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P800 - Is it time for a 2.5g phone?
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(old news - 10:47PM Thursday May 29 2003)
tags: wireless · hardware
I've had a chance to play with a Sony Ericsson P800, on T-mobile, for the last little while, a much heralded "2.5g" cellphone. I have a bit of a phone fetish. So how do I like this current darling of the phone fansites?

I've used a RIM Blackberry as a portable email inbox for over a year, but when I saw that the SE P800 phone offered POP3 email handling, handwriting recognition, SMS, and a no compromise phone, all in one package, I was keen to try it out. It seemed on paper like a better option than the new phone enabled blackberry.

Since the P800 is a GSM tri-band phone, and I am a t-mobile GSM customer, it is painless to transfer ones SIM card from ones old phone to a later model one, no matter if the phone was purchases from ebay, or from a UK store with a US outlet on the web. All hail the advantages of GSM, over Sprint phones!

So I ordered the full package. The P800, a 128mb memory stick, a bluetooth headset, and a bluetooth USB adaptor for my home PC. Ouch! thats a lot of money! In theory, this combination would give me seamless (and wireless) operation between my PC and the phone, and offer a neat wireless star-trek like headset as well, for driving, or just looking like an idiot at the local coffee shop.

First impressions.

The phone itself is a fairly hefty item compared to recent samsung or other japanese handsets. Weighing in at about 150grams, it is literally twice as heavy as the latest clamshell or stick designs. the case is also not nearly as sturdy looking, with visible joins, in a flimsy plastic and a cheesy baby blue color (a grey color is reportedly now available as a choice). Although enthusiasts report dropping their P800 without breaking it, I don't feel that any device over 100 grams can survive too many trips out of a shirt pocket onto concrete.


Rather thin plastic, don't you think?


The semi opaque plastic flip, which contains the keypad, and uses the backlit screen as a backlight for the numbers, is the first decision for any new P800 owner. To remove or not to remove? It seems that SE couldn't decide either, so they included an additional plastic cover that obscures the hinge should you wish to remove the flip completely. The user interface on the phone without a flip changes slightly as well. Certainly the phone looks better flip removed, but operating it one handed without a flip is more difficult, and unclipping the attached stylus do do anything (with no flip, fingers cannot operate the user interface so well) is a pain.



Key Features

Anyone who reads specs or glowing reviews of the P800 soon finds out the following: the phone is a digital camera. It can also play compressed video clips (although not as yet record them). It plays music such as mp3s and other formats. It is an organiser, with a task list, calendar, jotter for pictures or notes. It also is able to browse the web either with its built in browser or with a free version of Opera. It is an email client too, able to use POP and IMAP email servers, and display microsoft office and acrobat attachments as well as text. It can of course send or receive pictures as well. Quite a list! in fact, if all things go well, it challenges your digitial camera, your mp3 player, your PDA, your blackberry and your laptop or palmtop PC, to all put themselves into a drawer and start gathering dust.


The application list. With a tiny scroll bar.


The Reality

Unfortunately the reality, as I soon found out playing around with it over the last few days, is that the P800 excels at nothing, and has a number of annoying drawbacks.

The Camera


Digital camera vs phone. Click for full size.


Is good for headshots or fun shots only. Although the resolution is not impossibly bad, the colors are far less vibrant than any average digital camera, the merest hint of grease on the lens (easy as it has no cover, and is indented on the case of the camera) blurs any picture, and the quality indoors is terrible (no flash, of course). Since the focus is fixed, you can't even use it like a "spy camera" to snap documents.


Keeping the lens clean is a fulltime job


The email client

The email client can be set, if you have bottomless pockets (see GPRS charges, later), and a bottomless battery (see battery, later), to check your email box at most every 15 minutes. For anyone coming from the "push" world of a blackberry, this alone makes the email function unacceptable. Even if urgency is of no consequence, typing more than a word or two in reply to an email is like assembling a tiny jigsaw puzzle with gloves on, as the on-screen keyboard is just too narrow for the stylus to use quickly. So the email client is reduced to one for sending an unprompted message to a friend of the variety of "hey! I got a new phone! check out this attached picture!".

