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Connected Nation poised to nab $350 million in taxpayer dollars
12:03PM Tuesday Jul 07 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: legal · coverage · business · bandwidth · Op/Ed · Politics
Last year, consumer advocacy group Public Knowledge penned a piece that was by and large ignored by the Steve Jobs-obsessed technology media. In it, Art Brodksy exposed broadband mapping group Connected Nation as little more than a policy front group for AT&T and Verizon. The group was created, Brodsky notes, to gloss over the nation's deployment shortcomings, derail better State-level mapping projects, and lobby lawmakers for major carriers under the pretense of science. Nobody cared.

Now Connected Nation is poised to grab roughly $350 million in taxpayer dollars in what Brodsky suggests may be one of the most elaborate telecom lobbyist con jobs ever conceived. A broadband mapping organization tasked with actually inhibiting accurate mapping would certainly be a diabolical form of genius, going well beyond traditional telecom lobbyist ruses like fake consumer advocacy groups. Brodsky this week issued one last warning that we're making an irreversible mistake by putting Connected Nation at the root of the nation's new broadband policy:
AT&T, by the way, is the prime mover behind Connected Nation. The cautionary tale is that the company will stop at nothing in order to foist its version of broadband reality on the public, including destroying e-NC. And there is little that policymakers can do about it, thanks to the Broadband Data Improvement Act, taken from legislation sponsored by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) that Congress passed last year. The bill sets up awards to go to the group most wired into state governments – Connected Nation, backed by the army of telephone and cable lobbyists around the country.
Despite a board of directors that reads like a who's who of top incumbent lobbying and policy executives, Connected Nation continues to deny Brodsky's charges that they're a plaything for mega-carriers. Connected Nation boss Brian Mefford (who we'll be talking to in detail in coming weeks) insists the company takes virtually no money directly from AT&T, and insists that the project is an objective and fair private-public mapping partnership.

But according to Brodsky, we're about to spend $350 million for broadband mapping data that won't be accurate, will be owned by AT&T and not the taxpayers who paid for it, and can't be independently verified. That doesn't quite sound like the new age of accountability and transparency promised when the Obama administration began working toward a national broadband policy. Five years from now, when the government and AT&T are still pretending the nation's broadband coverage gaps don't exist, you can't say you weren't warned.

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fcisler
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just crazy....

Everyone gets government money, yet the average joe struggles.

They take a fantastic idea - "Hey, what broadband options can i get in zipcode XXXXX" - and award it to "front" of large corporations.

So as long as AT&T serves ONE customer in that ZIP are they covered? Did they ever come up with criteria for the mapping?

Oh wait...we still consider what, 200kb? broadband.

What a shame.///
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Re: just crazy....

its called Hope and Change (you hope that the change you see isn't real)
and its got accountability and transparency
(so accountable that they will count every dollar they take, just won't tell anyone about)
(so transparant that you won't even see whats coming, till you hit the window)

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Re: just crazy....

said by DarkLogix See Profile :

its called Hope and Change (you hope that the change you see isn't real)
and its got accountability and transparency
(so accountable that they will count every dollar they take, just won't tell anyone about)
(so transparant that you won't even see whats coming, till you hit the window)
God. Secede already.
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He's from FL.

The "secede" comment came from TX. Long live Texas.


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And this was supposed to be different?

I think we should just have the execs over at Time Warner tell us what we need. Then I could just unplug immediately rather than watch this dog and pony show from the gov't. for a couple of years.

Actually, this would be an interesting senior project for someone with a network administration major. This wouldn't be too hard to map. Using these clowns is insulting to the tax payers....which there are increasingly less of!
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Mapping

Has anyone looked at the Connected Nation maps? They aren't as bad nor as dire as this guy says. Sure the OTHER maps are better, but the Connected Nation maps are very similar to the other maps, they just don't differentiate Cable or DSL. So, while I feel accuracy is very important, the sky is certainly not falling. Let's worry about getting broadband to those "white" areas on the Connected Nation map and then we can tackle what type it is.

