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| held hostage by the carriers Some of Palm's problems are poor management. However ATT and Verizon make Palm bleed red from all the hoops they have to jump through.
Case in point. The Treo 750 WM6 upgrade. This should have been out months ago. However, because of the assholes at ATT Palm had to waste man hours putting stupid shit in the upgrade and taking away things that should be there (like Windows Live Mobile).
I hope this kind of abuse changes when the 700mhz spectrum auction takes place...but it may be too late for Palm. | |
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| Re: held hostage by the carriers It doesn't help that they are trying to continue a technology that has been passed up. "Devices" that can do what a Palm can are common now, they no longer have the market. And this tube TV manufacturer is now suffering from everyone else's plasma and LCD products.
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| Re: held hostage by the carriers As do I. And I also still prefer the image quality of a CRT over LCD. But Palm simply can't expect to maintain the same sales, profits, and employment numbers now that they aren't the ONLY game in town, and now that there are newer technologies (a flip size cell phone that can also do everything a palm can for example)
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| Re: held hostage by the carriers said by Jameson  :said by DotMac :PalmOS isn't enough to save sorry hardware. Sorry hardware? My Palm phone is one of the most reliable, able to take a terrible beating, phone I have ever owned. A palm has to be overclocked to even run grayscale GB games in emulation.
Even PocketPC 1.0 hardware was able to run full-on NES emulation from the word 'go'.  | |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY | Well... I still like my Treo 600. I was not terribly impressed with the Treo 650, other than the 320x320 display.
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La Mesa, CA | Re: Well... I actually went with the 650 because I can see better in daylight. The 650's screen turns a kind of Monochrome and is very readable in direct sunlight.
Other than that - I didn't see a whole lot for what I do... | |
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bky
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Austin, TX | 700wx Horrible, bulky phones. Why carry it around when a thin blackjack can do all the same things. | |
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| Re: 700wx Really? Like what, the touch screen? I have my own blackjack and my company issued me a 700wx. There are some slight differences in WM between them both, however I would hardly say the treo "pales in comparison". I forwarded the treo's number to my blackjack and stuck it in a drawer months ago. | |
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1 edit | Re: 700wx -slight differences-? bwahahahahahaha.....have you ever tried to open up a word or excel document in that shitty Pixcel viewer? What about copy and paste text....oh wait you can't do that! You can't seriously be that ignorant can you?
you seriously need to put down the crack pipe for a secod and try a Treo 750 with WM6. It blows the Blackjack out of the water in every way. | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: 700wx I will agree to this when it comes to the interface.
If only Palm had thinner, faster hardware and more memory... | |
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1 edit | Duh, 'cause it sucks I had a Treo700W with Verizon and it's a horrible piece of crap hampered by an even worse mobile OS. Everything from the button layout to the antenna design, it's just not thought out. With so many competitors lowering their prices like i760, Q and BB, I'm surprised Palm sells any of their crap anymore. At the time it was $600 with a contract and even now, they're still running in the $300-$400 range. There are simply competing devices that are far superior for the same or lower price.
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What a unreliable POS the 700w is. | |
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| Re: Duh, 'cause it sucks said by jameswade :Someone want to buy my 700w? After I year I couldn't stand it any more and got a Blackberry. What a unreliable POS the 700w is. I bailed on the 750 for the iPhone. Even without 3g I have not spent one nano second thinking about switching back. Palm had their hay day but they stopped inventing. The same thing happened to Motorola with the Razr. They rode that thing forever and apparently did nothing r&d wise during that time.
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now its commonplace, almost every phone can do what they do
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| Palm and RIM in same boat Palm and RIM have been hanging onto a format from the late 90's and early '00's. There has been little innovation from these two companies and if not for the enterprise support RIM would be in the same boat.
The Palm (and RIM) is about as cool as a scientific calculator. Sure it gets the job done and you may even be required to get one for a task but that's about it. | |
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| Re: Palm and RIM in same boat said by Pictor Guy :Palm and RIM have been hanging onto a format from the late 90's and early '00's. There has been little innovation from these two companies and if not for the enterprise support RIM would be in the same boat. The Palm (and RIM) is about as cool as a scientific calculator. Sure it gets the job done and you may even be required to get one for a task but that's about it. True but the difference is RIM has been established as a leader for push email and the majority of business people continue to use their devices.
