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One Tale of Crossing the Comcast Cap
User Gets Transferred to Retentions Department
by Karl Bode Tuesday 12-Jul-2011 tags: business · caps · Comcast
For years our users received warnings from Comcast informing them that they were consuming too much bandwidth. When asked how much bandwidth was too much, Comcast was never able to adequately answer. A few years ago Comcast finally imposed a flat 250 GB cap on all users, which while out of the range of most users and unaccompanied by overages, still wasn't particularly popular. Comcast does offer a consumption tool at least, and unlike some carriers, appears to be fairly accurate.

Still, users who cross the cap repeatedly can face account termination, and navigating Comcast support at this point can be an adventure. This post at Ozymandias is a case in point; the user found their connection terminated, then had to wander through an odd Comcast support hell in an effort to get any information on the disconnection:

I called up Comcast and went through customer service hell – a Comcast special, I might note. First their regular customer service agent couldn’t help me, and sent me to their “Customer Security” group again. The Customer Security agent was polite, and after the standard identification questions notified me I was cut off for a year due to exceeding Comcast’s Acceptable Use Policy limits on their bandwidth cap. I asked for details on what had been using bandwidth, and again, Comcast would not share.... I asked to be reinstated and he said it was final – no appeal. I asked to escalate to a manager so I could explain my situation, and he stated there was no escalation, and repeated there was no appeal. I then asked for customer service email or other contact information so I could CC the company on a blog post (which you are reading now)..

The rather absurd adventure concludes with the user being transferred to the company's retention department, where there's some additional tap dancing before nothing apparently gets resolved. The user (who uploads a lot of high quality audio and photos) never really gets his questions answered and lacks any competitive alternative to Comcast's capped service, but oddly still has service for the moment. While it was refreshing to see Comcast get a little more clear with a solid cap, there's nothing particularly clear about what this customer went through in trying to get answers, and getting transferred to the retention department is particularly absurd.

To be fair to Comcast, at least their meters are accurate, they've been pretty clear about what limits they've imposed after years of murky nonsense, and the company hasn't yet decided to follow the lead of companies like AT&T and impose overages. However bad users think caps are -- per byte overages are an entirely different and more anti-competitive affair in the age of Internet video. As cloud storage, streaming video, streaming gaming and other services continue to evolve, Comcast's going to find more and more people bumping into their previously reasonable ceiling. The question then becomes: will Comcast raise the cap in a reasonable time frame -- and are they still considering someday migrating to metered billing?

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AstroBoy

join:2008-08-08
Parkville, MD

Throttle?

I thought Comcast would just Throttle your speed if you went over and your line was currently busy. Did that change?

I had Comcast 1.5 years ago, now have FIOS.

Karl Bode
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Re: Throttle?

They have a cap and they temporarily throttle users if they're a heavy user on a congested node.

Ted Sheckler
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Re: Throttle?

»Re: Here we go again about bandwidth throttling ....

To clarify, Comcast does not throttle (see linked post)

The knowledgeable espaeth See Profile said:

"The congestion management system is a prioritization system, not a throttle. Under congested conditions everyone's traffic is going to be impacted. If Comcast had no congestion management system, your throughput would still be reduced due to resource exhaustion. On a DOCSIS system you need to request resources (timeslots) to get packets on the wire upstream and downstream. When the line becomes saturated, queuing occurs and packets experience a delay waiting for resources to be freed up so that they can be transmitted. The congestion management system simply bumps packets for lighter users ahead of those of heavy users during times of congestion/queuing. Unlike a throttle the impact is not artificial; heavy users only have their throughput impacted in relation to other real traffic on the wire."

I still wish I had more than one ISP to choose from.

Karl Bode
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Re: Throttle?

Right, right...I forgot their insistence that this isn't throttling. Heavy users packets just get on "the bus" later.
axus

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Washington, DC

Re: Throttle?

IF Comcast's network is saturated, then it makes sense to do some "network management". But I remember in the past they've done some non-network-neutral things regardless of the state of the network.

Ted Sheckler
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You're right, the heavy users packets should get priority...
MyDogHsFleas
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It's important to use words right. The common meaning of the word "throttle" would be that your upload/download speed provisioning is reduced. Like the throttle on a car regulating the amount of gasoline to the engine. So the throttle is on your account, and it throttles down to a specific number. What Comcast is doing is dynamic network prioritization. The thing they have in common is that they bias against users who are deemed "excessive" i.e. they've been over the 250GB cap some number of times. But they are different things. Dynamic network prioritization does not absolutely lower your speed.
patcat88

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Its not a police quota, its a police performance incentive.