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said by Matt See Profile :

Has anyone looked at the Connected Nation maps? They aren't as bad nor as dire as this guy says. Sure the OTHER maps are better, but the Connected Nation maps are very similar to the other maps, they just don't differentiate Cable or DSL. So, while I feel accuracy is very important, the sky is certainly not falling. Let's worry about getting broadband to those "white" areas on the Connected Nation map and then we can tackle what type it is.
But as stated, how do we verify the data is accurate and true? Given the way the things are setup there will be no accountability and no way to ensure that what they are telling us is the truth.

Sure, give me $350 million dollars and all your dreams will come true. Trust me!!

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said by ropeguru See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

Has anyone looked at the Connected Nation maps? They aren't as bad nor as dire as this guy says. Sure the OTHER maps are better, but the Connected Nation maps are very similar to the other maps, they just don't differentiate Cable or DSL. So, while I feel accuracy is very important, the sky is certainly not falling. Let's worry about getting broadband to those "white" areas on the Connected Nation map and then we can tackle what type it is.
But as stated, how do we verify the data is accurate and true? Given the way the things are setup there will be no accountability and no way to ensure that what they are telling us is the truth.

Sure, give me $350 million dollars and all your dreams will come true. Trust me!!
I don't think it's coincidental that Connected Nations map matched the independent 3rd party ... I think that's a pretty decent sign it is accurate. The author also holds up e-NC as some sort of AT&T conspiracy. The e-NC data didn't solely rely on AT&T's word as he would have you believe. As denoted right in the bottom of the e-NC maps, which I'm sure he actually looked at, right?

Broadband service percentages presented were derived from e-NC’s analysis of data from providers, census tract data, cable and DSL service areas, and interpolation of all such data. Composite percentages are not averages of Broadband service providers' percentages.

In other words, we didn't just take what AT&T told us at face value, we actually did the legwork to verify it and compare it to other data.
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said by Matt See Profile :

I don't think it's coincidental that Connected Nations map matched the independent 3rd party ... I think that's a pretty decent sign it is accurate.
I have no reason to suspect the present data anymore or less than future reports they may give.

But a corporation has no morality or soul and what it may present honestly today can change with the wind.
The more independent voices that can be brought in to the mix the better.

I don't see Connected Nation as an independent voice but a potentially very deceptive one.

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Re: Mapping

said by older dog See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

I don't think it's coincidental that Connected Nations map matched the independent 3rd party ... I think that's a pretty decent sign it is accurate.
I have no reason to suspect the present data anymore or less than future reports they may give.

But a corporation has no morality or soul and what it may present honestly today can change with the wind.
The more independent voices that can be brought in to the mix the better.
I agree with that, which is why the assertion that Connected Nation and AT&T are somehow in collusion, and e-NC is evidence of that baffles me. I think the author of the original piece had an idea of the conclusion he wanted to make and assembled information around it that "sort of" supported his position.

From what I have seen, I do believe Connected Nation may have a suspect connection to AT&T. But also from what I have seen, Connected Nation's maps match the independent 3rd party maps. So rather than blast Connected Nation and attempt to dismantle them, how about we lobby and push for independent 3rd party reviews on a set timetable? I'm sure that is something that everyone, AT&T included, would be happy to agree to. If not, then perhaps there is something worth looking into.

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From stopthecap:

The history of this group has demonstrated it has an interest in keeping specifics to a minimum, and inflating broadband penetration levels into the stratosphere. As Broadband Reports wrote, a perfect example is in the state of Kentucky. When independent mapping was completed, it exposed Kentucky had a problem — just 60% of the state had broadband available. Those low numbers might prompt a review of why incumbent telecom companies are not spending some money to wire their less urban customers for service. But with the magic of Connect Kentucky, a sort of regional chapter of Connected Nation, that number jumped to 95% in just five years in a study called dubious, if not outright “methodological malpractice” by Consumers Union.