On the other hand, all Palm has is an ancient OS that hasn't changed in years. I haven't met anyone that still uses the Palm OS. | |
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| Re: Palm and RIM in same boat said by mlerner :True but the difference is RIM has been established as a leader for push email and the majority of business people continue to use their devices. That's why I said "if not for the enterprise support RIM would be in the same boat." RIM is also resting on its laurels and hasn't innovated. If they continue down the same path, RIM will be Palm 2.0 as some new player gets into the enterprise market. And I don't think push email is the killer app for RIM either. Most IT Managers in the enterprise want security and RIM offers this. A phone that works on `pull' email but offers the same security options as what RIM offers could easily be a disruptor in the field. | |
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| said by Pictor Guy :Palm and RIM have been hanging onto a format from the late 90's and early '00's. There has been little innovation from these two companies and if not for the enterprise support RIM would be in the same boat. The Palm (and RIM) is about as cool as a scientific calculator. Sure it gets the job done and you may even be required to get one for a task but that's about it. Not so sure RIM is on the same path as Palm's unreliable locking/freezing Treo 600/650/680/700's which prevents sometimes prevents incoming calls that are missed. This the default firmware with a hard reset, most users experience this issue and let it go. As for RIM the reason I'm not sure is the future pending release of the Blackberry 9000 series that is supposed to at least rival the IPHONE. But thats a wait and see..... | |
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Utterly worthless, that Treo 700p.
Check Amazon.com reviews of the 700p for more evidence. | |
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2 edits | I also have a Treo 700p.
When I bought it, I bought it to replace the Kyocera 7135. However, I never should have bought it. I won't even go into the CDMA phone locking issue.
Why not? When I originally got the 7135, and later the 700p, I thought that perhaps I could make good use of the fact that it can do more than just make calls. However, in all that time I have owned both devices I discovered that I didn't really need a PDA device. What a PDA does, I kept doing the old way, as old habits die hard.
I wonder if I even need a mobile phone. But, if I did the Nokia 1100i would be "good enough." The only advantage I see to the Treo 700p is that it has a contacts list and a keyboard to enter in new entries. Since I can easily remember phone numbers, I don't need a contacts list and that feature isn't worth the additional $450 or so.
I see more point in say, the Motorola M800 or M900, since they can transmit farther.
But even as a basic phone, it seems lacking at times. Sometimes it'll freeze up for no apparent reason. Even Windows seems more robust.
Automated systems requiring touch-tone service sometimes breaks down, since sometimes there is a delay from when I press the number key and when the tone is played. It hasn't happened too often, but it does happen sometimes. No payphone has ever done that to me.
Sometimes reception isn't the greatest, although I'm inclined to think it's the service instead of the device, since it used to work better before I moved. | |
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| Re: Glad the market kicked them in the teeth said by benc :I also have a Treo 700p. Sometimes reception isn't the greatest, although I'm inclined to think it's the service instead of the device, since it used to work better before I moved. Oh yes, there were massive problems with the 700p freezing for several seconds if the phone was on the edge of a coverage area. If signal strength faded in and out or changed rapidly (1bar to 3bars), the phone freezes.
An awful phone. It completely turned me off to mobile phones. I actually ate an ETF just be rid of that awful 700p. | |
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They sold it to ACCESS and that's it, they're done.
Either Palm will offer a product based on ALP (palmOS 6) or they will die. I'm sick and tired of very limited OS.
Imagine treo with multitasking capability and laptop comparable performance. Now we're talking.
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| Re: PalmOS I see other problems with Palm OS.
I seem to have liked the interface just fine, although I haven't really tried messing around with Windows Mobile.
Then again, some people like the Amiga. So what's my point?
Nowadays, the only way to get Palm OS is to buy a Palm Device. There used to be some Garmin GPS unit using Palm OS 5.4.9, though I think it's discontinued. The Treo form factor is horrible, I think. The only reason I bought a 700p at the time was that if I didn't want WM, it was either that or the 650. And the only reason I didn't want WM was because it's Microsoft. You almost have to have at least one Windows PC, so I wanted to keep Microsoft out of everything else in my life.
If I were willing to have WM, there's no way I'd get a Treo due to the form factor.
However, the extremely limited scope of devices where one can get Palm OS, and the fact that it's been losing popularity, causes a problem.