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This is a throttle. Comcast threw a little more logic behind it, but its still a throttle.

The knowledgeable Data Riker says it is.

Ted Sheckler
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Re: Throttle?

Ok

HB
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Wouldn't this be traffic shaping, not throttling? Throttling would occur regardless of whether there is competing traffic (like sat FAPs). My understanding is if there is no competing traffic, there is no reduction in speed.
hottboiinnc
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Re: Throttle?

no its QOS and they don't promise you any QOS expect if your a digital voice customer since that service is not on the Internet. It stays private.

syslock
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Ann Arbor, MI

Re: Throttle?

Its still IP traffic until hit hits the switch at the NOC.

gwbuffalo

join:2001-12-08
Mokena, IL

It's really not all that confusing

I don't know what this story is all about, the Comcast caps have been very clear for a long time now. They have also provided an area on their website in your account panel to show you how much bandwidth you've used.

This user seems to think Comcast has to give them a list of things they downloaded or something to get to the cap and that's just not a realistic thing to expect. I know Comcast's service can be pretty bad, but this one isn't their fault.

Almost any router now will keep a log of how much bandwidth you've used over a month of time, so I'd highly recommend that everyone take advantage of that and keep an eye on what Comcast says you've used. If they are two completely different numbers, then you might have a case.

Also, someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never heard of Comcast cutting you off after one month of going over the cap, most likely this user went over the cap at least a few times and was warned what continuing to go over the cap would do to his account standing.

As I said, I can probably write a short novel on problems I've had with Comcast, but this one I can't see their fault in the situation.
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Wilsdom

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Re: It's really not all that confusing

Unreasonable, really? This is like being pulled over for speeding and told you are going too fast, but not how fast. And they are towing your car. Yeah, you have a speedometer, but it is a little late for that, isn't it?

While it's true that if Comcast said that you were using 1/10 of your bandwidth (500GB) the previous month, and 1/16 (300GB) the month before that you would have to take their word for it that you are an extremely selfish person, at least they are making the appearance of following a procedure.

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We always just get the complainers point of view on these things. And like you said, his asking for details about which files he is downloading is absurd. Also, I am sure he was warned and this disconnection didn't come out of the blue. He just ignored warnings and figured they would never actually disconnect him.
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Thaler
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Re: It's really not all that confusing

It made me laugh that they terminated his service for a year, but didn't make a change to his billing. Do they really expect cap-disconnected customers to continue paying for no service?

sivran
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Read the article -- it's not his first time.

45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

Comcap

Comcap is a joke of an ISP. They have got to be the worst cable provider in the States. I regularly do 5+ TB on FiOS and Verizon doesn't give a shit. You'd have to be a fool to subscribe to Comcap if you live in a Comcap/FiOS duopoly market. I don't know how their divisions that have to compete with FiOS stay in business.

baineschile
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Re: Comcap

And when FIOS starts metered billing...?

Thespis
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Re: Comcap

... and when will that be?
tmc8080

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Re: Comcap

said by Thespis:

... and when will that be?

When they decide they no longer want my money each and every month!

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said by baineschile:

And when FIOS starts metered billing...?

LOL and it's coming....soon!

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Not even close. Charter Communications here in my area is far worse. I would welcome Comcast with open arms any day. They provide no HD channels of any kind, no DVR, no on demand, and we are stuck with 10+ year old buggy and sluggish Motorola set tops. The digital channels are so compressed that they look like you are watching a 20 year old VHS tape. Our county has a population of nearly 27,000 of which the majority are using satellite. That's how bad Charter is here.
hottboiinnc
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Re: Comcap

i find it hard that over 50% of that 27,000 are using satellite. Just because its on the house doesn't mean its being used. if Charter had that MD would have been sold to someone else- Comcast most likely.

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Re: Comcap

No other cable company wants this county because it's the most rural, least populated county in the entire state, with 27% living below the poverty level. My father's friend works for Charter so he knows the area very well being regional manager for southeastern MD.

Charter hasn't performed any upgrades in the county since 2004. About 500 local residents are having a meeting with the city council including several regional managers from Charter for the mid-atlantic region July 15th to address the constant outages. Customers are going three to four days at a time without any tv, internet, or phone. If it goes down on a Friday it won't be back up until Monday.