The SMS/MMS system

MMS, the multi-media extension to SMS, is not available on all networks yet, and/or costs extra. I did not try MMS. SMS works ok, but as the phone currently lacks predictive text input, or "t9" - that most useful of inventions that makes one handed message sending so possible - SMS becomes a sit down with two-hands experience. Otherwise, SMS functions are as you'd expect. The extra memory of the phone means you can accumulate many more SMS messages before being forced to delete old ones.

The organizer

The personal organizer functions of the P800 are fairly basic. On a par with the first palms, with one exception: the designers assumed everyone would be using either lotus notes, lotus organizer, or microsoft office outlook for the PC end. So without one of those, the P800 comes with no PC support for keeping your organizer tidy from your desktop PC. Your PC is relegated to just backing up the phone, and to installing new software (more about software, later).

Jot - handwriting recognition

Jot is actually quite good, after you unlearn the palm way of doing things. It actually mirrors real penmanship more than the palm system. Unfortunately, you "jot" on the screen itself - over the application. Since tapping on the screen also functions to operate the user interface and move from field to field, you can easily get in a twist, as the phone has to make guesses about whether the current twiddle is a letter, or a tap. I much prefer a dedicated writing area than over-screen jotting. The included stylus, by the way, is awful. Like holding one of those plastic disposable tooth floss tools. It clips into the side of the phone, and is also (becaue of its insubstantial weight) fiddly to re-attach and detach.

The browser

It seems that the speed of web surfing depends on the quality of your GPRS network. Frankly, t-mobile US GPRS could use a LOT of work. I've used GPRS over t-mobile via an older more basic samsung, and over the last six months I'd say that 1 time out of 10 the GPRS network is either dead slow or unavailable. It is also usuriously priced, with GPRS data add-on packages giving the extremely ungenerous allowance of 50mb of data per month for $100 per month. Ideas of whiling away the outdoor hours browsing news stories and other web trivial pursuits, fly out the window.

Data transfer speed

Data once it gets going, flows at a reasonable rate, a little faster than a 56k modem. But there appear to be considerable delays (at least over t-mobile USA network) with the whole connection setup process. Expect to wait 20 seconds or more in order to see the start of the most basic page, or outright failures and error messages. Just as I am writing this, GPRS is failing to allow any kind of connection at all in my t-mobile cell ("could not locate remote server news.google.com").

Pricing for GPRS (t-mobile) currently runs at $20 for 5mb, $40 for 20mb, $60 for 50mb and $100 for 200mb. Thats right, $100 a month for 200mb - something even the most basic DSL line could download in just 10 minutes. All plans charge for overage - from $5 to $2 per megabyte extra. In playing (not using) around with the P800 for a couple of days, I've racked up 1.5mb downloaded. So I'd need to pay $60 a month in order to keep even these small browsing habits.


Viewing news.google.com - once - ate 1/5th of a days data transfer for the 20mb plan


Games

Because the P800 processor is on a par with an early 486, and there is a fair amount of free memory, a number of old school emulators have appeared for the phone, and if you are mind-melded with the warez scene, you can download enough sega and other game roms to sink your 128mb memory stick. Unfortunately, playing any game on the P800 eats the battery over lunchtime. I feel that investing in a gameboy SP is both a cheaper and more satisfying solution to portable game cravings. (plus the SP manages to game for 18 hours straight, with a backlit screen AND proper input buttons).

The mp3 player

I'm sure the phone does ok as an mp3 player. I didnt bother trying it. My existing mp3 player is more suited to the task. Even with the maximum sized 128mb memory stick, after reserving some space for other things, you cannot fit more than an hour or two of decent quality (128k+) mp3s on the card anyway. Having the phone be an mp3 player is of little use covergence wise, in my mind, because data transfer costs mean you are not going to be listening to streaming mp3s, or be getting new mp3s over the phone, any time this decade. The same goes but double for streaming or downloadable video. The phone can play (poor quality) video clips, but I've yet to locate a reason you'd want it to.