First thing is, I wonder how many more such devices will exist, or if it'll be a dead platform. This means that I won't invest in any Palm OS software. If I won't get any Palm OS software, it reduces it's capability, making me less inclined to get another one.
Linux doesn't suffer from the same problem. Although market share for Linux is quite poor, it's users are of a special sort, meaning they are quite technically inclined and there are many developers for it. It also runs on many platforms, and I have many device (or in this case, computer) choices.
If people don't want to buy software for it, they won't want the platform. Also if people aren't buying, then why would the developers want to make software for it, further reducing the demand for the platform.
I see Palm going the way of Amiga.
If I buy another PDA phone it's NOT going to be Palm OS. It's going to be either Symbian or (shudder) W.M.
At least the HTC TyTN II (W.M. based) looked cool. The AT&T Tilt is just a rebranded TyTN II. | |
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| said by Tomek :That's the biggest problem with Palm, the OS They sold it to ACCESS and that's it, they're done. Either Palm will offer a product based on ALP (palmOS 6) or they will die. I'm sick and tired of very limited OS. Imagine treo with multitasking capability and laptop comparable performance. Now we're talking. I used to carry a Blackberry. Palm sucks due to all the restrictions and lousy file system. I hated getting emails all the time including weekends asking stupid questions like, "Did you finish the report?" Exactly which one moron? If it was someone higher up than me, it was probably in their email box in PDF format. "Check you're email!" was my response to people that worked for me.
I only work during the week so starting leaving the thing at work. Finally, my boss gave up. Now, I work solely from home, rarely visit the office except meetings (mostly inane and entirely unnecessary because some executive is the complete idiot son of the owner), so they can't bother me anymore.
But, if there weren't complete morons running company divisions, I wouldn't have a nice job. So, the more morons they hire for executive positions, the better. Trust me, Dilbert has it right. Common Cent$ is usually the last thing executives have especially idiot kids of the founder.
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1 edit | Re: PalmOS heheheheh...
So true.
Amazing that the "higher ups" keep their jobs. But when you have nepotism running rampant, there's not much you can do. Except C.Y.A., keep your head low, and do your job. Meetings-just another excuse to waste an hour or two of your workday and achieve nothing. I love'em-get to relax and enjoy the B.S.(while I've DONE the C.Y.A. on my end).
And I LOVE going to work everyday-just to see all of the B.S. that happens. Being the end of the fiscal year, things are getting REALLY interesting.
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| Good riddance I had the Treo 650 and was amazed by the lack of improvement. Many years ago I had the Palm V, and apart from the color screen, there was nothing particularly new in the 650 compared to the V. Imagine a PDA still using a a single-threaded OS model. Even worse, it needed a a reboot every night to keep running reliably. The kicker is that a call would come in, and the phone doesn't ring because its crashed. Boo.
The Ipaq 6945 I switched to wasn't that much better (slowwwwww!). My 3-year old Blackberry 7100 was way faster and ran more stably. I finally switched to the 8300 Curve and never looked back.
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join:2000-08-19
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| company is going downhill... I used to work for this company when it first started to release the Palm III, then IIX, V, etc. Basically all they did was release a slightly newer product with 99% of the same features as the old one and make some money out of it. The company never innovated and even to this day, the only product they got that's worth buying (before the iPhone) was the treo line, which again, they would have never had if they didn't merge with handspring.
I still have friends at Palm, and they all know this company is going the down the drain. I mean common, the palm apps are so 1985, look at the apps on the hacked iPhone =)
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| Re: company is going downhill... It's really a shame. For years they were the market leader and they fell behind. Picking up PepsiCo's former CEO was a bad idea, indeed.
They've sold their OS, bought it back, changed their name (Palmone), changed it back...the lack of leadership really shows.
I still very much like PalmOS for its simplicity but it's needed upgrades like real multitasking support for a long time. The fact that they're losing to a bloated and confusing OS like windows mobile shows something as well.
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| Palm Treo Is not a great device. I had 2 of these things. I had the older CDMA Plam Cell Smartphone which was ok, the one with Palm V or something on it, then I got a 650 soon as I get the HTC with WM5 of WM6 I will use the palm Treo 650 as a Media player even tho that is less to be desired. I will then use the HTC for everything. It has wifi and uses minisd i will throw the biggest one I can in there to have a mini laptop. I bet emulation games like Nintendo and Arcade would make this phone the best.
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