Some local business owners with some influence in the county are trying to lure Comcast here, but the chances of that happening are slim to none. Charter has neglected the infrastructure here for so long that any potential customers that a different provider could attract have left for satellite. So ROI would not make it worthwhile for any other provider.

This area of the state is all Comcast territory. My county is the only county Comcast has no presence in with the exception of a very small sliver of the county where a gated community is located 22 miles away that is being wired as I write this. Which only makes up about 1% of the county population.

wiredmonkey

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Re: Comcap

said by dataice:

No other cable company wants this county because it's the most rural, least populated county in the entire state, with 27% living below the poverty level. My father's friend works for Charter so he knows the area very well being regional manager for southeastern MD.

You're obviously wrong. hottboiinnc knows everything about everything. How dare you question him!

dataice
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Re: Comcap

Oh, my bad!
mhouse1712

join:2007-11-27
Georgia
I am sorry that this is going to be a little rude(I am being serious about that statement), but I feel that I must approach this in such a manner...

So, please feel free to quit crying about your substandard cable/internet service. At least you HAVE such a service in a county that small. In the county I live in(which is slightly larger than yours), about half of the county's population, or less, is covered by AT&T "broadband" internet. I live in Haralson County, GA, and Comcast offers nothing but cable, and AT&T only offers DSL in the three small towns here(Bremen, Buchanan, and Tallapoosa).

I live between the latter two towns, yet AT&T flatly refuses to provide the majority of the populace with proper broadband. I have to use Verizon's "Mobile 'Broadband'" service, which is a steep ripoff. Comcast couldn't care less that there are many potential customers for its "broadband" service; I doubt Comcast will lay the groundwork to bring "broadband" service here for many years forward.

Seeing how we are apart of the "Atlanta Metropolitan Area"(huge joke), and the fact that we are so close to an interstate highway, you would think that we could get some semblance of "broadband". If you think that, you would be wrong. I mean, AT&T has not even rolled out UMTS service where I live, so I guess I shouldn't expect them to roll out DSL here either.

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Re: Comcap

I don't use Charter for internet only TV. I live in a 330 unit apartment building where it's not feasible to have satellite because I don't have a way of installing a dish on the side of the building. So it's Charter or nothing. I can't use Charter for internet even if I wanted to because Charter says the coax cable installed in this building when the building was completed in 1970 is too old to carry internet and phone. That leaves me with Verizon Wireless Broadband and DSL.

I do have DSL with Verizon now but only after going through hell on earth for months to get it. Being the wiring in this building is over 40 years old it's a hit or miss that DSL will work here. I was one of the lucky ones. I was paying $80 a month for 5 GB's with Verizon Wireless Broadband while I was battling with Verizon DSL and the building manager to at least give it a try. I finally got DSL last month here. I pay $45 a month for 3 Mbits. But there is no cap like it was with wireless so I am thankful for that.

People like you and I have to take what we can get being in a rural area. I have actually lived in even more rural counties in neighboring states that had no broadband options whatsoever, not even wireless. It was dial-up or satellite and that was your only two options. So I do feel your pain.
cooperaaaron

join:2004-04-10
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Comcast needs to ......

start telling people who go over to roll with the business class packages, and offer them a deal to transfer. Nuff said.
tmc8080

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Re: Comcast needs to ......

The cost of the 50mbit package should be enough to move back to unlimited.. residential or not, IMO.

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Re: Comcast needs to ......

said by tmc8080:

The cost of the 50mbit package should be enough to move back to unlimited.. residential or not, IMO.

absolutely.
hottboiinnc
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they don't need to. You're told upfront and can check at any time you wish that they have a 250gig cap. If you get cut off from their Network then that's your own problem and should have upgraded to Business Class when you got your first notice. Not AFTER you they shut you off.

Also Biz Class and Residential Services do NOT work together.

ptrowski
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I hate to say it but...

It sounds like they blew by the cap a few months in a row. So instead of monitoring their usage they blew by it again. So why not just get a business account?

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Screavics
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Poisoned...

It says "never really gets his questions answered and lacks any competitive alternative to Comcast's capped service"

but I read "never really gets his questions answered and lacks any competitive alternative to Comcast's crapped service"

I had to re-read that line cause I wanted to double check the spelling lol
AndyDufresne
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Make sure to read this guys blog.