The bluetooth headset

The wireless headset is neat. It sits comfortably over the ear and cannot fall off. You can touch a button on the side to connect to the phone to voice dial, or pickup a call. You can also tell the phone voice commands for refusing a call, or tag anyone in the address book with a voice command. Standby time on the headset is ok, but talk time is poor. Having to worry about recharging (and yet another power brick) for the headset, is a pain. Since bluetooth should be turned off on the phone for battery conservation reasons, using the headset actually becomes a multiple step process.

Bluetooth ate my wifi

Speaking of bluetooth, it seems that standards organisations do not always get on with each other. Despite knowing that 802.11b and bluetooth are likely to interfere with each other (they both operate in the same spectrum), the industry churned out both standards. Although interference is likely to vary depending on ones setup, distance between stations, equipment choices, and so on, the end result is that when my bluetooth phone talks to my desktop PC, my wifi stops working COMPLETELY. To say I am upset about this is an understatement.

The phone itself

Ok, first and foremost, this P800 is a phone. How does it do? the answer is, it does ok. Voices are clear and signal strength is fine, although at first the quality sounded a little "hollow" compared to my old GSM phone. It also has a reasonably usable speaker phone mode. The phone integrates itself with the rest of the P800 applications reasonably well - if you associate a picture with an address book entry, and that person calls, their picture appears. You can have the phone prompt you to add contacts as new numbers are seen, it keeps track of calls and so on. Given the P800 can play mp3s, it is no surprise that you can have a ringtone be anything you want, from midi, to WAV samples to other formats - including record your own voice.


The phone with flip


My kingdom for a nuclear battery

The specs on the phone prove yet again the standby times in hours are the biggest lie since ghetto blasters stuck wattage stickers on their speakers. I believe the phone advertises 400 hours standby time. Wait, thats almost TWO WEEKS! In reality, I get little more than half a day (12 hours) out of it, because I want to actually use it a bit - view news.google.com and maybe read a couple of stories. Enter or edit something in the address book, fiddle around with the todo list. Change some settings, use bluetooth to install some software perhaps. Take a call or three. Make one or two calls. Nothing like the amount of time I'd use my blackberry in a day, but a little more use than locking it in a dark room with the screen off and no calls coming in! I believe that keeping bluetooth on all the time (in order to use the headset, for instance), setting up the "magic word" feature (so that you can auto-dial by voice command), and not religiously closing all applications in case they chew up CPU, drains the battery even more!

The phone charges in the cradle quite quickly, but this is not a phone for mobile road warriors.

The "free" software situation

Symbian has a growing collection of 'palmish' application developers working to patch over the holes in the OS and add specialized functions. Unfortunately my experience with some of this software is that is is both revision 1.0 quality (buggy) and yet also everyone and their dog wants to charge you 14.95 after you've played with their application for a day or so. Hmm. Not impressive. My memories of Palm software scene was the nagware and chargeware appeared later in the product cycle, after developers really got to grips with the APIs and started to turn out really useful applications.

Conclusion

Devices like the P800 are not really ready for mass market, they appeal to the gadget obsessed - someone who does not mind that their thousand dollar (including headset and memory stick) swiss army knife phone, when looked at function by function, is almost a throwback to 1989. As a vehicle to show stuff off, the P800 is without peer, but after you've finished showing your friends neat tricks, and have to run for a recharger, is it really useful? not to me: the networks are not really ready for the devices, and neither are the batteries. The operating system is quirky and not bullet proof (although under continual update - although unfortunately new releases of symbian are not user installable!), and the software is more frustrating for what it leaves out, than what it includes.

Critically, the lack of proper email push functionality (as offered by blackberry) and the expense of GPRS data packets, mean that the world is not going to be moving beyond SMS on their phone for a good few years yet. I've no idea how the Japanese cellphone industry and cellular networks manage to offer 80gram phones with color screens, that keep commuters occupied for hours over i-mode, without battery life issues, but they do. We're not there yet.

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BrushedTooth
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Nice

That is one of the better reviews I have read for the P800, you might want to checkout the Nokia 6800 it is going to have a RIM client later this summer
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[text was edited by author 2003-05-29 23:03:11]

justin
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Re: Nice

sure, I think I'll duck out of the market for a year and watch, just after I finish packing all this gear for ebay!

sporkme
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Re: Nice

Sounds like the best thing about the P800 is that it will help drop the price of the old T68i as the early adopters rush toward the new "must have" phone.

