| |Camelot OnePremium,MVM
Default post Insert default "We really need copyright/patent reform" post.
I am not making fun of such a comment, as I completely agree with the idea. But story after story, what more can be said about this kind of crap?
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Re: Default post It would be easy to find out every cell company knows what type of phone makes a connection to every cell tower.
The problem is the Patent Office has not done their office for decades. I think I read in one article they gave a patent for a backyard kids swing. You file the paperwork and then it is for someone else to prove it is invalid.
| |KearnstdElf WizardPremium
Mullica Hill, NJ
Re: Default post True but they would have to get a court order to get VZW to release the consumer data.
not to mention if I got a letter stating I owed apple $3000, I would more than likely contact the police and state there is a scam going around. because random letters for money from companies one has no business relationship with are pretty much always a scam.
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| |said by skeechan:Verizon and AT&T are probably behind these lawsuits, indirectly.
Verizon and AT&T aren't easily scared.
A few million is worth it if it can be used to drive out the competition from the smaller ISPs that can't easily absorb the financial loss. Any wonder why the lawsuits are not being directed at the device manufacturers but only the ISPs?
It seems that the larger companies have already paid up once before in similar lawsuits, and perhaps this strategy can be used to remove the little guy from establishing themselves in the market. It does not appear the any of the major players want anything to do with DSL anymore. This move just makes it nearly impossible for any new startup companies to take root using this technology, allowing LTE sales to be more dominant in markets with DSL.
| |said by skeechan:Actually, both Ford and the car owner are infringing. Patent rights control the use of technology, and if a patent owner really wanted to stop a car owner from using an invention, they could. The owners would then need to seek recourse from Ford, which sold them a product that was unusable.
If a component in a Ford is infringing, the car owner isn't liable for infringement, Ford is.
In the case of the ISP/DSL patents here, in cases like this what often happens is that purchase contracts require that a component vendor or equipment vendor will indemnify their customers against any claims of patent infringment, promising to cover any claims made by a patent holder. That's commonplace between component vendors and equipment makers, but I don't know if it is the case between the equipment makers and the ISP's here.
| |KearnstdElf WizardPremium
Mullica Hill, NJ
How is this lawsuit even legal? You cannot violate a patent just by owning equipment. I mean of some suits knocked on my door and said I had to pay to run my router's wifi I would tell them to get off my land.(Or would that be get off my LAN?)
Re: How is this lawsuit even legal?
said by Kearnstd:be smart yankie use yourguns solve the problem....for good
You cannot violate a patent just by owning equipment. I mean of some suits knocked on my door and said I had to pay to run my router's wifi I would tell them to get off my land.(Or would that be get off my LAN?)
| |said by Kearnstd: Sure you can. Or use can by using that equipment, if the equipment makes use of a patented invention.
You cannot violate a patent just by owning equipment.
OK, but they could still sue you fo infringement. I wouldn't worry, though, the value of any damages they could collect is far less than what it would cost to file the lawsuit.
I mean of some suits knocked on my door and said I had to pay to run my router's wifi I would tell them to get off my land.(Or would that be get off my LAN?)
said by CorvusSenex :and nothing will ever get made agian in a life time caus eit will take you 50 year sto get it all synced up...
Lawyers working in patent usually are required to have science/engineering backgrounds. The people driving these lawsuits are engineers -- so maybe it's some basic law and ethics that need to be introduced at engineering schools instead.
Pompano Beach, FL
Those patents belong to Bell labs.. (Alcatel -Lucent) 1st item, Seams to me that some of those companies retained some rights, and cross licensing obligations.
This will show up in discovery, and when it does, it's time to file for major sanctions. (or file a cross complaint against the original manufacturer of the DSL equipment.)
When it comes to these trolls, I wonder if their is way to bind the opposing lawyers as a counter party. Seams to me, that legally dubious speculation for profit should make them a co-conspirator and liable to pay for any counterclaims and/or sanctions.
2nd item, unless the ISP actually owns DSL concentrators, located at the other end of the last mile(usually located in Teleco facilities), they are not using any DSL related patents.
3rd item, I don't think aDSL uses the patents in question.. Echo cancellation is only needed when a device shares the same frequencies for both transmit and receive functions. Like an old v.22 to v.42bis modems or fax machines. aDSL uses separate frequencies for xmit and receive.. no real need to echo cancel.