In North Carolina, the dispute is being played out in a most public way, as Connected Nation, at the behest of a powerful state legislator, has set up a parallel mapping operation to that of the e-NC Authority, a state agency that has been working since 2001 to bring Internet connectivity to rural areas through mapping and through public-private partnerships with telephone companies. While normally Connected Nation can charge hundreds of thousands of dollars for mapping, it is doing the North Carolina map at no cost to the state after a move by the chairman of e-NC’s board to have that organization pay for part of the industry mapping cost failed.

As with all of its mapping, e-NC depends on information from incumbent providers. Through last year and this there was a struggle more prolonged than usual, and the end result was a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) that greatly restricted what the e-NC maps would be able to show.

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said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

From stopthecap:

The history of this group has demonstrated it has an interest in keeping specifics to a minimum, and inflating broadband penetration levels into the stratosphere. As Broadband Reports wrote, a perfect example is in the state of Kentucky. When independent mapping was completed, it exposed Kentucky had a problem — just 60% of the state had broadband available. Those low numbers might prompt a review of why incumbent telecom companies are not spending some money to wire their less urban customers for service. But with the magic of Connect Kentucky, a sort of regional chapter of Connected Nation, that number jumped to 95% in just five years in a study called dubious, if not outright “methodological malpractice” by Consumers Union.

In North Carolina, the dispute is being played out in a most public way, as Connected Nation, at the behest of a powerful state legislator, has set up a parallel mapping operation to that of the e-NC Authority, a state agency that has been working since 2001 to bring Internet connectivity to rural areas through mapping and through public-private partnerships with telephone companies. While normally Connected Nation can charge hundreds of thousands of dollars for mapping, it is doing the North Carolina map at no cost to the state after a move by the chairman of e-NC’s board to have that organization pay for part of the industry mapping cost failed.

As with all of its mapping, e-NC depends on information from incumbent providers. Through last year and this there was a struggle more prolonged than usual, and the end result was a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) that greatly restricted what the e-NC maps would be able to show.
That is excellent news. I can't wait for Connected Nation's results to come out so we can compare them to e-NC's. Although I find it a bit ironic that e-NC, a governmental agency, can't release their data because of NDA's but everyone is clamoring for Connected Nation to release theirs.
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Re: Mapping

Actually stopthecap has a new article about Connected Nation.

It illustrates just how BAD CN's maps in North Carolina in Ohio are compared to independent third parties. This is despite CN getting millions in government funding while independents received nothing.

And by BAD I mean absolutely HORRENDOUS. They show absolutely NOTHING. They don't differentiate between broadband type, price, demographic, or ANYTHING. It's like a 5-year-old made them. Compared to e-NC's maps, CN's maps are so atrociously bad the only possible way they could be considered "adequate" is if they somehow bribed a politician.
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said by ropeguru See Profile :

how do we verify the data is accurate and true? Given the way the things are setup there will be no accountability and no way to ensure that what they are telling us is the truth.
And your proposal? Have a person go to every physical address in the country and ask "can you hear me now?" Don't we need to start somewhere, then evaluate the system before casting stones?" Besides, almost anything will be an improvement from the current mapping tactics.

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Re: Mapping

If I didn't know your agenda better, I'd say you were extremely naive.
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Re: Mapping

Agenda? I'll ask you the same question that I asked ropeguru See Profile, what's your mapping proposal?

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Re: Mapping

No, the onus is on YOU to DEFEND this shitty mapping proposal owned and crafted by AT&T.

How is it in the public interest to send $350 million to AT&T? We know their financial interests are to lie and claim that the country is fully wired for broadband. This proposal would be worse than what we're doing now as it will create an air of legitimacy to the lies being spewed by telco and cableco PR departments.

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said by morbo See Profile :

No, the onus is on YOU to DEFEND this shitty mapping proposal owned and crafted by AT&T.

How is it in the public interest to send $350 million to AT&T?
1st - the mapping proposal isn't owned by AT&T. That is an accusation never proved, by one group - Public Knowledge. »www.publicknowledge.org/node/252···ent-1546

2nd - the money isn't going to AT&T. It would be going to Connected Nation, an independent group.
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Re: Mapping

Connected Nation's board is stocked to the brim with telco execs. I can provide you with a link detailing the board members and their significant ties to the big businesses if you actually care.

