 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | WOW! I can agree that Verizon would have the best in the east, but Time Warner in the MidWest? Really?
I'd think Cox or Comcast would... they both have deployed DS 3.0 and faster tiers where as TWC has a relatively more antiquated networks as far as HSI goes and isn't upping their speeds like the others. | |
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 |  SeleniaI love DebianPremium join:2006-09-22 Lanesboro, MA kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: WOW! said by fiberguy:I can agree that Verizon would have the best in the east, but Time Warner in the MidWest? Really? Not everywhere. Verizon speeds suck in this area, but TWC is about 5x as fast sustained(as in not including Powerboost). Pings are way better too. I think TWC kills Verizon in most non-FIOS areas, of which there are more of than areas actually served by FIOS. Cablevision is way faster than TWC, but has a limited footprint up here. Both leave VZ in the dust in most of their footprints. -- The new Sony rootkit-Using the ability to remove features you paid for. What's next? Boycott Sony products »[Rant] ps3 update = no more Linux | |
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 |  |  NYR 56Premium join:2000-12-05 Smithtown, NY | Re: WOW! The problem is the critics are lumping Verizon DSL with Verizon Fios, which is retarded. Just because both are run by the same company doesn't mean they shouldn't be separated. Why don't they throw in dialup users too? I'm sure Verizon still has plenty of those too. | |
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 |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: WOW! Because this is about "what company" is offering the fastest speeds in what area.. not what product. Verizon is a company.. AT&T is a company.. they're not going to break down U-Verse from DSL for AT&T... most ISP/Companies offer one service.. and as for dialup, it's about broadband.. not narrow-band to which is equal across the board... slow-as-snot for this day and age.
Verizon Fios & DSL ... doesn't matter.. There is no such thing as "Verizon" and "FiOS".. it's just Verizon. | |
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 |  |  |  |  NYR 56Premium join:2000-12-05 Smithtown, NY | Re: WOW! I'm not saying you're wrong, but I just think it's pointless to be comparing such a statistic. I fail to see how it's relevant to group companies against each other, when their product offering, territory and size are all drastically different. I know 56k is no 'broadband' but to me, the difference between 56k and DSL is practically the same as DSL and Fios. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: WOW! They're looking at the company.. this particular group/study chose to do that. Verizon, being they are one company, needs to be taken into account. They didn't split the office of the president at VZ, and they are the same corporation. So therefore, VERIZON offers services as low as 768K on up to 50+, right?
This wasn't a full on broadband map.. the way I read this is they are looking at which company offers the fasted ISP in regions... not specific locals. | |
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 |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Verizon IS the ISP for both the DSL product AND the FiOS product.. it wasn't ranking the product, rather, it was ranking the ISP.
The ranking was accurate as it was disclaimed and the intent was stated in this case. | |
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 1 edit | ugh This is a little biased. most people who have say optimum online ultra would not read pc magazine therefore use their speed test.
These ratings usually dont work for smaller isp's like cablevision. | |
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 |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | Re: ugh said by majortom1029:This is a little biased. most people who have say optimum online ultra would not read pc magazine therefore use their speed test. Even most people on AOL wouldn't have anything to do with that rag. the one who pays the most gets the best rating. lol wake me when consumer reports has one. -- The shortest distance between 2 points adds 1.5 stars to T. want $25? solve »coord.info/GC20A37 for me | |
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If these results were for 600 thousand individual connections instead of 6400 then we might be talking about something worthwhile.
This is an enormous stretch for a nationwide test to be considered conclusive off of 6400 users. thats not much more than 100 per state. I would be skeptical of this even if it was 6400 users for a single state, honestly. | |
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 | | Not a good test. How do these test factor in the people that do not subscribe to the fastest tier offered by their ISP?
I do not want or need anything faster than what I have - 3 meg tier. If they count me in their test, then wouldn't I bring down my ISP's average, even though I'm getting exactly what I pay for?
