PGP Creator's VoIP SolutionZfone and the ZRTP protocol ( old news - 02:58PM Wednesday May 24 2006) tags: security · VoIP · softwareIf you're eager to converse without Uncle Sam listening in, PGP creator Philip Zimmermann has released a new free beta of software that will encrypt VoIP calls. Dubbed Zfone, the software uses Diffie-Hellman to generate a per-session key for VoIP calls using the new ZRTP protocol Zimmermann proclaims is better than alternatives. "better than the other approaches to secure VoIP, because it achieves security without reliance on a PKI, key certification, trust models, certificate authorities, or key management complexity that bedevils the email encryption world. It also does not rely on SIP signaling for the key management, and in fact does not rely on any servers at all. It performs its key agreements and key management in a purely peer-to-peer manner over the RTP packet stream. It interoperates with any standard SIP phone, but naturally only encrypts the call if you are calling another ZRTP client." The software is free, and available for Mac OS-X, Linux, and Windows XP. Of course it won't work with Skype and other popular solutions, so you'll have to run a softphone like X-Lite, Gizmo, or SJphone as per the FAQ.
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| Do we really need this? Is this is what the world needs, the ability to enable more conversations in complete secrecy - be they for business, personal or criminal reasons? Yes, lets everyone continue to inhibit law enforcement, criminal and terrorist investigations and everything else in the name of privacy for the sake of "free speech." Yup, this will really help society. Not.
And everyone knows that "they" have thousands of people looking at YOUR phone records. Yes, they have the time, the resources and the interest in knowing all about john q public's calling habits... for no reason at all. Yes, your privacy is been compromised by the government as opposed to all the identity thieves out there (for example), from every corner of the world, spending all day every day trying to steal your cash and credit. I guess that's okay though. I don't see people protesting in the streets about that and it's not being broadcast on CNN, so I guess it's unimportant.
It's funny how stupid so many people can be.
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| Re: Do we really need this? said by WileEC  :Is this is what the world needs, more ability to conduct converstations in secret - be they for business, personal or crimial reasons? Yup, this will really help society. Not. It's funny how stupid so many people can be. Absolutely! With crazy ass Bush gestapo tactics eavesdropping into all our communications, I absolutely support the use of heavy encryption for everything. What's the use fearing some terrorist when Bush is taking away all civilian liberties supposedly in a legal manner anyway?
As for how stupid some people are, indeed the stupidest of all seem to be the lemmings who allow the government to lead them to their own demise. Just how stupid are they to accept it so easily and willingly?
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| Re: Do we really need this? "With crazy ass Bush gestapo tactics eavesdropping into all our communications, I absolutely support the use of heavy encryption for everything. What's the use fearing some terrorist when Bush is taking away all civilian liberties supposedly in a legal manner anyway?"
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I am so sick of hearing this moronictheme about Bush eavsdropping. News flash Ace: everybody is data mining you!
Most are using the information for marketing purposes, where the f*** is the outcry about that. The democratic national Commitee data mines for funding purposes. Since you're from Cali, I would think you would be more worried about the Southern invasion than someone listening into your call to Pakistan! | |
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| Re: Do we really need this? said by kdandaoc :I am so sick of hearing this moronictheme about Bush eavsdropping. News flash Ace: everybody is data mining you! Really, Ace, is that a fact. Is "everybody" compiling a complete dossier cross-referenced among all the federal 3 letter agenices available at a moment's notice, without judicial oversight that includes health, financial and consumer data? Having supermarket purchases logged by the so called "discount" card is one thing. A complete dossier that includes life history is quite another. You better newsflash yourself next time you speak about matters of which you don't know enough about in order to comment intelligently.
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| Re: Do we really need this? Lets face it... all companies want information, and many resell it plain and simple. This is the 'information age' after all.
When you go to the mall or a deli and fill out a chance to win something (lunch, car, stereo) its all in the interest of collecting data.
Using Costco, Sams Club, grocery store cards, RadioShack, etc. they can get you on mailing lists, create spending profiles, etc.
Going online BOTS are out there (including spyware/malware/toolbars) to track your surfing habits... some even do redirects for search engines, and hacked DNS servers.
How many 'refinanace' offers do you receive? How do they know how much your mortgage already is ? Why do you get TV service, new appliances offers, etc just after you move in, and its in YOUR name. Face it, we are already sold. Its not the government that owns us.. its corporations | |
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| said by major marco :said by kdandaoc :I am so sick of hearing this moronictheme about Bush eavsdropping. News flash Ace: everybody is data mining you! Really, Ace, is that a fact. Is "everybody" compiling a complete dossier cross-referenced among all the federal 3 letter agenices available at a moment's notice, without judicial oversight that includes health, financial and consumer data? Having supermarket purchases logged by the so called "discount" card is one thing. A complete dossier that includes life history is quite another. You better newsflash yourself next time you speak about matters of which you don't know enough about in order to comment intelligently. Come on major marco don't you get it? He means that everybody is doing it so surely is must be okay. 
