  syslockPremium
join:2007-02-03
Honolulu, HI
 ·Time Warner Cable
·Comcast
| Not Cool My cable provider has had many issues with DNS. My router at home is set to obtain DNS services from other DNS providers.
When their trash was down... I was still able to get to the sites
I needed!
If alternative sites are blocked there is no backup to be able to keep working. That's just wrong!
This practice needs to stop! | |
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 |  56403739Less than 5 months leftPremium
join:2006-03-08
Naples, FL
kudos:2 | Two words Common Carrier.
The more this bullshit continues, the stronger the case for separating ISPs from the transport. | |
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| | | | Re: Two words said by 56403739:Common Carrier.
The more this bullshit continues, the stronger the case for separating ISPs from the transport.
Comcast now owns a root server I think. While probably not a big deal, it's symbolic that ISPs basically own the internet. | |
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| | | openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: Two words said by fifty nine:it's symbolic that ISPs basically own the internet. ISPs own their respective networks which make up the Internet. Comcast managing a root server comes with great oversight that can more effectively keep Comcast inline than any government regulation ever will IMO. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Two words said by openbox9:said by fifty nine:it's symbolic that ISPs basically own the internet. ISPs own their respective networks which make up the Internet. Comcast managing a root server comes with great oversight that can more effectively keep Comcast inline than any government regulation ever will IMO. That same "oversight" allowed Verisign sitefinder. Yes, they removed it after a letter from ICANN, but they also sued ICANN. It didn't end there. The point was that ICANN didn't flat out say "no" and Verisign didn't listen to them. Comcast similarly sued the FCC to challenge its authority on network neutrality. They won. | |
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| | | | | openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: Two words said by fifty nine:Comcast similarly sued the FCC to challenge its authority on network neutrality. They won. The Comcast lawsuit was for a different reason and Comcast rightfully one the suit. | |
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| bn1221
join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY | Re: Not Cool What a crock no wonder my Blackberry and VZ Access card users can't connect anywhere anymore. Verizon's DNS servers suck and can't respond and my users got DNS timeouts  | |
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| | If.... they want the FCC to act, they're in for a long wait. History is proving that this department should just be abolished. It's toothless, and beholdant. Waiting for the FCC to act on behalf of nuetrality is futile!
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|  Quake110Premium
join:2003-12-20
Ottawa, ON | Re: If.... Sounds like there CRTC here in Canada where the corrupt officials side with the big Companies. | |
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| StojkoPremium
join:2007-10-20
St John's NL | said by S_engineer:they want the FCC to act, they're in for a long wait. History is proving that this department should just be abolished. It's toothless, and beholdant. Waiting for the FCC to act on behalf of nuetrality is futile!
Sounds like Canada's CRTC. | |
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 ·Verizon FiOS
| The FTC is a toothless joke. The telcos/cablecos own enough people in congress to ensure that nothing ever comes of "Net Neutrality", which to the telcos/cablecos is about the same as promoting terrorism. The people in congress will make sure the FTC does nothing real. Not to mention the people that work for the FTC are probably influenced also. | |
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| | | | Re: If.... Easy for you to say, FiOS is in your area... | |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 |  Solution: OpenDNS sue in Federal Court
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|  dsldude08Premium,VIP
join:2008-01-03
La Crosse, WI
kudos:2 | Re: Solution: OpenDNS sue in Federal Court You are correct.  And with all that money OpenDNS makes they can fight Verizon. This type of act by Verizon is childish. If Verizon had good DNS servers then maybe users wouldn't have to switch now would they? | |
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Let me see.
Who has lawyers out the ying-yang? And who has money to counter (With all that they make on their free service?)
You can see where this option would lead.
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| | Well, it's not like your local ISP is used to having competition when it comes to providing service. | |
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 ·TekSavvy DSL
| Re: Well,said by GlennAllen:it's not like your local ISP is used to having competition when it comes to providing service. s/having competition when it comes to //
it's not like your local ISP is used to providing service.
There... fixed it for ya. | |
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amungusPremium
join:2004-11-26
America | ugly Between this and "bing" I am glad to be on a smaller carrier...
Curious how many people actually change their DNS on VZW.
Should still be allowed though, kind of weird that they'd bother to block this. | |
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| | Currently using OpenDNS I am on Verizon Wireless and I am currently using OpenDNS I switched to OpenDNS whenever Verizon's crap network failed for days at time. | |
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| | | Re: Currently using OpenDNS I stand corrected, they are "secretly" redirecting my DNS requests now. I guess when I got grandfathered over fully it finally changed.
nslookup -vc www.opendns.com. 208.67.222.222
Server: resolver1.opendns.com
Address: 208.67.222.222
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.opendns.com
Address: 208.69.38.150
If your a customer and as angry as I am here is the contact page for our beloved "CEO" make sure you mention the outrageous caps.
