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Obama to Announce 'Cosmetic' NSA Reforms Friday
by Karl Bode 02:20PM Thursday Jan 16 2014
While the government's NSA reform panel advised more sweeping changes than many people expected in light of the Snowden leaks, there was nothing requiring that the government implement any of them. Indeed, leaks now suggest that the Obama Administration is preparing to announce a few reforms on Friday that are largely cosmetic in nature, and a far cry from the panel's 46 recommendations.

The NY Times suggests the Obama administration is playing it politically safe, worried about further offending the military/intelligence community (and by obvious proxy the vast industries that profit off of them):
quote:
The emerging approach, described by current and former government officials who insisted on anonymity in advance of Mr. Obama’s widely anticipated speech, suggested a president trying to straddle a difficult line in hopes of placating foreign leaders and advocates of civil liberties without a backlash from national security agencies. The result seems to be a speech that leaves in place many current programs, but embraces the spirit of reform and keeps the door open to changes later.
As Mike Masnick at Techdirt notes, the "spirit of reform" is not the same thing as real reform. Indeed, the Times notes that this new reform effort "largely codifies existing practices" before the government even considers the input of some of its own advisory panels.

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battleop

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Accurate...

That's one of the most accurate headlines I've seen in some time. He can say anything he wants and there will be no one who can prove or disprove what he says on this.
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KrK
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Who didn't see THIS coming. Reform that isn't.

I'd have been really shocked if the President actually tried to reign in the abuse.

This action rubber stamps most of it. Exactly the result I expected..... but had hoped wouldn't occur. Certainly on this issue it appears there is neither hope nor change.

We all will pay for this in the end.
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The only question that still needs to be answered

Did Obama *actually* believe the things that he campaigned on so long ago? Did he fall from grace, or was it always just talk?

For example: »news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9845595-7.html (2008)

I have to wonder.
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KrK
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Re: The only question that still needs to be answered

That speech was a lie, I feel. It was a last minute flip of position. If you go back and look at his other statements and records as a Senator he always says he feels it's necessary to protect America. He voted as a Senator for immunity, for example. Then, on eve of the election he suddenly flip flops and gives that statement. Which he immediately and completely ignored and backed away from back to his original position.
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Crookshanks

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The New York Times had a decent article on this today.

In short, things look a little bit different when you're the one who is actually responsible for the safety and well being of 300,000,000 people. It's easier to shout from the sidelines of the US Senate (or DSL Reports).

quote:
Like other presidents before him, the idealistic candidate skeptical of government power found that the tricky trade-offs of national security issues look different to the person charged with using that power to ensure public safety.

NormanS
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Re: The only question that still needs to be answered

said by Crookshanks:

In short, things look a little bit different when you're the one who is actually responsible for the safety and well being of 300,000,000 people.

I see. Liberty means I am free to choose; but I might make the wrong choice, so, for my safety, I must not be allowed choice (liberty).
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Crookshanks

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Re: The only question that still needs to be answered

We're talking about the NSA, not the Affordable Care Act.

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Re: The only question that still needs to be answered

said by Crookshanks:

We're talking about the NSA, not the Affordable Care Act.

We are talking about a government agency trashing the U.S. Constitution for the sake of safety and comfort.
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Crookshanks

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Re: The only question that still needs to be answered

Many people do not deem metadata collection to be "trashing" the Constitution.

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Re: The only question that still needs to be answered

said by Crookshanks:

Many people do not deem metadata collection to be "trashing" the Constitution.

And equally many do.
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Crookshanks

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Re: The only question that still needs to be answered

Good for them.

Their arguments might be more persuasive if they actually understood the process that determines the scope of our rights, the manner in which they're applied, and the limited instances in which the Government is able to act contrary to them because of a compelling state interest. They would also be more persuasive if they left out the FUD and anti-Government paranoia.

I'm not holding my breath on any of those things happening. I've tried to have dialogues around here about the evolution of Constitutional law over the years, and with a few exceptions they've been a complete waste of my time. I could spell out a bunch of case law, SCOTUS rulings, changes to FISA over the years, and all that, only to get "It's the Constitution man!" back in response.

Not wasting my time anymore. Keep tilting at windmills. When Barack Hussein Obama doesn't agree with you you've got bigger problems than winning me over.

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Re: The only question that still needs to be answered

I spent 26 years in military service. For what? Defense of a government that has to spy on its own? Fucking waste of my life!
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Crookshanks

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Re: The only question that still needs to be answered

Thank you for your service.
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Placating the military and intelligence agencies???

Why the hell should they even need placating? They're supposed to answer to the government and ultimately the voters.

What's he worried about, a military coup?

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Re: Placating the military and intelligence agencies???

Just like the politicians. :/
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lies

Obama lied about the first set of reforms that were 'supposed to happen.
You will never know if the reforms happen, because all of this happens without oversight, without checks and balances. The public would be none the wiser without a whistleblower...

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Re: lies

During his campaign crap he kept saying this will be the most transparent administration in history...yeah right! Reform this!!! More hot air from from a typical POCKETician!!

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Hardware, software, the people who make it, fix it, sell it, design it, retire on it... they are all complicit in this and they enable it, real people, probably people who post within this little space of the internet.

Money is more important than people to those running this country and this is most definitely about the money.
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IanR

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If you like your NSA coverage you can keep it

And if you don't like your NSA coverage you will get to keep it anyway.

"CHANGE" YOU CAN (or may) BELIEVE IN (if you are so inclined)...

"CHANGE" YOU CAN (or may) BELIEVE IN (if you are so inclined)...

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'Cosmetic' is what he does best.

'Cosmetic' is what he does best.

He'll give another speech and consider it settled. Because he said so.
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fuck obama

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Re: .

Tell us how you really feel..

/ sarcasm

CurGeorge8

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How I anticipate Obama's NSA reforms...


NSA reform