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said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

Connected Nation's board is stocked to the brim with telco execs. I can provide you with a link detailing the board members and their significant ties to the big businesses if you actually care.
I've seen it. Thanks.

All that proves is that Connected Nation will be well placed thru contacts to obtain the data they need easily and without any fuss or muss.
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"All that proves is that Connected Nation will be well placed thru contacts to obtain the data they need easily and without any fuss or muss."

If its such a no fuss or muss with their contacts; whats been the major malfunction up to this point? With such easy and simplicity as you seem to imply with your, ...no fuss or muss, why wold they even ask for money for something so simple when the nation is so strapped.
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said by morbo See Profile :

No, the onus is on YOU to DEFEND this shitty mapping proposal owned and crafted by AT&T.
I asked a simple question that people can't/won't answer. I don't need to defend anything. I'll ask you the same question as ropeguru See Profile and digitalfreak See Profile, what is your proposal?
said by morbo See Profile :

How is it in the public interest to send $350 million to AT&T?
Where did you get that from? How is AT&T getting $350M for broadband mapping?
said by morbo See Profile :

We know their financial interests are to lie and claim that the country is fully wired for broadband.
I don't understand this claim. AT&T only stands to gain more $$ from grants, subsidies, and USF-like slush funds to continue wiring the country if President Obama's administration is truly sincere about wiring the US.
said by morbo See Profile :

This proposal would be worse than what we're doing now as it will create an air of legitimacy to the lies being spewed by telco and cableco PR departments.
You're right, long live mapping by zip code where the US is nearly 100% connected with broadband
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Well considering there are OTHER Providers than AT&T out there, perhaps giving this company the keys to the castle while others are left to wonder if the public data is accurate. If I were AT&T, I'd spend 349 Million on finding out exaclty where the weakneses in Comcasts network were. The other million i'd spend on lunch and vacations for key politians.

Basically anything that didn't give one-sided access to funds and data collection would be preferable.
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Re: Mapping

AT&T isn't getting this infamous $350M. If Connected Nation does receive the money for mapping connectivity, it doesn't funnel into AT&T's coffers.
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Basically anything that didn't give one-sided access to funds and data collection would be preferable.
Such as?
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Re: Mapping

You could probably do a better job.
sonicmerlin

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Um, AT&T doesn't want the money to be given to smaller independent carriers willing to wire the rest of the gaps. They don't want competition. They also don't want consumers demanding that they provide better service considering their franchise agreements with various cities.
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Re: Mapping

Your point? What for profit company wants their competition to grow?
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Re: Mapping

Because CN is the one who's mapping. They're tasked with the duty of providing unbiased and detailed mapping data. Obviously with their board stocked with telco execs there's a conflict on interest.
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For $350 million, yes I do propose that. Not once, but then send another person to validate that information.
openbox9

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Then you had better throw a few more million $$ into the kitty, because I don't see it happening.
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Re: Mapping

Of course you dont as you are one that would support anything to hide the truth from consumers at any cost.

Databases are not that expensive to setup. Hiring a few people per state to actually do the survey would not be that expensive. For that matter you can get several hundred high school / college kids to go door to door in large areas and have many more cold calling and sitting on websites running qualification test.

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I think they used to call that the U.S. Census
It's not quite "every physical address" but, that should be some decent data to compare against CN's maps.
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Re: Mapping

My "can you hear me now" statement was tongue-in-cheek. The problem with adding connection mapping to the Census is that we'd be reliant on people who may not have, or want, Internet access answering what services they have available at their location. Granted, it's a start, but I don't believe there would be a high level of accuracy.
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said by Matt See Profile :

Has anyone looked at the Connected Nation maps? They aren't as bad nor as dire as this guy says. Sure the OTHER maps are better, but the Connected Nation maps are very similar to the other maps, they just don't differentiate Cable or DSL. So, while I feel accuracy is very important, the sky is certainly not falling. Let's worry about getting broadband to those "white" areas on the Connected Nation map and then we can tackle what type it is.
you miss the point entirely - the purpose of connected nation is to ENSURE accurate mapping data IS NOT AVAILABLE.

sure, they put out what looks like reasonable maps, but who's to know? they make sure the data is proprietary so it can't be verified because you can't see the raw data.

why are they doing this? because they don't want people to see how many "holes" there are in the U.S. broadband map. If the true state of broadband competition in the U.S. (little to no competition) were known, the FCC, BY LAW, would be obligated to take significant measures.

hide the facts and you can make up your own story.