»aboutus.vzw.com/leadership/execu···dam.html | |
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| |  Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
kudos:2
·Bright House
| Re: Currently using OpenDNS said by VerizonDNS :I stand corrected, they are "secretly" redirecting my DNS requests now. I'm a little lost. Why do you think you're being redirected?
You sent a query to an OpenDNS server for www.opendns.com
You got a response back from OpenDNS's DNS server, providing the IP.
What am I missing here?
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| | Sprint wireless Can't use OpenDNS with my Sprint smartphone or wireless card either. I don't know if they are blocking either but I've never been able to use anything other than Sprint's dns servers while on their network. | |
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|  AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | Re: Sprint wireless said by unoriginal:Can't use OpenDNS with my Sprint smartphone or wireless card either. I don't know if they are blocking either but I've never been able to use anything other than Sprint's dns servers while on their network.
As far as I can tell, they redirect all DNS requests to their own servers. There is a workaround, but this is the default behavior.
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 OneEye
join:2006-04-15
Peachtree City, GA | Lets try something different than the Courts. Maybe consumers can make their voices heard for Net Neutrality by using their pocket book.
Most consumers have at least two choices for their ISP provider. In my neighborhood, it's AT&T and Comcast.
If one ISP were to become the preferred ISP and all consumers were to switch leaving the other with no customers, fairness would soon rule.
The real question is: How do we get all consumers on board? | |
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|  BlockfireSarcasm is my native tongue
join:2010-02-11
Wichita, KS
kudos:1 | Re: Lets try something different than the Courts. fairness wouldn't rule, it would become a yo-yo effect where one ISP would price hike/gouge and then everyone would go to the other and vice-versa. | |
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| | OneEye
join:2006-04-15
Peachtree City, GA | Re: Lets try something different than the Courts. So?
It's for sure the government is not on the side of consumers; the same goes for the courts.
Consumers only choice is "pocketbook rule".
So what if it takes a "yo-yo effect" to get control of the ISPs. | |
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| | | | | Re: Lets try something different than the Courts. "So what if it takes a "yo-yo effect" to get control of the ISPs."
Sure, that worked very well with with getting political parties to care about voters instead of companies. | |
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| |  I support "dumb pipes"
The fact that "open" google and vz are teaming up makes me veryy worried. I think the google motto of "dont be evil" or some such motto is nonsense. Profit and evil tend to go hand in hand.
Look at how open number portability made wireless a little more competitive. Consumers need and want choice. | |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | WTH would they pick OpenDNS An extremely useful service that doesn't threaten them at all.
You can see the future. Without Net Neutrality, we're all in the same boat. I think it's called the Titanic.
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| | | Re: WTH would they pick OpenDNS said by KrK:An extremely useful service that doesn't threaten them at all.
Shot across the bow to see how people react. Verizon would like to see net neutrality apply to all EXCEPT for them. Is it OK for them to block vonage or skype over wireless broadband? What about other Internet services? Why VZW and not FiOS?
Does it matter if it "threatens" them or not? Broadband is broadband is broadband. Wired or wireless. Charge for it what the market will accept, but don't manage it. | |
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| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Re: WTH would they pick OpenDNS It's always about greed.
If some third party company makes a small amount of money providing a useful service, they want that money too, without any of the aforementioned useful service. So they move to just shut them out and down, without consent or considering the wishes of their existing captive users.
America is being destroyed at every level by rampant greed.
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|  FreedomBuildWell done is better than well saidPremium
join:2004-10-08
Rockford, IL | As long as our system (trusted elected official) are bought and paid for, Its the good ship lolly pop...
Or so they say | |
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KermeePremium
join:2006-04-28
Seattle, WA | It's not always black & white... As a Network Architect for more than a decade... I would be surprised if this would fall under 'network neutrality', even more so since the FCC really doesn't have that much "bite" anyway. Least with the current laws and policies in the United States.
There are many reasons to "block" the use of 3rd party and external DNS servers from an ISP standpoint which includes security (i.e. walled garden, DNS proxying TXT records data, etc.) and forcing a user to use a particular set of DNS servers.
Don't get me wrong... I'm sure VZN is blocking OpenDNS for 'monetary' reasons and not 'security' reasons. But I certainly hope that laws and policies don't over-correct the other way around.
Cheers,
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|  MooJohn
join:2005-12-18
Milledgeville, GA
·Windstream
| Re: It's not always black & white... What's next? Requiring the use of only their email service? You can visit sites only hosted by them? Who do they think they are -- 1993 AOL?
