 RayW
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| Bribes? The people want the local government to get involved and build a network for the people, the industry bribes the upper levels of government to prevent it, and all the money gets spent on lawyers and legislature critters with the peons getting less than what they had before - no net and wasted tax money fighting industry and higher cables fees for fighting the people.
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major marco
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1 edit | Lies and Spin As Usual It's simply ::AMAZING:: the mental gymnastics and disingenuousness the OECD engages in. Market Clarity exposes the OECD for the fraudulent bullshit it spins, and, every time the OECD responds by telling everyone that the moisture they feel drizzling down onto their shoes isn't piss, but rain. OECD and the diaRIAA should get together and form their own spin company. Not only would they have a fair shot at selling ice to Eskimos, but, they'd also hoodwink 2/3rds of the American aristocracy, er, I mean Congressional representatives into believing the lies.
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marigolds
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| Market Clarity covering up? Anyone else notice that market clarity has posted a new report where they have deleted Turkey and New Zealand?
The old report showed Turkey (62.8%) and New Zealand (76.9%) with the highest residential broadband penetration and South Korea with penetration of 38.7%.
Now strangely South Korea has been switched to 76.9%, Luxemborg to 62.8%, and the numbers deleted completely for Turkey and New Zealand. Australia is now listed at 38.7% instead of South Korea.
Covering up mistakes now that the OECD pointed them out?
»www.itwire.com.au/content/view/1···127/1/2/
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pnh102
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| Re: Market Clarity covering up? Does anyone have a list of countries ranked by how much they fund the OECD? Maybe that might provide some insight into their numbering scheme 
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PolarBear
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| Conclusions
explaining precisely how they reach their conclusions
Here's MY conclusion: only 10% of my 5,268sq.mi. county can get broadband. But I am sure they know this and still don't give a damn.
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| | NormanS
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| Re: Conclusions The population density of Okanogan County, Washington is about 4x the population density of Modoc County, California; about 0.3% of the population density of Santa Clara County, California; which encompasses the "Silicon Valley".
Broadband penetration, here, probably isn't much over 50%.
It takes the same amount of copper/fiber, at the same cost to install and maintain, whether covering all 1,291 square miles of Santa Clara county, or covering a 1,291 square mile subset of the 5,315 square miles in Okanogan county.
Qwest has to divide that cost amongst 39,564 people, AT&T gets to divide that cost amongst 1,682,585 people.
Of course, if we could get the U.S. Government to levy a tax on every U.S. citizen, we could force the lower income residents of Santa Clara County, California to subsidize the higher income residents of Okanogan County, Washington, and get you your broadband coverage.
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| | | RayW
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| Re: Conclusions said by NormanS  :Of course, if we could get the U.S. Government to levy a tax on every U.S. citizen, we could force the lower income residents of Santa Clara County, California to subsidize the higher income residents of Okanogan County, Washington, and get you your broadband coverage. You were doing ok until you hit the corporate party line statement. I HOPE you were trying to be sarcastic.
Okanogan County : The median income for a household in the county was $29,726, and the median income for a family was $35,012.
Santa Clara County : The median income for a household in the county was $74,335, and the median income for a family was $81,717.
NOTE: these figures are from Wikipedia (always to be taken with a grain of saltsalt shaker) and do not factor in such items as quality of life and the supply and demand affects on cost of living.
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| | | | NormanS
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| Re: Conclusions said by RayW :You were doing ok until you hit the corporate party line statement. I HOPE you were trying to be sarcastic. Okanogan County : The median income for a household in the county was $29,726, and the median income for a family was $35,012. Santa Clara County : The median income for a household in the county was $74,335, and the median income for a family was $81,717. NOTE: these figures are from Wikipedia (always to be taken with a grain of saltsalt shaker) and do not factor in such items as quality of life and the supply and demand affects on cost of living. How many people earning $29,726 per year in Okanogan County can buy a house? You can't afford an outhouse on that income in Santa Clara County; and there are people earning that little, here.
Santa Clara County median home price rises to record: $803,000.
»factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SA···direct=Y
According to which site, median price of housing is just over 10% of the median price in Santa Clara County.