I've been very happy with my not-so-feature-filled T68i. I don't use GPRS because the charges are unbearable, but the standard data access only costs minutes from your plan, and that's plenty fast for the tiny browser.

I have an email account just for the phone, and T-Mobile polls it every 3 minutes or so. If there's a new message, I get it within 3 minutes, which is fast enough for me.

And so far I have had zero problems with bluetooth and my wi-fi network. I can keep a connection with the phone from about 30 feet away. I'm able to sync my simple calendar and address book both ways, and see a popup on my laptop when the phone rings (and just push it to voicemail or type an SMS in response). Then again, I'm not using a PeeCee, so maybe having a good 10" between the USB port where the bluetooth adapter goes and the 802.11b antenna is an advantage here.

And the T68i is small.

BrushedTooth
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Re: Nice

Actually the SE T610 has helped the T68i price drop as it is the replacement for the T68i, we should see the T616 in the NA. I might actually end up getting one, well after that new PowerBook 15.4" is released.
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bhhurd
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It was a pleasure to read an objective review.

Kevin
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Thanks!

I've been watching this phone for some time now, it seemed very interesting. I wish you could have been more satisfied with the phone, but I'm afraid your review is pretty much dead-on. 99% of people are not ready for such complicated phones and even fewer people have such a need, besides the occasional demo to friends.
Maybe in time there will be phones that can satisfy all of our needs, but I haven't seen it yet.

Thanks again for the review, it was very educational.

P.S.
Maybe you should try out one of Microsoft's new phones.
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[text was edited by author 2003-05-30 00:09:51]

SterlingJ85
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WTF?

What is with the rediculous GPRS data costs?
Bandwidth isn't so scarce that you need to charge rediculous prices for 1 or 3 MB a MONTH.
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BrushedTooth
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Re: WTF?

I believe many of the cell sites that have GPRS also have a T1 running to them to provide the data, so imagine all those sites and that is where you get the costs.

It is rumored that AT&T has unlimted GPRS for $24.99, which isn't too bad. I can't wait for unlimted EDGE
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SterlingJ85
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Well, I guess if I ever needed truely wireless access.

I'd forget GSM altogether and go with Verizon's CDMA Express Network (1xRTT), 144Kbps Unlimited for $79 a month.

LiLTizz
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Re: WTF?

stickin with my attws mmode and sony ericsson T68i for a while, bought the snap on cam, chatboard and bluetooth headset that'll be it for the next year atleast.

teambnet
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Yeah that seems to be the ticket.

I'm currently piddling along on Sprint at 14.4 with my Kyocera 3025 but none of the new phones have PC hook ups- apparently everyone just wants to browse web sites and send stupid low rez pictures. Sony doesn't seem to be interested in making my Clie' hook up to anyone else's phone so my mobile access needs (PCAW and W2K term serv) will be be migrating to Verizon next month.

SterlingJ85
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I'm currently on Verizon CSD (14.4 Kbps), and my god.. I couldn't take it if this was my only connection. If you ever think dialup is bad, use Circuit Switched Data on a cell phone!
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bhhurd
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Re: WTF?

I would not be satisfied if CSD were the only option that I have. However, it is adequate for text email, and many web sites (like this one). It is available almost everywhere I have traveled in the US.

calvoiper

join:2003-03-31
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I'm missing the connection here....

Great review, but what does it have to do with Broadband? Or is there some perverse contention that 2.5G data should be considered Broadband? (If there is, I'm gonna be ill...)

Calvoiper, the party pooper
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Kevin
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Re: I'm missing the connection here....

Surely you've noticed that this site deals with a heck of a lot more than just broadband.

Besides, Justin owns the site; he can do a restaurant review on the front page if he wants to.
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justin
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Re: I'm missing the connection here....

yeah! in fact, there is this great restaurant that just opened up nearby..

but anyway its kind of broadband related. gprs is marketed as wireless data, faster than 56k. One day that stuff (data without wires) might replace broadband entirely, so best to keep an eye on it.

