Open Source Bandwidth BS DetectionCreating a neighborhood watch for UK broadband consumers.... 04:03PM Wednesday May 07 2008 by Karl Bodetags: business · bandwidth · world · networkingTired of users being offered half their promised speed, half-truths about traffic shaping, and constant whining by UK ISPs when customers actually use their connection, UK industry-watcher Sam Crawford developed a plan. He wants to send out 200 free open source firmware updated Linksys routers and create a reliable dataset of user disappointment. Using hardware instead of software allowed more reliable 24/7 monitoring, according to the Register. From the project FAQ: We're deploying small hardware-based monitoring units to volunteers all around the country. Once connected to the volunteer's home network the units will perform a series of tests at regular intervals during the day, every day of the year. The results of these tests are fed up to our reporting engine and combined with the results of others on the same ISP to form a national view of how that ISP is performing. . . The units are checking latency, packet loss, DNS query times and failures, web page loading times, as well as the obligatory suite of speed tests. Additional tests are also in development too. The goal is to provide a statistically sound measurement of overall broadband quality. UK consumer watchdog " Which?" recently reported that users in the UK often see a third of the speed stated in advertisements. The group found that buyers of an "up to 8 Mbps" tier actually achieved 2.7Mbps on average, and some didn't see speeds any faster than 0.09Mbps. Nobody surveyed saw speeds faster than 6.7Mbps. Here in the States, AT&T conducted a similar test for marketing purposes, but instead of routers, actually purchased 150 Comcast connections. In a presentation, AT&T then claimed they found that peak downstream speeds were between 3-4Mbps, while average downstream speeds for the users ranged between 300kbps and 400kbps, significantly less than the advertised rate of six to eight megabits per second. Related:- Getting Around Bell Canada's Traffic Shaping
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join:2007-08-19 | No Surprise Here Of course these ISPs will consider no such suggestion as a free, open source router that will accurately gauge anything...such a device will blow the collective, bullshit whining/excuses/traffic shaping excuses completely out of the water. | |
|  |  espaeth Misanthrope Premium join:2001-04-21 Minneapolis, MN | The mark of any good network.. 30-40% monitoring overhead.
It would be fun to compile stats on what percentage of BBR reader's Internet traffic is speed tests. | |
|   wruckman Ruckman.net
join:2007-10-25 Northwood, OH
·RoadRunner Cable
| BS Detected I think it is a good idea. I have no idea why people allow companies to promise one thing and then not deliver it. I want what is promised and to be told exactly what to expect. Such as, bandwidth shaping and so on. It should all be disclosed fully up front. Half truths are half lies but still lies alike. | |
|  |   SSX4life Premium join:2004-02-13 >_ lolz
| Cut the bullsh!t... it's about time ISP's complain about users sucking up too much bandwidth
while...
Users complain about not getting the speeds advertised
It's a vicious cycle.
Imagine if Ford / GM / Honda / Toyota / etc. all posted that their cars get 30 mpg highway but you only ever got 20, can you think of the lawsuits? Same thing happens with ISP's the only difference is they hide behind all the legal bullsh!t in their contracts.
WTB dumb pipes.
k thx bye. -- »www.google.com is your best friend... please use it before asking your question. | |
|  |  |  EPS
join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | Re: Cut the bullsh!t... it's about time Hm, clearly you don't know how mpg figures work if you think those are actual, in-use figures... | |
|  |  |  |   SSX4life Premium join:2004-02-13 >_ lolz
| Re: Cut the bullsh!t... it's about time said by EPS :Hm, clearly you don't know how mpg figures work if you think those are actual, in-use figures... I come darn close to the EPA mpg rating on all my cars. The point being is that Ford / GM / Honda don't cripple your car or f*ck with the car after you buy it and drive it down the road. You sell something you don't screw with it, impose regulations on how the user can drive the car, where they can drive it, or who travels with them. You see ISP's doing this all the time.
