 
Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Too bad the court couldn't get back some of the $2,100,000,000 PA paid Verizon for fiber that never happened. | |
|  | 
TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·Comcast
| Re: Too bad said by Dogfather  :the court couldn't get back some of the $2,100,000,000 PA paid Verizon for fiber that never happened. You mean the mythical $2B that Teletruth continually claims was paid out to Bell of PA and never was. | |
| | | 
pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Too bad said by TKJunkMail :You mean the mythical $2B that Teletruth continually claims was paid out to Bell of PA and never was. Don't forget how "Teletruth" confuses ratepayers with taxpayers.
--
Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
| | | | | | | | |
TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| Re: Too bad said by Dogfather :Uh, ratepayers don't provide (fund) additional tax breaks targeted at a single corporation. Taxpayers do. Verizon got the tax breaks that no other corporation got because they negotiated that sweet deregulation deal in exchange for fiber deployment that never happened. Meanwhile Verizon got their billions and taxpayers didn't get crap. 1st of all, Verizon got nothing - it was Bell of PA. Second, Bell of PA laid the fiber they promised - backbone fiber. They never promised FTTH.
--
Internet News
My BLOG
My Web Page
| |
| | | | | |
Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Cox VOIP
·ViaTalk
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·MegaPath
·Verizon west (ex G..
·Time Warner VOIP
4 edits | Re: Too bad Incorrect. Read the original agreement (Chapter 30). Broadband had been defined in the petition as providing 45Mb service* to ACCESS lines, the connection between the end user and the CO, with a minimum statutory level of 1.544Mb (symmetric) for data services, within 5 days of the customer calling.
Verizon later claimed (and still claims) that ADSL met/meets the 1.5Mb data service requirement even though it isn't symmetrical and is only with a Cu loop under 12K Cu feet.
These speed, service and timeline requirements were written into the law. Now Verizon uses the term High Speed in their "we've met the Chap 30 requirements" claims because they aren't living up to the Chapter 30 definition of "broadband" which bundled in the video bandwidth for the larger access line requirement than just the internet access portion.
Again, they committed to providing within 5 days from the customer request date this 45Mb hookup for video with a min. of 1.5Mb for internet services to
20% of it's access lines by 1998
50% by 2004
and 100% by 2015.
I guess that Verizon - er - BA at the time didn't think it would be an issue because they planned on competing in the cable market and would use a good portion of the 45Mb for video service just as AT&T is doing today with U-Verse. Soon after doing the deal, their desire to compete in the video market died and with it the 45Mb to everyone's home.
And if can you missed it, BA became part of Verizon. Verizon assumes BA assets and liabilities and on their PA pages clearly acknowledge that they live under the deployment requirements of Chap 30 from 1993.
--
* The Bell Telephone Company of Pennsylvania's Petition and Plan for Alternative Form of Regulation Under Chapter 30, Docket No P-009350715, Alternative Regulation Plan dated 10/1/93 | |
| | | | | | |
pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Too bad said by Dogfather :Again, they committed to providing within 5 days from the customer request date this 45Mb hookup for video with a min. of 1.5Mb for internet services to 20% of it's access lines by 1998 50% by 2004 and 100% by 2015. I don't recall hearing that any customer who asked for such service was denied it. I can understand if Verizon screwed this up for maybe a handful of customers, but do you have proof that Verizon denied a large number of customers this service after said customers asked for (and presumably paid for) it?
--
Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Too bad said by Dogfather :Are you making the claim that never in history has a PA customer asked for say, 3Mb DSL and was denied it because of Cu loop limitations or they were told that they weren't DSL serviceable? Where did I mention DSL in my original post?
The agreement, as you pointed out, states that Bell Atlantic was required to provide the service to anyone who asked for it within 5 days. I am asking you if you have evidence that customers asked for this service, presumably paid for it, and were denied this service. If this is widespread, then Bell Atlantic is guilty of violating the deal.
--
Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Too bad said by Dogfather :What 45Mb pipe do they currently provide video services on other than FiOS? Bell Atlantic was offering ATM access to business customers in Penna. in 1997. I know this because I worked for a business in Penna. at the time that purchased such access.
I don't remember how fast that service was, but theoretically, you could get 155Mbps out of ATM-based technology.