HardwareLust
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Man, that would be SO cool to see Justin review his favorite restaurant on Page 1... C'mon Justin, do it for us! Hey, IIRC, McDonalds is going to start offering wireless in their restaurants...you could review that. Wi-fi + Big Mac = Geek Heaven!
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justin
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Re: I'm missing the connection here....

barf.

calvoiper

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Re: I'm missing the connection here....

Uhhh, sorry Justin. But a report on MackieD's WiFi would be attractive. I'm a sausage burrito breakfast man, myself.

Calvoiper
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bhhurd
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GPRS has been hyped as a high speed connection. Unfortunately, the reality is that GPRS is rather slow and very expensive.
bmn
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And uhm...

Being a person who hates cell phones...

Why the hell would you want THAT much crap on a phone ?! I remember using a phone to make phone calls not long ago.

Kevin
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Re: And uhm...

Why? Because I'm more likely to forget my wallet than my cell phone. it's convenient to have all of these features at the tip of your fingers. I mean geez.. if it looks cloudy outside, I can pull up an animated radar image of my area within a minute and see what's coming my way.
I also like tetris.
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bmn
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Re: And uhm...

said by Kevin See Profile:
I also like tetris.
That's been the only saving grace of the cell phone besides its usefulness in emergencies...

But damn Kev, you might as well get a laptop.
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DavidD6

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*sigh*

Wow Justin, great review... I just wish you had good things to say because I thought this phone would be the answer to all my needs. Doesn't look like it.

So my question is, what should I buy? I need a phone/PDA that is going to work well with Outlook.

I've been seriously thinking about the PocketPCs that have cellular service, but they're just so BIG and I want a phone like the Sony that would fit in my pocket.

My concern with most of the small cellphones is that the screen is just TOO small. I know, I'm picky. But that's why I was hoping the P800 would be so good -- because the screen is huge and the device overall is small.

*sigh* What to do?
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mc5w

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Re: *sigh*

Yeah. The screens are so small that if you were to put a radar weather map on you would need a big clunky magnifying glass. In the alternative you would need to run a cable from the phone to a laptop which is also clunky.

Now, if the cellular telephone core could be installed INSIDE of a laptop, you would have an appliance that really is useful.

The ringers on these phones are so puny that if your boss in a factory calls you, you can't hear!

sporkme
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Re: *sigh*

said by mc5w See Profile:
In the alternative you would need to run a cable from the phone to a laptop which is also clunky.
Nope, that's the wonder of bluetooth. No wires between the laptop and the phone. Newer Macs have this built-in, for computers without, the dongle is about $30.

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the screen is fine if the application is designed for it. People in the UK can subscribe to an application that shows them traffic congestion on major roads realtime over GPRS. It seems to look and work really well.

So it just depends if a website or app is designed to use the screen real estate well.

I'd look at the latest blackberry again. It does email very well, and claims a decent gsm/gprs phone.

spaijkull
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Re: *sigh*

Yeah the P800 is a fun piece of hardware, I have one myself. But seriously, the GPRS technology is nothing but utter POS for browsing in terms of acceptable speeds. The only technology that has acceptable speed is the new 3g (or UMTS) technology. The 3g launch is close here in Sweden but I have had the pleasure of having one of these phones fow a month now. 384 kbit straight down in my laptop, and it has really been a delightful experience. Only thing im waiting for now is Ericssons/Nokias/Motorolas new 3G beatuies. Hopefully you will see the light of it in the US too soon. Otherwise a good review.
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Kron

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Wait for the Sx1. It is the smallest of the v60 series models (phone/pda), so far. I really wished Nokia 3650 was smaller, and had a more compact design. It seemed their rushed the delivery. For sure, Siemens is taking it's sweet time with SX1.
james_20

join:2001-04-18
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The Evolution Data Only (EvDO) network

The Evolution Data Only (EvDO) network
During preliminary tests that Verizon Wireless conducted in an area from Falls Church to Rockville, people could download files while on the go at speeds from 300 to 600 kilobits per second, or about five to 10 times as fast as a dial-up modem. While stationary, users could access the Internet at speeds up to 2.4 megabits per second, about 60 percent faster than a cable modem.

i hope this will bring down the cost for the Express Network
i'm sure the new network speed will cost

»www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy···und=true

BrushedTooth
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Re: The Evolution Data Only (EvDO) network

Actually as providers move towards "True" 3G the operating costs for each new technology is less a good example is the move from GPRS to EDGE, which also frees up times slots.