He says he was warned month before,he also goes on to say he had an open AP for guest. He has roomates and his use by himself is not the norm for must folks right now. Sub was also not aware that upstream usage is counted towards cap. Business account would have solved his issues before coming to this point.

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S4caster
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Business class

Just want to be double sure, business class isn't capped, correct? I believe it starts at 59.99 a month? I checked their website of course, didn't find a mention of caps.

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Master Wolfe

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That poor old dead horse...

bluedyedvd

join:2007-04-15
Overland Park, KS

what about earthlink

He said he has no other option but comcat but he may be able to get earthlink it's just comcast service but it's billed by earthink. Earthlink was forced by comcast to have the 250gb cap but earthlink fought comcast hard on it so they likely are not enforcing it.

G0d

@rr.com

you pay for what you get

I use to hear about people complaining about no modem locks and now its about caps. I don't think it will ever end. People are always going to cry about something. It is really simple. He used way to much bandwidth for a residential account over a years period. If you need that much bandwidth then get a commercial account. Things cost money and just because you think its expensive because your parents who are paying your bills say they wont pay anymore for internet does not give you the right to bash all over them. They can accommodate your bandwidth needs but grow some and pay for it. Stop crying already.

toddbs98

join:2000-07-08
North Little Rock, AR

Re: you pay for what you get

Yes it cost comcast less than a penny per gig for that bandwidth. So the 250 gigs cost them 2.50 per customer and they sell it for 60 bucks. No profit margin there.
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So Wrong!

We need net neutrality more than ever.
Internet is a requirement for many people and most people do not have a choice in provider.
These companies have no justification for caps or per byte billing, but yet they do it anyways since they are monopolies.

I feel sorry for this poster. Hopefully his job was not tied to the internet.

Comcast has no right to ban someone for 1 year for simply using the connection they 100% fully paid for. This is a joke and our government needs to start regulating fast.
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hottboiinnc
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Re: So Wrong!

and who is going to create those laws? The FCC? they have NO control over the Internet. Net Neutrality is NOT a case here anyway. It's a simple problem of a customer thinking he can do what ever he wants with a LEASED connection to a PRIVATE network. He abused it and admits that he uploads too much.

And EVERYONE always has options of another provider. this guy just refused to look at them.

And Comcast does have the right to refuse service to ANYONE they want. It's the right of ANY business. And also if he was using that RESIDENTIAL connection to make $$$$ then yes; they could ban him for that as well. It's part of this contract/TOS/AUP with Comcast.

And the gov't can NOT regulate the Internet. It's NOT a communications service. It's an Information Service- and was defined that by the FCC. And NOW Congress needs to give them the right to regulate it. But when that happens you can bet your bill going up a GOOD $10 with taxes and fees.

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Re: So Wrong!

We pay for a connection to the internet, nothing more.
Using that paid for connection is not abuse.

Where I live I have the option of ATT or some no name apartment cable company.
I chose ATT because they were not capped, but now both are capped and restricted and I have no choice of a real internet provider to switch to. I have NO OPTIONS.
The internet is a necessity form of communication that replaced the phone which was heavily regulated to ensure everyone had access. Now we need to regulate the internet to ensure everyone has access and there are no restrictions put in place to protect TV service profits.

Why would my bill go up with net neutrality , in fact it would go down.
6 months ago I had unlimited internet with ATT at $20 a month. I had unlimited internet since 1995.
Now ATT charges me $20 for 150GB and $10 for 50 GB after. I am paying way more for much less now.

If the government stopped unjustified caps and forced ISPs to offer unrestricted internet again then prices will go back to the level they need to be to cover costs and have a good profit margin which was $20 a month.

Net neutrality is almost an anti-regulation as it requires companies to NOT do things, to NOT spend money on per byte metering hardware/software, to NOT prevent competition to unrelated TV services, to NOT rip off customers, to NOT restrict the internet.
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Scatcatpdx
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Re: So Wrong!

I do not think Net neutrality trumps the TOS. You pay for the connection according to the TOs and not your own personal edict.

r81984
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Re: So Wrong!

Laws always trump a TOS.
Anyways alot of things written in a TOS's would not hold up in court. Just because a company writes something down that you did not read or sign does not mean they can hold you to it no more than if I wrote on my check for payment that said "if you accept this money you agree to my terms".
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Zescape

join:2011-07-12
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What's the problem?

