'll be one of the last to be getting FIOS TV.
Bet if you check the details someone in Great Neck tried the same stunt. | |
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| said by pnh102 :What is wrong with the local government in these places where this situation occurred? Do they not want their citizens to have access to the latest and greatest technology? Is the local government so busy that it cannot immediately convene a council session to grant to Verizon the franchise authority it needs to offer service? Citizens should not have to be inconvenienced because of another government screw-up. Except that they (local government) may have other oblicagations under existing franchises agreements. (certainly, all potential franchise agreement applications must recieve equal weight)
The local Gov loses it's authority/bargaining position, if it allows any unliecensed incurrsion to continue.
Still 2 years is too long, give Verizon the terms and a deadline, let them sign it or reapply later (perhaps with new fees/conditions possible) | |
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| Re: Hold Government Accountable said by tshirt : The local Gov loses it's authority/bargaining position, if it allows any unliecensed incurrsion to continue. Still 2 years is too long, give Verizon the terms and a deadline, let them sign it or reapply later (perhaps with new fees/conditions possible) If/when the new FCC rules go into effect, there will be a 90 day shot clock. That would sort things out. | |
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| said by pnh102 :What is wrong with the local government in these places where this situation occurred? If you note the article, they asked local government, who basically responded "It's Verizon's fault, they take months to respond."
Which sounds about right. And of course they can use the Government as their whipping post, when it's really their own bureaucracy that's to blame.
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| Re: Hold Government Accountable said by KrK :Which sounds about right. And of course they can use the Government as their whipping post, when it's really their own bureaucracy that's to blame. I'd agree except for the fact that in this case, Verizon delivered. The fact that these customers cannot now use the FIOS service that Verizon deployed is the government's fault.
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| Re: Hold Government Accountable said by pnh102 :said by KrK :Which sounds about right. And of course they can use the Government as their whipping post, when it's really their own bureaucracy that's to blame. I'd agree except for the fact that in this case, Verizon delivered. The fact that these customers cannot now use the FIOS service that Verizon deployed is the government's fault. But you don't see the other side. They delivered without permission of the local govt. No matter who is wrong here, they will use it against the govt to make their push for to get what they want. Either way it is a lose lose for the consumer.
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| said by pnh102 :said by KrK :Which sounds about right. And of course they can use the Government as their whipping post, when it's really their own bureaucracy that's to blame. I'd agree except for the fact that in this case, Verizon delivered. The fact that these customers cannot now use the FIOS service that Verizon deployed is the government's fault. Only for the TV Feed. Verizon did not need the Government's permission for the Internet or Phone feed. Why are they pulling the boxes out when all they need to do is shut down the feed (or just the TV feed) until the Government issues the Franchise? Also, if they cut the copper how are they going to restore the Phone Service to these 30 homes? | |
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| said by pnh102 :I'd agree except for the fact that in this case, Verizon delivered. The fact that these customers cannot now use the FIOS service that Verizon deployed is the government's fault. If you build a building without getting permits, and the Government makes you remove it, you could argue the service was removed because of the Government.
... But then again, it would be just as easy to say it's your own fault for failing to get a permit.
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| What do you think is holding up the deployment of FiOS TV in most areas that already have FiOS? Its the friggin franchise agreements, local and state laws... politicians, lawyers, miscellaneous other scumbags and many, many hands that need greasing and appeasement. I've had FiOS internet for over two years now but I cannot get TV because of the above mentioned items. I want to drop Cablevision SOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad, but I don't want to bother with satellite knowing that I already have FiOS coming... but when?
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| said by pnh102 :What is wrong with the local government in these places where this situation occurred? Do they not want their citizens to have access to the latest and greatest technology? Is the local government so busy that it cannot immediately convene a council session to grant to Verizon the franchise authority it needs to offer service? Citizens should not have to be inconvenienced because of another government screw-up. The only care the government has with regards to the latest and greatest technology is how much money will be lining their pockets out of this deal. They could care less about John Q Public and our desires. | |
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join:2004-06-25
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| Re: Hold Government Accountable The application process is plain and simple for most every town. In ours VZ were simply offered the same deal as RCN and Comcast - contribute 5% (which they pass on to subscribers anyhow) to PEG.
But Verizon dont want to do that now, they want to sell their own "community channels" instead (larded with their advertising) | |
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| they should keep the service full up and running, its in and thats that. people are now paying for it and the town really shouldnt be able to say turn it off. i know id certainly being down at town hall demanding my FiOS TV back since the government goons made em shut it off.
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| they should have refused to turn it off, really political bullshitting shouldnt prevent the consumer from getting a competing service. in this case imo the consumer is more important then the franchise laws.
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rw266
join:2001-05-16
Hopatcong, NJ
| Re: Hold Government Accountable You hit the nail on the head, these local politicians are some real greedy bastages,they don't give a crap about providing the best service they just extort the largest kickbacks and wait for the cash to come under the table.Cablevision has deep pockets and we end up paying for it anyway with CV's exorbitant bills.
Local programing & must carry stations they are a complete waste of bandwidth does anybody really watch any of that crap ?, 6 month old high school football games where they have purple faces because the moron's working the camera can't even do a white balance check, and there's often no audio, it's like watching a home movie on acid and as exciting as watching paint dry.
We used to get long island's pbs station WLIW which had some great programs now we get some bumfunk NJ news channel which is truly dreadful and only slightly better technical quality than the local school, religious-nut-jobs and my favorite the VFW's boring geezer hour.