These new speeds that we should see in around 2005-2006, should be quite nice but will still be burdend by being a new network, the problem with USA and cellular networks is we do not use them like in Asian and European Countries, where it is very common for your SMS bill to be more than your minutes usage, another common use for this high-speed networks in such countries is porn.
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JNavas

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Not for everyone, not without flaws, but useful

Although I agree with much of this review, I think it's a bit harsh, and unfairly dings the phone for some issues:

* The screen is superb -- bright, sharp, clear, and big. It does eat the battery pretty fast, but that's to be expected -- there is no free lunch -- and battery life is still reasonable in normal usage. (If you need more battery life, I think I've seen an AA external pack that greatly increases runtime over the internal battery.)

* Application support is limited, but coming along. I've installed Opera, screen capture (which this review needed), and task switcher. All are free and excellent. I'm looking forward to a mapping application for use with Bluetooth GPS.

* Web access with Opera is incredibly good.

* The email client is very good.

* Once you get used to it -- took me a day or two -- input with handwriting recognition is fast, better than T9. Likewise the on-screen keyboard, which works pretty well with practice.

* The MP3 player is nice to have, and 128 MB is fine for my needs. (Although the built-in MP3 player is pretty basic, improved player apps should appear in time.)

The not so good:

* The phone is a bit chunky by current standards.

* The included case lacks a belt loop or clip -- you have to buy the Business Kit to get a holster.

* The camera is indeed mediocre compared to even a low-end digicam, and I'd personally rather have a smaller phone without the camera, but I still find it useful or fun from time to time.

* The plastic case does indeed seem a bit flimsy and cheesy.

* Options for importing/exporting contacts are too limited.

Comments on the review:

* GPRS cost, availability, and speed are more carrier (T-mobile) issues than phone issues. GPRS response and speed on Cingular in California are good.

* Email push is best handled by your carrier/provider with SMS.

bhhurd
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Re: Not for everyone, not without flaws, but useful

Superb screen? When Samsung, LG, and most other Japanese and Korean handset makers are doing 64K and 256K screens, how can a 4K screen be anything beyond mediocre?

Willow71

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P800 has top specs

256K screen for the moby device...Hmm ok, but why? I guess you could brag about it. Functionality 0% CPU load 50% or more. Start thinking practically instead of getting hi with specs that actually have no functionality whatsoever over speed. It is a phone but on the other hand it is a fully functional PDA. I'm a software engineer for the Palm OS platform and I can tell you that the P800 has much more functionality to offer than an out of the box Palm OS device. Bottom line is this. You want a nail size phone so you can lose it in the abyss of your pocket with the usual apps go for a typical Nokia. You want a device that has specs that NO other phone has yes (not even future models of top brands) go for the P800. Perhaps we should go easier on the reviews when we get to see the Contacts app for example of a mobile phone and we expect the functionality and flexibility of Microsoft Outlook. Wake up people. P800 has by far the TOP specs from ANY other mobile phone on the planet.
kevibuoy

join:2003-12-20
Nashua, NH

I would agree with this review...

Even tho I was thrilled when I first got my P800 about 2months ago... the new has worn off and here are my likes and dislikes;
Likes; JOG-DIAL IS GREAT, good color display, Bluetooth (although I am convinced that activating it causes sluggishness in OS), very good integration with Outlook, speakerphone, compact for feature-set,

Dislikes; MP3 player is hard to use, and the memory stick seems useless as I cannot figure out how to use that storage (apps always want the internal memory), camera is poor quality (as compared to friends Nokia), poor engineering with the AC plug and cradle (pain in the #@@ to cradle, and to charge in the car), seems difficult to find good shareware or freeware apps.

Even though I spent over $500 on this (including bluetooth Jabra h.s) I am seriously thinking of getting rid of it to try a Windows CE. Not sure yet.

I am pretty much in agreement with your review. Nice job.
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