I'm not really seeing what's so ridiculous. The guy repeatedly violated the TOS, and got his service taken away for a year. These consequences are clearly explained in the TOS.

The usage meter is accurate and available at any time with less than a 3 hour delay from real-time data. He could have monitored his usage, especially after the first time he blew past the cap. He chose not to.

What kind of details was he expecting when he asked Comcast what had been using the bandwidth? When he said they would not share, hopefully it's because they don't know. I sure hope Comcast has no idea what I'm doing with my internet connection. If they did, I would find that very invasive, and would likely change providers.

Ok, Comcast's customer service is a nightmare, but we already knew that. In this case though, I really don't see what they did wrong. He broke the clearly designated TOS repeatedly and got discoed. You mess with the bull, you get the horns.
Kamus

join:2011-01-27
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250 GB, 2011.

250 GB cap... amazing ISP.

I can download 50 GB a DAY on my shitty 5 mbit connection, and i have.

Well, i guess it's not as bad as the Bell Canada FTTH horror story, those clients get FTTH with the same shity caps as their DSL counterparts.
Who the fuck would WANT FTTH with 60 GB caps, you are much better off with lower speed to try and limit your downloads as much as possible.

It's fine though, i hope they keep it up... need to make the ISP obsolete ASAP anyway, and practices like this will get more and more inventors solving the incumbent problem even faster this way.
shades

join:2001-06-26
Williamstown, NJ

Re: 250 GB, 2011.

said by Kamus:

250 GB cap... amazing ISP.

I can download 50 GB a DAY on my shitty 5 mbit connection, and i have.

i hate having caps but what in the world could you possibly be doing that requires usage of 50 GB a day?
Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX

Re: 250 GB, 2011.

I once downloaded hours worth of video footage from a Rebel T2i, obviously it's not something i do everyday, but I've done it, and i will do it again and again eventually.
I've had very heavy months of usage, with just my crappy 5 mbit connection, which i MUCH rather prefer to some comcastic crap that's 20 or 100 mbits with shity caps. I'm pretty sure i've gone over a terabyte in at least one month, again, with my super-slow 5 mbit connection.
I'll take 5 mbits unlimited over 1 terabit capped any day of the week.
Well, at least untill my ISP gets my FTTH working.
I've had it installed just over a week now, and they still haven't fixed the problem which prevents me from getting service (worked just fine over at my GF's house)
I'll send a review to Karl as soon as i get it up and running.
It's in "beta" so speeds are limited to 20 down, 4 up at the moment, but they are rumored to be as high as 100 mbit once they make it official. (right now it's free until they make it official)

I have some screen shots of the installation itself, but i want to get more hard data before i write my review, don't feel like raiding my GF's house with my computer to run all sorts of tests.

For those wondering, This is in Chihuahua, Mexico and the ISP is Telmex.

chamberc
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Broadband is NOT a right...

You can pretty much tell where this guy is coming from when you see his comment about broadband being a RIGHT... LOL...

Check the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution and you'll find no such thing...
Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX

Re: Broadband is NOT a right...

said by chamberc:

Check the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution and you'll find no such thing...

Well, it's not there for obvious reasons.

That said, do you think it should be?

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said by chamberc:

You can pretty much tell where this guy is coming from when you see his comment about broadband being a RIGHT... LOL...

Check the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution and you'll find no such thing...

So do we get our tax money back? (USF/ TAX BREAKS, and exclusive aggreements and all...)

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Cut Service, Bill Customer

That part of the blog post made me laugh. Once Comcast policy had deemed the customer's account as FUBAR, they still have the balls to keep them on the hook for future service bills.

Yeah, I'd totally pay a year's worth of broadband for access to a disconnected account.

Twaddle

@sbcglobal.net

COMCAST AT&T VERIZON ET AL

All these companies and more are slowly and systematically killing off the internet with their quest to extract the maximum revenue stream with the least amount of expense. THere will come a day in which the reality will hit and they will realize they have alienated enough of their market to affect their bottom line very adversely.
I would hope State and local governmental agencies end sweet heart deals on public right of ways etc and possibly demand that equipment located on poles and under streets be removed as the "service" to the public that they are "Supposed" to deliver in exchange for use of right of ways has not been fulfilled but thats merely a pipe dream ( I know ). It appears the US is going backwards in deplyment and efficent fair use of this technology rather than forward. I guess we have to become "the" biggest 3rd world debtor nation with no economy before Washington (among others) wakes up. THe public also needs to become acutely aware that "everything" comes with a price and someone has to pay that price and use their limited resources "money" wisely .
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please read the entire post or blog

The whole post is on Comcast HSI. The subscriber had been disconnected once for exceeding the caps; he relates his usage, much of which is for a business enterprise, not residential; and for most cable companies, subscribers are transferred to the retention/disconnect department when requesting to cancel an account.