Screw the franchise agreements, lower my bill for all these garbage channels,close the local access studios they are a waste of equipment and money, most schools have there own Audio/video departments anyway so the kids can still learn there instead of polluting our living rooms with this tripe. | |
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That'd be a story... I'd also be asking if I could simply keep the darn internet service too, I mean, do they really need all those "agreements" for the internet part??? Couldn't they just turn off the TV part and leave the voice/data alone? | |
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I didn't think so.
How is Fios any different? Why don't they market it as a satellite service and require a tuner on every TV?
It's something new entirely. It's not copper lines, it's fiber. I think that sucks that they can send all the signals down the street but not allow anyone to tap into it because of some stupid local franchise authority. Why do they need a say in it anyway? | |
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"Maybe Verizon was a little overzealousness in selling the service."
Overzealous? How about Verizon was passed out and comatose from waiting two years to get approval from the cronies who are undoubtedly running that local commission.
The lawyer also claimed that it's verizons fault because they don't get back to them. Sure, yea..right..I believe that. NOT.
Verizon has everything to gain by having this process move ahead as quickly as possible.
Could it be that they didn't get back to the commission in a timely manner because the commissions demands were so far out of whack and self serving that Verizon had no way to reasonably respond to them?
While I'm certainly of the belief that this service IS a tv service..and hence..needs to be properly licensed just like the cable co's...AND, that reasonably safeguards should be in place to insure it's all done right and with the communities interest in mind as well..this is a PERFECT example of how bad the current system is..and why statewide reform is sorely needed everywhere.
I think anyone with a brain knows that these local crony filled commissions use these things to extract whatever they can out of a company. And, they get away with it because if you don't play their game..you won't be doing business in those towns. Period.
While frankly, I could care less if the process takes AT&T and their pewverse (tm) service the next 300 years to complete..Verizon is a company that has stepped up to the plate and committed MEGA bucks to really delivering a next generation technology.
They should NOT have their hands unreasonably tied...and TWO YEARS and still no approval..and then total and utter BS statements like that coming from the Attorney is just way out of line.
GET FIOS APPROVED. 2 years..Is LONG enough.
Your residents deserve the world class competition and state of the art technology it offers and don't want to be subjected to your self serving political Bullsh**!!!
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| FiOS Franchises in LI CV, the incumbent, almost certainly has "level playing field" language which makes the negotiation of any new contracts very challenging, since the town has to ensure that whatever it negotiates with the new entrant is consistent with what is in place already (or retains the same protections/obligations in both agreements). The North Shore Consortium makes this particularly challenging, because of the PEG situation and related requirements there.
The distinctions about copper vs fiber are not relevant - the issue is data service vs. video service. CV does not have any franchise for on OOL/OV - the use of the ROW is covered by the cable franchise. They only pay fees on the portion of the bill related to video. This is why they can run those ads about the ability to predict the phone bill - there are no surcharges.
Satellite TV is, as stated above, not part of any of this discussion, since it does not use the public ROW. However, the LPF language used by CV contemplates a time when satellite companies would be required to get franchises, and considers them competitors for which LPF would be required if that comes to pass. It has nothing to do with a STB being attached. | |
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Traverse City, MI | FiOS Snafu i wonder if Verizon is required to reinstall the copper wiring??? | |
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join:2006-04-24
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Re: FiOS Snafu I thought they kept the copper to the house... only thing is that it's disconnected.
Also, this must be a HUGE kick in the nuts to the customers.
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join:2005-03-19
Copiague, NY
| Generally, Verizon completely removes the copper drop from a home that has FIOS fiber installed. They did that in my home. Verizon is not required to "share" it's fiber plant with third party companies, an issue that effected the copper plant. I currently have FIOS service but no TV since my town, Babylon, NY has dragged the issue on and on. Probably mostly about the PEG deal. It's such a joke since the 5 people who would watch the local public access channel....Oh wait..that could be 5 extra votes! The local pols in Babylon stink, like most of them. To all of you who are still waiting, make sure you remember this and pay them back in November! | |
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Glen Head, NY | It's NEWSDAY not NEWSWEEK! Newsday is the Long Island newspaper that reported this.
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Floral Park, NY | Nah, Nah, Nah- Nah Nah, Nah-Nah... Gremlins trampling through Verizon's systems:
billing, press releases, cable-box guide data system, installation fires, number/address verification systems, email....
Making progress every-day redifined.
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Pompton Plains, NJ | Gotta pay attention Can't believe VZ would do that. | |
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Mays Landing, NJ | Re: Gotta pay attention i know someone got fired somewhere in verizon..... | |
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| Franchise Agreements Here in NJ, cable companies have to negotiate franchise agreements or renewals every 10 years. In order to secure those agreements, the cable companies provide local origination channel space, tv production equipment, municipal 'return' fiber and/or coax, school wiring and service, municipal system maintenance and training. That provides community access and locally-produced programming, along with training and real-world experience for High School students who may want to go into the Broadcasting or Engineering fields.
All this comes from franchise agreements. Cable companies work with the towns for the self-interest of both.
Verizon wangled a 'State-wide franchise agreememt' in NJ. What does that require Verizon to do in dealing with individual towns?
You guessed it - not a thing.
I hope the communities on LI hold Verizon's feet to the fire and force them to contribute to the communities they serve. Fair is fair. | |
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join:2005-03-19
Copiague, NY
| Re: Franchise Agreements Actually, except for the town of Babylon, Verizon has come to terms with most of the towns and villages on the island. Many of the town leaders saw it as a "plus" since they took the position that allowing FIOS in would give residents a choice. So, basically in most towns it's Cablevision, Verizon FIOS or the dish. Most of the towns bargained for the PEG agreements to play the game. As I said before the public access channels should garner about 20 viewers at any given time. A total waste in my opinion. But, if that's what it takes, so be it. | |
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