What they should test is actual speed to advertised speed to get a quality of service grade. | |
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 |  JoelC707Premium join:2002-07-09 Stone Mountain, GA kudos:4 | Re: Not a good test. Actually the way they do their test will in essence cancel out people like you, me and everyone else. Lets face facts, do we NEED 50mbps or faster to browse websites? Not at all and that's why you and I don't have it. Sure the person with the faster tier might get their page 0.001 seconds faster than us but that's an insignificant margin. If they did this test correctly then yes people with lower speed tiers would bring down the speed average for that ISP (though it would have to be a lot of users to bring it down significantly).
In essence the way they do their test takes those people out of the equation. That's not to say it isn't tested correctly still but it is better than a straight raw download speed test because people like us would lower that average. If anything the straight raw speed test is only good for showing where people tend to subscribe to the faster tiers because in those areas that ISP will be faster than others.
I think your quality of service test idea is a good one though. Of course that requires people to know what they subscribed to which sadly some don't. Any ISP no matter where or who can be flaky. In Atlanta, every time I tried Bellsouth it was horrible and most of the people I knew in the area that had them didn't like it either. Comcast on the other hand was leaps and bounds better all around. Out here in Tucson I'm on Comcast as well and its not as stable at it was in Atlanta but its still a faster speed than what Qwest can offer me (never tried Qwest).
Of course things affecting speed do NOT have to be something the ISP has control over either. Out here everwhere I've seen the coax cables are literally run across the roof and in my personal case not a single run is continuous, every one of them has a barrel in it creating at least one splice per run. That combined with the fact they are left to bake and dry rot on the roof meant the signal getting to my modem/TV was shit. Replaced with a fresh, unbroken run and all is well again. | |
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 | | Silly... Comparing FIOS to DSL is like comparing a dragster to a ford escort. Up Next - comparing Windows 7 to OS/2 Warp. | |
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 |  | | Re: Silly... yeah, it would be silly. OS/2 is the dragster, Windows is the Escort. Remember, OS/2 had better plumbing underneath, was more crash resistant, etc - just didn't have the ISP support and the graphics front end. It had toolbars before Windows, etc. | |
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 No LimitJust Say No To Social Promotion join:2000-10-07 Daly City, CA | Average internet bill in California is ~$37... I know the article say average cost, but I would love to see any Comcast bill from California where the cost is near $37 just for Internet. Sure it's that price when you sign up for a year or 2 contract, but it definitely not that cheap after the contract is up. I wish I could pay that much for my comcast bill, but my internet connection is "fast" so I guess I can't complain too much. | |
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| Verizon will no doubt attempt to exploit the results... Despite clear data from Ookla indicating extremely skewed results as presented by PC Magazine, Verizon is no doubt tripping over itself cooking up a way to exploit the results as presented by PC Magazine. The only thing missing from the article was a well placed Verizon FiOS ad. | |
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 FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium join:2005-03-19 | i about cried when I started to read the comments for the pcmag.com article. those people don't know what they are talking about. at least the reaffirms what the fcc said. | |
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 kadosHail OdinPremium join:2003-03-14 Watertown, SD kudos:1 | not even close I am in South Dakota, and they don't even list the 2 prominent ISPs, Midcontinent and Knology
I'm with midcontinent and I pay $20 a month for 20/2 connection
I just did a speedtest.net and I had 19.6/1.9
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| Re: not even close said by kados:I am in South Dakota, and they don't even list the 2 prominent ISPs, Midcontinent and Knology I'm with midcontinent and I pay $20 a month for 20/2 connectionI just did a speedtest.net and I had 19.6/1.9 flawed survey Seriously? That's really cheap. It sounds like a special or promotion that you were lucky to get. | |
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 ARGONAUTgot ping?Premium join:2006-01-24 New Albany, IN | Node business like overselling business I wonder how ISPs rank on overselling nodes? | |
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| Re: Node business like overselling business said by ARGONAUT:I wonder how ISPs rank on overselling nodes? That depends if you include the isps in Canada and around the world for that matter... but strictly speaking US.. Comcast will be at the top since they have the largest US footprint-- there is huge financial incentive to "SCREW" many non-competitive areas. | |
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| Ookla's Glass House "Wha! Your speed test is inaccurate!" cried the pervasive purveyor of inaccurate flash-based speedtests that can't even measure my cable speed right.
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