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| said by kdandaoc :"With crazy ass Bush gestapo tactics eavesdropping into all our communications, I absolutely support the use of heavy encryption for everything. What's the use fearing some terrorist when Bush is taking away all civilian liberties supposedly in a legal manner anyway?" -- I am so sick of hearing this moronictheme about Bush eavsdropping. News flash Ace: everybody is data mining you! Most are using the information for marketing purposes, where the f*** is the outcry about that. The democratic national Commitee data mines for funding purposes. Since you're from Cali, I would think you would be more worried about the Southern invasion than someone listening into your call to Pakistan! The worry is rarely with an external enemy--only in times of real war is it with an explicit, external enemy. The worry should always be with our/your own government. In the pretext of defending the country, all sorts of BS that one would normally never accept is forced upon you by the government.
If you have nothing to fear, great, go build a house made of transparent glass so that everyone can clearly see what you're doing inside. Write all letters using post cards with no envelopes. When making phone calls, broadcast your conversation on external speakers to the public outside as well. You have nothing to fear. When going out to shop, dine or work, make sure you are completely nude. You needn't worry about covering your private parts as you have nothing to hide or fear.
Oh please! Babbling idiots clamoring about nothing to hide are always the first ones to have something to hide.
And yes, I am certainly against all these for-profit, commercial data mining operations. It's the same stanch pro-business Republicans who allow these damn data miners to operate and invade people's privacy. There is plenty of outrage and outcry to stop this kind of data mining. Just because you haven't been vocal about it doesn't mean others aren't!
said by adams_aj :Those with a "couldn't care less" attitude are more of a threat to our liberty and freedom than an entire boatload of terrorists.
This is so sad and yet so true.  How do you educate these ignoramus to understand better?
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| Re: Do we really need this? said by lakino :This is so sad and yet so true. How do you educate these ignoramus to understand better? You can't, they are usually to stuck in their ways. | |
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Rockville, MD | Yes. Why not they have similar products you can use on a regular land line. You can Encrypt your wireless traffic. Why not this? | |
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| Re: Do we really need this? said by maxkool :Why not they have similar products you can use on a regular land line. Biggest problem is your landline is analog only being converted to digital in the telco switches and back to analog at the destination switch...
Not saying it cannot be done but I don't see where you'd start. | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: Do we really need this? Right - both parties would have to be using some form of encryption. | |
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| said by WileEC :Is this is what the world needs, more ability to conduct converstations in secret - be they for business, personal or crimial reasons? Yup, this will really help society. Not. Ok, would you mind if I came to your house and installed a device to record all of your phone conversations? | |
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| Re: Do we really need this? I would not care less. I have nothing to hide from law enforcement officials or the government so I really don't care. I don't think anyone would spend more than 5 minutes listening to the sappy conversations between me and my girl. Although some of my conversations would make for one helluva comedy show. Of course, if you set this up vpoko, I would have to talk about you and your paranoia with all my friends, and that would probably upset you.
Is everyone that paranoid? MPAA? RIAA? FEDS? COPS? WHO DO YOU THINK CARES ABOUT YOUR SHIT? Really people.
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| Re: Do we really need this? said by WileEC :I would not care less. I have nothing to hide.... Such naivete and casual shrugging off of this country's hard won (and delicately preserved!) freedoms would make our Founding Fathers spin in their graves.
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| Re: Do we really need this? quote:
Such naivete and casual shrugging off of this country's hard won (and delicately preserved!) freedoms would make our Founding Fathers spin in their graves.
Our founding fathers didnt have maniac terrorists hijacking planes and killing thousands of civilians at a time.
Our "founding fathers" supported slavery.
Freedoms and laws change. Simple as that.
I dont care what Mr Bush does with my telephone records... and boy, do I dislike him. Ive got absolutely nothing to hide. If it helps prevent a nuclear bomb from going off in the middle of a US city, then GREAT. Eliminate me as a threat. | |
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| The word "eliminate" has more than one meaning, and the way this government has been operating lately, it might not be the meaning you intended.
With all the backlash about people crossing our borders illegally and what the NSA is reportedly doing, are we very far from this?
»www.earlyamerica.com/earlyameric···edition/
It happened once. The climate for it is warming up, (I'm not talking about global warming) and people such as yourself would seem to be the source of the heat. Or, in this case, hot air. Please do yourself and everyone else a favor; read a history book. | |
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| said by ITALIAN926 : quote:
Such naivete and casual shrugging off of this country's hard won (and delicately preserved!) freedoms would make our Founding Fathers spin in their graves.
Our founding fathers didnt have maniac terrorists hijacking planes and killing thousands of civilians at a time. Our "founding fathers" supported slavery. Freedoms and laws change. Simple as that. I dont care what Mr Bush does with my telephone records... and boy, do I dislike him. Ive got absolutely nothing to hide. If it helps prevent a nuclear bomb from going off in the middle of a US city, then GREAT. Eliminate me as a threat. I have much to hide, in fact the entire part of my life that the constitution does not grant corporations or the government the power to search.
You are a fool. When we were fighting England for the right to exist as a sovereign nation, WE WERE THE TERRORISTS.
Think of our actions, the tea party as one example...just think for a second. Yes, we live in a different world now, one in which citizens need to speak up for changes.