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| | | | | RayW
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| Re: Conclusions said by NormanS :said by RayW :You were doing ok until you hit the corporate party line statement. I HOPE you were trying to be sarcastic. Okanogan County : The median income for a household in the county was $29,726, and the median income for a family was $35,012. Santa Clara County : The median income for a household in the county was $74,335, and the median income for a family was $81,717. NOTE: these figures are from Wikipedia (always to be taken with a grain of saltsalt shaker) and do not factor in such items as quality of life and the supply and demand affects on cost of living. How many people earning $29,726 per year in Okanogan County can buy a house? You can't afford an outhouse on that income in Santa Clara County; and there are people earning that little, here. Santa Clara County median home price rises to record: $803,000. » factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SA···direct=YAccording to which site, median price of housing is just over 10% of the median price in Santa Clara County. I did qualify my 'facts' with the caveat. However, when I was living in Santa Clara, a shack by the tracks was over 300K (I was pricing houses to get out of the apartment), and a nice garden townhome apartment - two bedroom, two bath, pool, was about $850/month. Up in Chico, I had been paying about $180 for about the same size apartment but without a pool. A bit of a sticker shock at the time. In one place you have way too many people and not enough resources, the other place you have not enough people to justify resources.
Considering what I remember of Santa Clara (lived there for 4 years) I would agree with you that income and material possessions aside, Santa Clara county is a poorer place than Okanogan County to live, although there are many folks in the Santa Clara area that would disagree with me since many folks look only at wealth and possessions.
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| said by NormanS :Of course, if we could get the U.S. Government to levy a tax on every U.S. citizen, we could force the lower income residents of Santa Clara County, California to subsidize the higher income residents of Okanogan County, Washington, and get you your broadband coverage. If you believe Bruce Kushnick and www.teletruth.org this has already happened and the telcos already collected the money to the tune of $1000 per household. Rather than build it though they pumped the $ into lobbying and secured their monopoly and entered vertical markets.
I also think that this is the direct reason why we are so far behind other countries in terms of broadband deployment. But I don't spend time in other countries so I have no way of knowing if these statistics are accurate. But the argument that the person posed in that document is awful.
There's wifi hot spots at starbucks therefore everyone has internet access! Give me a break. | |
| | | | NormanS
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| Re: Conclusions said by T1 Rocky :If you believe Bruce Kushnick and www.teletruth.org this has already happened and the telcos already collected the money to the tune of $1000 per household. Rather than build it though they pumped the $ into lobbying and secured their monopoly and entered vertical markets. I have never seen a tax on the broadband portion of the phone bill. FCC regulations require that broadband and telco operations be treated as separate entities. That is why Verizon has a "VOL" (Verizon On-Line), which isn't part of the telephone business; and AT&T has "ASI". Qwest is similarly divided.
I also think that this is the direct reason why we are so far behind other countries in terms of broadband deployment. But I don't spend time in other countries so I have no way of knowing if these statistics are accurate. But the argument that the person posed in that document is awful.
In most other countries Telecommunications is either run by the government, or heavily subsidized by the government. And one source (which I have lost the link to) states that 80% of the population of Japan "suffers" 1536kb/s DSL. By customer preference.
There's wifi hot spots at starbucks therefore everyone has internet access! Give me a break.
Every third Saturday of every month I attend a meeting of the CA West anime club, which meets on the lower level of the Campbell Public Library. I have to pass their computer stations; those are always busy.
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PolarBear
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| said by NormanS :Qwest has to divide that cost amongst 39,564 people, AT&T gets to divide that cost amongst 1,682,585 people. I acquiesce; you have a damn good point.said by NormanS :Of course, if we could get the U.S. Government to levy a tax on every U.S. citizen, we could force the lower income residents of Santa Clara County, California to subsidize the higher income residents of Okanogan County, Washington, and get you your broadband coverage. I think you accidentally misworded that, but I think I know what you meant. Isn't that what the USF is really for? Assuming the USF worked as intended, shouldn't those 1,682,585 in Santa Clara county be taxed to help pay for deployment for the 39,564 in Okanogan?
It seems as though a major reason we have such minor rural broadband deployment is due to USF funds lining corporate pockets, rather than building me an RT.
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