I say Don't touch my (DNS) junk!!
If I want to communicate with a remote server over a standardized protocol I should be able to regardless of my ISP.
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| | chuckkk
join:2001-11-10
Warner Robins, GA Reviews:
·Cox HSI
| Re: It's not always black & white... "Requiring the use of only their email service"
Cox already does this to many users by blocking common ports used for Email to other than Cox's Email servers. The ports are related to sending email. It's almost a game, in that alternate ports can be used until Cox decides to block them also. | |
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| | | said by Kermee:As a Network Architect for more than a decade... I would be surprised if this would fall under 'network neutrality'
There are many reasons to "block" the use of 3rd party and external DNS servers from an ISP standpoint which includes security (i.e. walled garden, DNS proxying TXT records data, etc.) and forcing a user to use a particular set of DNS servers.
No sane operator in their right mind uses DNS to implement a walled garden because it does not prevent access to the underlying network and using DNS to implement a captive portal is a non-starter because the CPE, OS and browsers all cache name records. This only causes users to be pissed after they've authenticated and still can't access their favorite web site because of a bogus cached DNS entry that will linger for some time. (Assuming the lowest possible TTL)
If you limit DNS as part of an access control to prevent the user from accessing the outside network.. I don't see how this would still be relevant to this topic regarding what Verizon is doing? What is the reason for still blocking DNS *after* they are granted full access to the Internet?
The only "security" reasons for I see for doing this is a half-assed attempt at mitigating spoofed DNS replies. Reasonable ACLs at the ISP ingress would seem to me to be just as effective, the ISPs name cache can be spoofed just as easily as the clients resolver.
I'm not asserting valid reasons don't exist... I just have no idea what one would actually look like. | |
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brawneyPremium
join:2002-03-02
Frederick, MD | I use the filtering provided by OpenDNS I use the free filtering service to block unwanted sites for every user in my house. It happens to be free, but they have paid services too. So why should my ISP (Comcast) be allowed to block my access to a service provided by OpenDNS? Is Comcast going to provide the same filtering service for me, for the same price (free)? I know we're not talking about Comcast blocking here, but apparently there is a fear that land line providers will start blocking OpenDNS too.
This is crazy. Its a paid or free opt-in service. Next thing you know the ISP will be able to block my access to YouTube or Flickr or something else. | |
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| | Alternative from Google I use OpenDNS as my primary DNS servers personally, but just so everyone is aware, Google does provide alternative free dns services for public usage - I happen to use them as my dns backup in case OpenDNS goes down (which it has in the past).
They are:
8.8.8.8
8.8.4.4
»code.google.com/speed/public-dns···ing.html | |
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|  cvrefugeePremium
join:2003-09-15
Riverside, CA
kudos:7 | I've been having slow web browsing for days and I just figured out that AT&T's DNS servers were the culprit. I switched over to Google DNS and everything is much faster. One of my mom's Facebook games will actually load now, lol. | |
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 beckPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-29
On The Road
kudos:1
 ·Stablehost.com
| No wonder The DNS servers for Verizon wireless are timeout nightmares. I've had to revert to them since I couldn't get OpenDNS to work at all the past month or so.
This really tics me off. IF they can block us using another DNS service, then they can make servers that actually WORK!!!!!
Stupid greedy a**holes.
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| | Many ISPs will soon block 3rd party DNS servers Some of the IPv6 migration solutions require DNS servers to intercept requests, and return forged responses to the ISPs 4to6 proxies. The responses are coordinated with the proxy, so that the proxy knows where the actual IPv6 destination is. 6to4 might do the same thing, certainly the reverse variation would be useful for IPv6-only users to access IPv4 sites.
But the key to the whole thing is that DNS requests have to be thru the ISPs DNS server.
Verizon Wireless may be in the beginning stages of this implementation. | |
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Ulmo
join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA | Not pure Internet if DNS blocked It's not pure Internet if the DNS is blocked. Since they are editing the connection, they are no longer Common Carriers, and also, they have changed the terms of service of the connection and therefore you have no ETF if you quit the contract. (Be sure to send a USPS letter in writing to customer service AND the corporate office and get a certified return receipt, then follow up in 10 days by phone to cancel service "per the letter to avoid ETF", and don't wait any longer for cancellation of service, and if they don't respond, followup with another letter stating that you're not waiting for them to follow the law and you will only send what is due until they received the original letter.)
I have an app on my Android called "AdFree" that updates the software on the phone itself to block advertisements. So, therefore, we can go one step closer to block Verizon's ads. (That program requires root access to your Android.)