Soso

@datafoundry.com

Re: please read the entire post or blog

Well then in light of that news then he's at fault. He should upgrade to business class and since he has been slowed/disconnected/warned before hand he can't say he wasn't fairly warned in advanced.

Just proves that until all the facts come to light , you end up not being able to judge the situation fairly.

Scatcatpdx
Fur It Up

join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
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·Comcast

My reply to him

This is a deeply flawed and self centered post. I an a heavy user of Comcast and I rarely exceed the cap. You argument has many flaws fist you violated the tos more than one and apparently refused to ether take action like monitoring usage, reducing usage or upgrade to a business class service.

Deeply flawed is your lack understanding of rights and utilities. Rights by nature are immaterial you have a right to free speech but not right to use free speech to infringe the rights of other nor demand material items from you neighbor; you cannot use the right to free speech to force your neighbor to buy you an sound system. Rights can not be taken way but can be forfeited if one commits a crime against other rights.

You are right, the internet is an utility and like all utilities, they are not a right because, unlike rights, utilities and be rightfully denied to a person. .Try to refuse to pay your internet or electrical bill; furthermore, utilities have a large and often complicated series of building and electrical codes that must be followed in order receive service. One can run to Home Depot, buy any spool of wire, and tap your neighborhood electrical circuit nor set up a 250 ampere data farm, in you home if your residential service in only rated for 200 ampere. Code violations can result in a hefty fine and loss of services.

DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
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Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable

Re: My reply to him

He didn't refuse to pay his bill.

He was cut off because of an artificially low cap, due to forced artificial scarcity. This is turn is possible due to lack of competition in the US.

I miss my uncapped south korean cable for 20 USD/month...

Scatcatpdx
Fur It Up

join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR

Re: My reply to him

does Non sequitur mean anything to you. besides most of us get by with 250 gig very fine.

DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
00000
Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable

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Re: My reply to him

I once read an article in Korea from a chief engineer doing part of Seoul's gigabyte roll out, and I still remember what he said:

"we don't want to end up like the American model of limited supply, our technology is cheap, and the more data we push the better our economics of scale are"

It was translated badly of course, but this is the way I remember it.

What a difference of attitude. When the world's leader on Bandwidth says they are making sure not to follow the US model, you know we are Fucked.

baineschile
2600 ways to live
Premium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI
Reviews:
·Comcast
·magicjack.com

Re: My reply to him

You always bring up Korea, and its always a futile argument. Here are some facts for you:

The US has about 88 people/sqmi. South Korea has 1271 people/sqmi (I dont have the data on N Korea).

The US is 3.7 MILLION square miles.

S Korea is 38,000 square miles.

Here is some basics for you. Its easier, cheaper, and has a higher ROI on more people in small areas. Its more expensive, harder, and has a much less return on ROI (possibly negative) to wire a large area.

Admirable that you take the stance that we should have the same views as Korea, but its just not feasible. As someone who has actually BEEN there, I can attest that a good deal of the poverty and crime there is due to the socialistic style government.

Broadband is important, but the US needs to be spending money on more important things; renewable energy, education, and the works.

Every comment you make supports the abolishment of caps, and that broadband should be essentially free. I have always believed that capitalism, not government interference, has progressed technology forward.

DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
00000
Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable

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Re: My reply to him

my internet service was in a village called Joam of a few hundred people.

So density had nothing to do with my experience.

Also, South Korean internet is much more Capitalist than the US infrastructure.

In fact, there is really nothing capitalistic about US broadband. Its heavily supported by by tax breaks / tax money and exclusive access rights for de facto Duopoly markets.

Also Crime is much lower than the US and poverty rates identical. ( actually, poverty in the US is much higher when scales are adjusted.)

»www.cia.gov/library/publications···/ks.html

Plus having lived there in a very poor rural area that the poverty is not near as bad as here. In terms of quantity and quality.

rchandra
Stargate Universe fan
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Carbonite, Mozy, etc.: eek!

'nuff said?

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