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Hey, sonicmerlin. It really helps if you quote what you're replying to. I can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to address.
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said by Matt See Profile :

Hey, sonicmerlin. It really helps if you quote what you're replying to. I can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to address.
Me neither lol. I'll start auto quoting the long threads.
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Ugh

..taken from legislation sponsored by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL)
Say no more. Another on-the-take senator from our presidents home state(-of-corruption).
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said by jay_rm See Profile :

..taken from legislation sponsored by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL)
Say no more. Another on-the-take senator from our presidents home state(-of-corruption).
Holding a grudge because you're not getting a slice?
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Re: Ugh

durbin is synonymous with corruption. Someday it should be in the dictionary.

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Suckers

Why are people complaining? Most of the usual suspects on this website wanted more than anything for taxpayer dollars to go towards mapping of broadband and now they are getting their wish!

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Re: Suckers

We don't want mapping to be conducted by corrupt groups.

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said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

We don't want mapping to be conducted by corrupt groups.
If you want something done your way, then do it yourself.
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Re: Suckers

You're a bitter shill. What exactly is your problem with consumers?

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I give up.

Spend all you want, I don't have any more money.

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Individual Study..

Why not all of us find out the coverage for our areas and submit it to a website or forum?

I can find out quickly here in Montana where BB is available.
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Re: Individual Study..

how about this have DSLreports be the authority on making a BB map?
after all why not?

S_engineer

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not bad....by zip code?

available carriers, speeds, reliability,

like I said before, shouldn't be that hard to do....and shouldnt cost $350 million!
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said by S_engineer See Profile :

not bad....by zip code?

available carriers, speeds, reliability,

like I said before, shouldn't be that hard to do....and shouldnt cost $350 million!
DSLreports already does this.

All the government would have to do is give DSLreports some money, I imagine a lot less than 1 million and force ISPs to give DSLreports raw access to their internet availability data.

That data with self reporting already on this site should give pretty accurate maps.

I just cannot imagine why they need $350 million.
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Wait a minute

So let me get this straight -
We spend thousands, even millions for Americans to go door to door and take down information for the census. But, we can't make them take down information for broadband penetration?
All you need is one person to say they can and/or have broadband from a certain company and it would be a pretty good guess that the rest of the people in the neighborhood can get it or has it; at the very least on that street. It wont be 100% accurate, but I would say it would be 80-90% accurate - a lot better than what we currently have. At the very least that extra checkbox on the census could be used to compare to whatever Connected Nation says and check for any odd ball reports (such as CN saying a neighborhood has 100% broadband availability when the census says 0 people have broadband in that neighborhood).

Only in America....

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said by k1ll3rdr4g0n See Profile :

So let me get this straight -
We spend thousands, even millions for Americans to go door to door and take down information for the census. But, we can't make them take down information for broadband penetration?
All you need is one person to say they can and/or have broadband from a certain company and it would be a pretty good guess that the rest of the people in the neighborhood can get it or has it; at the very least on that street. It wont be 100% accurate, but I would say it would be 80-90% accurate - a lot better than what we currently have. At the very least that extra checkbox on the census could be used to compare to whatever Connected Nation says and check for any odd ball reports (such as CN saying a neighborhood has 100% broadband availability when the census says 0 people have broadband in that neighborhood).

