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Riverside, CA
1 edit | Big deal Who cares?
300 people without fiber OH NO!
Thousands loose their cooper lines and have no phone service daily.
Where are their backup cell phones?
This sounds like anti-fiber propaganda, OR anti-AT&T vomit. | |
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join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX
| Re: Big deal Well, having read the newspaper article link, it mentions cut wires, not fiber, so what is it? copper or fiber?
As for digging in rainy conditions, and trying to keep from having the excavation cave in, should the workers go ahead without protection and then get buried by a cave in? | |
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roamer1
sticking it out at you
join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
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| Re: Big deal said by Austinloop  :Well, having read the newspaper article link, it mentions cut wires, not fiber, so what is it? copper or fiber? Sounds like copper...a fiber cut normally affects a lot more than 350 subs.
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Persona
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join:2004-07-07
Gravenhurst, ON | Re: Big deal Interesting comment...we all know that it was originally put in for its huge carrying capacity and not its robustness. So what are they doing, running it everywhere now?
Better to keep it well protected as trunk. | |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
| said by tacoma :This sounds like anti-fiber propaganda, OR anti-AT&T vomit. More like a slow news day. | |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA
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| Not the AT&T of yore I recognize the scale and complexity of AT&T's network, but what happened to 99.999% availability, disaster recovery, SONET rings, n to n redundancy, FASTAR, etc, etc.
Oh wait, I know. All the people that used to make all this work are now gone. GONE! It doesn't matter how automated the network is, it needs people to run it. | |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
1 edit | Re: Not the AT&T of yore Well considering this is 200 (since 100 are already back up) of how many million? 99.999% doesn't seem too far off.
Meanwhile no network, whether electricity, water, or information technology can defend itself from construction workers tearing up infrastructure or other accident.
Again, this is only 200 customers, not 200,000. A car crashing into a cable box on the street or into a telephone pole would bring down more customers.
This isn't news other than touting the reliablility of service such that such a small outage makes news. | |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | Re: Not the AT&T of yore Maybe it wasn't a written-in-stone guarantee? Five 9's reliability is expected unless you are in a developing nation. | |
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manfmmd
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Earth
clubs: | Re: Not the AT&T of yore People "expect" too much. | |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | Re: Not the AT&T of yore People expect reliability, because that's what we're used to.
What happened? When did we lose "developed nation" status? | |
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join:2004-08-05
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| Re: Not the AT&T of yore said by JTRockville :What happened? When did we lose "developed nation" status? When did we get arbitrary reasons for five "9s" availability? | |
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manfmmd
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join:2003-01-14
Earth
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| We haven't, but I find it unreasonable to expect that there will NEVER be an outage and am slightly offended with people that take the "sky is falling" mentality when there is an outage. What did people ever do before 911, cell phones, cable TV, and other such "services" before they existed? The answer is, they managed to survive.
Maybe people need to get up once in a while and take a walk and stop worrying so damn much about everything.
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join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| said by JTRockville :People expect reliability, because that's what we're used to. What happened? When did we lose "developed nation" status? Yeah, I bet they never have cable cuts in Nigeria. By your reasoning AT&T should take down service once a week so people like you won't develop an entitlement mentality that leads them to expect that their service should not go down EVER for any reason at all, including cable cuts. | |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA | Re: Not the AT&T of yore Ha-ha-ha!
Actually, they did a few years back, but then let me go. | |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
| said by JTRockville :Maybe it wasn't a written-in-stone guarantee? Five 9's reliability is expected unless you are in a developing nation. Even with that arbitrary expectation, you think there is currently more than 1 in 100,000 in the US with POTS down at any particular moment? I don't. I would be interested to see what nation has more reliable and inexpensive telecommunication services than we do. | |
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| RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | This is not a fiber cut...
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| dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| said by verolom :I recognize the scale and complexity of AT&T's network, but what happened to 99.999% availability, disaster recovery, SONET rings, n to n redundancy, FASTAR, etc, etc. Oh wait, I know. All the people that used to make all this work are now gone. GONE! It doesn't matter how automated the network is, it needs people to run it. Yeah, I guess they fired the armed guards stationed every 1/4 mile along buried cable routes to make sure some idiot Backhoe Bob doesn't cut the lines because he didn't call for a cable locate before digging.
No written SLA I'm aware of can stop a cable-seeking backhoe. AT&T went so far as to provide people with cell phones because of a cut, the fix for which required digging up a street and splicing in trenches in the rain. No reasonable person (and I know that doesn't cover half of BBR readership, including the editors) could expect them to do more than that.
But yeah, they're yet another Big Evil Greedy Corporation for not providing each and every home access to a SONET ring for their $30/month POTS service.  | |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11
 ·AT&T Midwest
| Inaccurate First off, the cable cut in Naperville is a good old-fashioned garden-variety copper-hit-with-construction-equipment outage. How this is relevant to fiber only the editor knows.
Second, "[t]he outage occurred around noon Thursday after a third-party contractor cut through cables while working on an electrical upgrade project" implies that this was Naperville's municipal-owned electric company's fault. I hope that AT&T sends Naperville a bit fat bill for the repair.
Lastly, nowhere in the cited Naperville Sun story is there any substantiation for the claim that "companies will have to work harder to meet the emergency telecommunications needs of their customers". AT&T is doing what they always do...provide either 911-only wireless phones for small outages (which this is) or trailers with phones parked in affected areas for larger outages. They've also made the wireless phones available to Naperville police for distribution.
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
1 edit | This isn't news Service outages in all utilities happen and shockingly there is always at least 1 person somewhere who has a utility down.
What's next? A DSLR article about 8 people at a bowling alley suffering a beer tap outage? Then again, it's the NFL playoffs and a beer outage could be considered a major problem. | |
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Evil_Icon
Digital Pimp
join:2003-02-24
Bossier City, LA | Re: This isn't news I agree with Tacoma 100%. | |
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envoid
join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA
| find it funny... There's almost never a day that you don't hear about an outage of either gas, electricity, phone, whatever by some idiot contractor who didn't know wtf they were doing these days. They need to make the fines bigger for this so the contracting company actually spends time finding where the cables and pipes are. | |
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| Tigerpaw509
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join:2006-07-15
Huntley, IL | Re: find it funny... Wake me up after the pit is ready,then I'll start splicing | |
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