The way the deal you mentioned was supposed to work was to make 45Mbps service similar to T1-based service, in that Bell Atlantic had to provide it to you no matter where you were, provided you were willing to pay for the service. Just because most residential customers could not afford the cost of these services at the time doesn't mean that they would not otherwise be available to them if they could.
--
Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Too bad Fiber to the Pole is essentially what I have been describing. If there is FTTP, you would have the option of calling BA and having a fiber hookup installed, provided you are able to pay them for doing it.
The press release to which you link doesn't mention anything about the deal that was struck between Penna. and BA. It only mentions that BA will be upgrading services in some parts of Penna. I believe that the ATM service I referenced earlier is one of the results of these upgrades.
As for the 45Mb to be dedicated to video service, while the release does mention that BA wants to get into this business, it does not mention that 45Mb is going to be dedicated to video.
said by Dogfather :Sorry, no one, not even Verizon is buying that what was at the time $30,000 T-3 meets the requirements. Even Verizon is passing off ADSL as making the requirements. Funny, no mention of T-3's in their own presswork about how they're supposedly complying. » www22.verizon.com/about/communit···dex.html Again, the original deal stated that 45Mb fiber service had to be available to someone who wanted to order and was willing to pay for the service. What you are posting does nothing to prove that Verizon is not offering fiber service to customers who are willing to pay for it.
--
Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 
Curious_Dude
@rr.com | I don't understand your logic. Are you saying that as a taxpayer Verizon got tax breaks but really didn't get crap? | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | satellite68
join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY
| Re: Too bad quote:
But I guess HCT See Profile and pnh102 See Profile are more credible experts than Dr. Lee Selwyn* of M.I.T. who actually bothered to run the numbers and is beyond an expert in telecommunications regulation, economics and public policy
Since your join date is 2007-12-26, I'll go ahead and tell you that yes, indeed the two resident freemarket magpies are more credible than anyone in the Western hemisphere on any subject you could possibly conjure. I'm betting they'd one up Jesus himself if He posted here. | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA
| said by satellite68 : quote:
But I guess HCT See Profile and pnh102 See Profile are more credible experts than Dr. Lee Selwyn* of M.I.T. who actually bothered to run the numbers and is beyond an expert in telecommunications regulation, economics and public policy
Since your join date is 2007-12-26, I'll go ahead and tell you that yes, indeed the two resident freemarket magpies are more credible than anyone in the Western hemisphere on any subject you could possibly conjure. I'm betting they'd one up Jesus himself if He posted here. Date joined does not constitute level of intelligence. By your philosophy I'm much much smarter then you. | |
| | | | | | |
pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Too bad said by Jonbo298 :Date joined does not constitute level of intelligence. By your philosophy I'm much much smarter then you. When did Jesus Himself join?
--
Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | |
JESUS
@rr.com | Leave me out of this, I'm not ready for my second go-around.
 | |
| | | | | Twitch576
join:2006-02-08
Allison Park, PA | i have fiber and im in PA? what are you talking about? | |
| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| faulty reasoning If this is the reason for allowing the merger, then the courts are more ^#^&## up than I thought:
"The belief behind this decision is that the market will regulate itself and the merger won’t do any damage to competition in the area after an initial period of adjustment is over."
To the best of my knowledge, rarely, if ever, has an industry going from more competitors to fewer competitors been good for consumers. Same thing goes with "self regulation" - how's that working out with the mortgage sector and toy manufacturers?
Then again, we do live in the era of government by the business, for the business and of the business, I just didn't realize this included the courts. | |
| dadarkside
Premium
join:2006-05-20
The Moon
| AFNI Inc. Apparently, Verizon sold all the old financial records from their takeovers to a sneaky collections group called Anderson Financials.
Last month I got a collections notice from their enforcement branch called AFNI Inc. attempting to collect on a closed Bell Atlantic telephone account from 1999. There HAD been some overdue on that account, but it WAS cleared up.
The fact that the debt WAS settled never made it from Bell South to Verizon. And AFNI Inc/Anderson Financial doesn't care.
I'm just giving a heads up to anyone who USED to do business with MCI, DO NOT pay AFNI Inc a dime. Challenge EVERYTHING they try to say.
And Verizon should be held accountable for their own unscrupulous behavior in selling old financial data to Anderson Financial.
Verizon sucks. For many many reason. | |
| | | |
|
|
PA Supreme Court Allows 2005 Verizon-MCI Merger to Stand