Only in America....
Why not just force telcos and cablecos to open that aspect of their books? They HAVE the numbers, they just aren't giving them up.
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Evil

This documents just how evil Connected Nation really is:

»www.publicknowledge.org/pdf/conn···0323.pdf

In addition, Connected Nation's "Board of Directors reads like a who's who of the top end of the telecommunications industry, including reps from Verizon, Comcast, AT&T, and the National Cable and Telecommunications Association, as well as a handful of nonprofits."

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Look at this guy. This list you sent is shady. I'm trying to find where the money is coming and going from. Name changing going on everywhere.

»apps.sos.ky.gov/business/obdb/(S···%20MILLS

See the CN Financial Services, LLC. This guy Ronald Eric Mills seems like he is the one handling the money flow. May be someone can take this further.
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this sound really cool

look at it, we are gonna pay a company a cool $350 million (with questionable foundations) to do the work the CONGRESS MEN and crew should be doing.

Theres is an estimated 108 million household in the US. How it would cost ~$3.24 per household is beyond me. Let's see, $.84 for 2 stamps, $.02 for a piece of paper, $.12 for 2 envelopes; comes out to $105.84 million without any breaks from the USPS, from buying lots of paper and envelopes. processing (feeding data into computers and making table) all the data should be under $1 million along with printing. Since producing and sending all that out would be mostly automated or already created, that cost should also be fairly small figure. I'm a bigger fan of the congress men get off their fat dupas and collect the data themselves.

KrK
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There ought to be a law that says ....

You cannot take money by force (Tax) to give to a company to improve their profits.

Take from the working class, give to the rich.

This is a lot more common then most people realize.
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KrK
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Nothing to see here, Move Along.....

"Connect Nation, after years of detailed studies, and exhaustive research, cost: $350 million, has determined that we have no Broadband issues and everything is fine.... just fine.

Nothing to see here. Move along."
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KrK
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Anyone in Illinois?

You could go here:

»durbin.senate.gov/contact.cfm

and tell him please to get involved to save his own legislation from the Fraud of Connected Nation.

You could try posting this link:

»www.publicknowledge.org/pdf/conn···0323.pdf

We're being hosed. We could use his help.
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SuperWISP

join:2007-04-17
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Public Knowledge is the one with questionable interests.

Connected Nations has board members from many corporations -- not just AT&T -- and also from quite a few public interest groups; see »www.connectednation.org/who_we_a···dvisors/.

It's "Public Knowledge" that is in fact a corporate pawn. It's heavily supported by -- essentially, owned by -- Google, which wants to get a leg up at the expense of ISPs.
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Re: Public Knowledge is the one with questionable interests.

The majority of their board members are from large corporations. Whether it's AT&T or Verizon doesn't matter.
decifal

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Bon Aqua, TN

a sign

I've placed a sign in my front yard... It says "Broadband Wanted"

How is that for broadband mapping?

r81984
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Re: a sign

It sounds like you know what you are doing so send me your paypal account so we wire you the $350 million.
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decifal

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Re: a sign

Woohooo!!! with that I can just T1 myself and be done with it!!!!.. So sad though, this is probably how it works lol...... God
Woofer61

join:2009-07-08
Fresno, CA
nice !!
too bad I live in a complex that is a 'comcast' contract.
ugh
Woofer61

join:2009-07-08
Fresno, CA

Carriers

Seems to me that the large carriers have already decided that they rule as far as mapping goes. I've been reading how they have been somewhat successful in challenging local ordinances, etc., that try to allow for public owned broadband services. Especially if the locals have figured out how to access a backbone without going through 'them'.
I think 'they' have already decided that baseline BB will cost 60-70 dollars per month for basic speeds.. probably anything up to 6-8 Mbits/sec. Beyond that will be expensive premium services with throttling unless you purchase more bandwidth or get a TV or phone package exclusive to them.
Remember that 'they' are extremely proprietary and only want you to use their entertainment services, so that hulu and other video access points will die.
If they can also 'own' the fiber modem market through patents, then they will have it all.

I, personally, don't have the kind of money the big carriers think is "fair" (for them) just to be able to stream video and other nice things.
It's a pity to live in a country that only rewards capitalism and cares not a whit about 'service' or fair pricing or open access.
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