This is my point and ethics would say that I'm also on equal ground here. | |
|  |  |  |   DEE02TA
@ti.com | Hmm, that used to be the case. However, starting in 2008, they are much more realistic. That is why all the MPG ratings went down in 2008. They are now pretty close. | |
|  |  |  |  |  EPS
join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | Re: Cut the bullsh!t... it's about time Ah, my mistake then- the car I drive most often is a few years old and so probably has the inflated figures, good to see they're fixing that system. | |
|  |  |  |   Seandhi Seeing From a New Level Premium join:2003-04-19 Humble, TX
| said by EPS :Hm, clearly you don't know how mpg figures work if you think those are actual, in-use figures... I don't know why, but I actually fair 2 MPG better than the EPA rating... Go figure. -- You're an enlightened cat, and I dig that. | |
|  |  |   dvd536 as Mr. Pink as they come Premium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ
| said by SSX4life :Imagine if Ford / GM / Honda / Toyota / etc. all posted that their cars get 30 mpg highway but you only ever got 20, can you think of the lawsuits? When was the last time you got anywhere near what was on the sticker? i think those are based on optimal conditions, going downhill with a 35mph wind behind you. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
|   beerbum Premium join:2000-05-06 Here!
·Comcast
| speeds I hope they won't be using sites with heavy traffic and or low bandwidth.. otherwise the results will not be valid..
attempting to base download speeds using a site or sites with say.. only a T1 connection or better yet hosted on a persons home computer with residential dsl/cable service -- pointless since the source would be bandwidth limited.. | |
|   en102 Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
·DSL EXTREME
| Spin doctors...Like to put a spin on all output
said by Karl : In a presentation, AT&T then claimed they found that peak downstream speeds were between 3-4Mbps, while average downstream speeds for the users ranged between 300kbps and 400kbps, significantly less than the advertised rate of six to eight megabits per second.
'Peak downstream = 3-4Mbps' can happen with 'Average dowstream speeds of 300-400kbps'
Eg. Streaming audio and video typically do not run at 6Mbps, but at their fixed rate. Also, running many apps (i.e. streaming + download + BT + botnet/spam/virus + etc.) may not show the whole picture. Also, DSL has ATM overhead, and you'll be luck to hit ~85% of peak rates. Eg.
Speed Test #50478653 by dslreports.com Run: 2008-05-07 18:33:30 EST Download: 2568 (Kbps) Upload: 441 (Kbps) In kilobytes per second: 313.5 down 53.8 up Tested by server: 2 java User: 297537 @ dslreports.com User's DNS: dslextreme.com Compared to the average of 138 tests from dslextreme.com: * download is 51% better, upload is 23% better
2568 ~= 3008 * 0.84
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|  |   Vahid
@dslextreme.com
| Re: Spin doctors... I don't know about you but using dsle 6 mb I get a constant peak of 5.4 mbps It's steady as well when i use cable i can't get anywhere near that steady rate even though it's at 10mbps. Sad that they want to crap up their service ever futher by imposing caps on their already crappy service. | |
|  |  |   en102 Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: Spin doctors... I'm past 10,000' so I can only get the 3008/512kbps package, and do get a stable line which will get me ~2600kbps throughput - all the time. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
|  |  |  |  |  dynodb Premium,VIP join:2004-04-21 Minneapolis, MN
| Re: Overhead by butt You know the car makers who advertise a 300 horsepower engine? Guess what- after drivetrain losses you'll be lucky to see 255 horsepower actually delivered to the wheels. Same thing with broadband.
That's just the way bandwidth has traditionally been sold, be it the 56k connection to a cash machine or an OC-3 feeding an ISP- by speed of the physical connection, not observed throughput.
One could offer a higher sync rate to compensate for overhead, but overhead percentage varies with packet size; it's not a constant and thus any attempt to do so would be an educated guess.
Furthermore, all providers- cable, DSL, and the ISPs oversubscribe- that's why a dedicated 1.5/1.5 Internet T1 costs $400 and a 1.5/1 DSL connection costs $35.00. Unusually high traffic on a node? Less bandwidth available.
Perhaps the time will come when bandwidth is cheap enough that speeds can be guaranteed, but that time hasn't come. | |
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