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| You ought to be concerned, because the government keeps changing the definition of "criminal". The very things you enjoy doing may soon be against the law. And my favorite one, the fact that the US population has any privacy at all is what keeps the IRS from jacking up the tax rate to 99%. Once you have no privacy, the government will see every dollar that goes in and out of your life and you will have to pay that 99% as you won't be able to hide any of it for your family's survival.
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| said by WileEC :I would not care less. I have nothing to hide from law enforcement officials or the government so I really don't care. Outstanding! I would like to come to your residence and install cameras and phone taps to be broadcast on the Internet for all to see/hear 365x24x7. Please also note this includes your bathroom and bedroom.
Secondly, I would like access to your all phone records, cable, financial, credit reports, etc. and would like to scan those records in .pdf format and upload to my website for all on the Net to view. You have nothing to hide, right? And you're doing nothing wrong so you couldn't possibly care about this level invasion of privacy, would you. You just let me know when is a good time for me to drop by to install my surveillance equipment.
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Los Angeles, CA | that's your decision, some people value privacy. Why should gov be able to listen on private conversation etc | |
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| said by WileEC :And everyone knows that "they" have thousands of people looking at YOUR phone records. Yes, they have the time, the resources and the interest in knowing all about john q public's calling habits... for no reason at all. Yes, your privacy is been compromised by the government as opposed to all the identity thieves out there (for example), from every corner of the world, spending all day every day trying to steal your cash and credit. I guess that's okay though. I don't see people protesting in the streets about that and it's not being broadcast on CNN, so I guess it's unimportant. It's funny how stupid so many people can be. Right, and J. Edgar Hoover never used information obtained through his FBI to personally blackmail people.
The government might not care about your private or embarassing moments until they have a reason to oppose you (say, you decide to for office or blow the whistle). | |
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| Re: Do we really need this? Yes, and that's a concern for us all. Right. What's life like on your planet where you think you should be concerned that you may be blackmailed by the FBI?
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| Re: Do we really need this? Hey...
I have a business plan...
I buy the tin foil, you make the hats, we sell 'em here for $50 a pop and call it encryption, I think we could make a killing.
Back to the real topic...
I personally couldn't care less either. If the FBI wants to listen in on my conversations, they won't find anything interesting, and no matter what I do, they will find a way around it if they want it bad enough.
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| said by WileEC :Yes, and that's a concern for us all. Right. What's life like on your planet where you think you should be concerned that you may be blackmailed by the FBI? I'd probably never be affected by this (unless, of course, I did something like run for office), but some people might and they should have the same expectation of privacy as I do.
Why not cameras in every home? | |
| | prack
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Is this is what the world needs, the ability to enable more conversations in complete secrecy - be they for business, personal or criminal reasons? Yes, lets everyone continue to inhibit law enforcement, criminal and terrorist investigations and everything else in the name of privacy for the sake of "free speech." Yup, this will really help society. Not.
I'd bet you are one of those that actually thinks Al-Qaida had something to do with 9/11! ROFL! LMAO! | |
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| said by WileEC :It's funny how stupid so many people can be. After reading your worthless diatribe above I must say I agree. | |
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ITALIAN926
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| CRAP ! So you people dont think that phone records can prevent a terrorist plan or capture a terrorist? Hmm interesting. So I guess Uncle Sam really did just want to know how many times you called your MOM this month.
Maybe they shouldve had the fucking phone records of Mohamed Atta's fucking cell phone August of 2001 !!! You people are RIDICULOUS and its mind boggling that this has even gotten to this point. A few money hungry lawyers want a third of 50 billion dollars and this shit has to become an issue. What will the average Joe get outve this case? NOTHING.. less security.. cough and more "freedom". We might get blown up, but at least we have our damn private phone records !
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and our government isnt gonna commit identity theft with our phone records ! So BAD EXAMPLE buddy. They cannot do anything with the information except try to keep the people safe. Do you people forget that its our own government that wanted these records.. the same people WE elected into office?
As you can tell, Im a bit upset over this living and working in NYC 9.11.01 | |
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nexus79
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| This is good This is good.. we need more people creating this kind of software.. I wish it were compatible with Skype though, since everyone I know uses Skype to call over the 'net...
I'll try this app out 
P.S. to those Bush/wiretapping supporting FOOLS:
"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" -Benjamin Franklin
P.P.S. - if you support this nazi/big brother/wiretapping horsemanure, then get the fuck out of our country and go live in China or North Korea where your views are more supported. We Americans believe in freedom and liberty and that's how our country was founded. Anyone who doesn't agree with those values isn't a real American and should be expelled. Get the fuck out of our country! (nevermind that I'm living in Japan now for work reasons, I'm a red-blooded American)
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| said by nexus79 :P.P.S. - if you support this nazi/big brother/wiretapping horsemanure, then get the fuck out of our country... You quote our Founding Fathers that envisioned this country to allow free thinking and equality, yet you turn red-neck, ignorant, isolationist in the next quote.
You are in no position to tell any other U.S. Citizen where they should and should not live, and in believing you have such power negates the true American freedoms!
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