Also, OpenDNS can use encrypted UDP or TCP protocol to serve queries. A tcp protocol would just keep an open channel or two between the device and OpenDNS's servers the whole time the device is on (a second channel would be used if the first doesn't respond quickly, thus short-circuiting the delay retries with TCP; the normal DNS protocol -> TCP engine can round-robin those queries, slowly bringing up new TCP connections and reaping old ones as needed). It could be on port 443 or whatever. OpenDNS can rent IP#s from various other ISPs to mask their servers. | |
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| | Don't like Open DNS Actually I found Open DNS slower in Ping response and had more issues with Domain's then Comcast's own DNS servers. I think this is probably due to Open DNS and their rapid expansion. My advise is too just use your ISP's DNS default unless you find a issue with it.
Personally I think way too many people give the advice of switching to a separate DNS to solve problems not related to a DNS issue. | |
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| syslockPremium
join:2007-02-03
Honolulu, HI Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Comcast
| Re: Don't lBike Open DNS I did find a problem with it. That's why I stopped using the big C's junk when they had all those massive DNS outages a few years back.
Burn me once shame on you....
You are not going to burn me twice.
You can spin it now all you want....
That was then... This is Comcast.
Same Old Same Old from Philly and the departments that
fight with another in West Chester.
Having a backup way to be able to stay on line when
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| scooper
join:2000-07-11
Youngsville, NC
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Embarq Now Centu..
| Re: Don't like Open DNS Actually - my usual advise is to use several different ones - openDNS as one, my ISP's DNS as another, Google's as another, the 4.1.1.x as yet another. The idea here is to have seamless transition to different DNS. Obviously - you would want to put your fastest DNS servers as the first ones to goto. Steve Gibson has a tool to help determine that on his site (grc.com).
And yes - I have in the past run my own caching DNS servers . It's a really great idea especially if you go to the same sites over and over (such as DSLReports ). But until your cache is built, it's not much better than going to the root servers. | |
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 SeleniaI love DebianPremium
join:2006-09-22
Lanesboro, MA
kudos:2 | Has David gone off the deep end? I use OpenDNS daily over Verizon Wireless and never an issue. Even the landing page of OpenDNS works when you typo. Tested over phone and laptop(phone is AT&T, but running over Verizon Wireless Mifi2200, just like the laptop).
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| LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: Has David gone off the deep end? said by Selenia:I use OpenDNS daily over Verizon Wireless and never an issue. Even the landing page of OpenDNS works when you typo. Tested over phone and laptop(phone is AT&T, but running over Verizon Wireless Mifi2200, just like the laptop).
The Washington Post story was updated to show claim by Verizon that they are not blocking OpenDNS.
update: A Verizon Wireless spokeswoman said Monday its network engineers "see no issue from our end" and that the service isn't being blocked. | |
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LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Another Net Neutrality "violation" debunked.
»www.digitalsociety.org/2010/11/a···ebunked/
In yet another case of a made-up conspiracy like the Craigslist blocking incident to drum up support for Internet regulation, OpenDNS founder David Ulevitch is misleading the public about Verizon Wireless supposedly blocking OpenDNS servers. Ulevitch claims that Verizon Wireless is blocking OpenDNS which is an ad-supported Domain Name Service (DNS).
I’ve asked various people to test OpenDNS blocking who have access to Verizon Wireless and I’ve gotten a response from someone within Verizon. He tested his Verizon Wireless data service from a PC tethered to his Droid (Android OS) phone and verified that OpenDNS is not blocked. To verify this personally, I went to a Verizon Wireless store and tested a netbook with built-in Verizon 3G access. I successfully queried an OpenDNS server using the “nslookup” command proving that Verizon Wireless was not blocking access to OpenDNS. I also bought a 2-year contract with free MiFi device and tested it on my own computer from home and OpenDNS still works perfectly fine.
So what in the world could Ulevitch be complaining about? Is it the Android OS based phones which has nothing to do with the network? I quick Google search on Android OS DNS settings is that it’s easy to set in Wi-Fi but the setting is less exposed in the mobile network interface (3G). But the 5th search result pointing to a forum post at XDA-Developers indicates that the setting can be configured with the “setprop” command in Android OS (which is a Linux based operating system).
Furthermore, the bigger threat and alternative to OpenDNS is Google DNS which is a faster DNS service because Google owns more servers that are distributed across the Internet. So it’s Google that Mr. Ulevitch should be concerned about and not some imaginary blocking at Verizon Wireless.
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| | It Appears that Verizon Fios in Cali is Also.... It appears that Verizon Fios is doing something to screw with people using Open DNS. When I switched my DNS this weekend, everything started slowing down. I went back to my old settings, and my speeds are going back up. | |
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