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kudos:1 | KILL IT but unfortunately, this ruling won't last =\ | |
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| | | Re: KILL IT You mean kind of like the B. administration. They'll always find something to ruin. They are like playground kids and are greed based etc... running things 'behind the scenes' in our once semi- dignified country. | |
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kudos:6 | said by tiger72:but unfortunately, this ruling won't last =\ This one's here to stay. | |
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kudos:1 | Where do we go now? So, does this case go to SCOTUS or does Congress try a 3rd revision?
I'm guessing the DOJ will appeal this to SCOTUS in the hopes it will be overturned. IMHO, they'll probably lose it. The 2nd district is pretty well respected, unlike the "9th circus" out on California.
Additionally, I don't see Congress co operating with the Bush administration on anything, so a 3rd Congressional try is DOA.
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Falls Church, VA | Re: Where do we go now? said by N3OGH:So, does this case go to SCOTUS or does Congress try a 3rd revision? I'm guessing the DOJ will appeal this to SCOTUS in the hopes it will be overturned. IMHO, they'll probably lose it. The 2nd district is pretty well respected, unlike the "9th circus" out on California. Additionally, I don't see Congress co operating with the Bush administration on anything, so a 3rd Congressional try is DOA. One can only hope...
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Good ol' "Pardon" Bush wants to change the rules, just in case the Patriot Act gets its wings clipped... Read the article - funny isn't it? I bet you didn't see this on any page of any "news"paper ...
"Bush seeks to grant immunity to Verizon, AT&T as they face privacy suits for helping White House eavesdrop"
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| | big deal A low level judge hand picked by the ACLU to deliver a prearranged judgement. Happens all the time, gets overturned all the time. Didn't the Supreme Court rule a couple of years ago there was nothing wrong with this law? | |
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Camden, TN | Re: big deal said by footballdude:A low level judge hand picked by the ACLU to deliver a prearranged judgement. Happens all the time, gets overturned all the time. Didn't the Supreme Court rule a couple of years ago there was nothing wrong with this law? S I take it you support dictatorship then. You would ave been the peefect 1930's German citizen. Accept what the governmnet does to your rights in the name of "protecting" you, which it really doesn't. If anything the thing we need to be protected from the most is the Bush administration. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: big deal "You would ave[sic] been the peefect[sic] 1930's German citizen."
OHH OHH OHH, do I get one of those snappy uniforms and good beer, too? 
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Greenville, NC | There was nothing in his post to indicate that. Take off your HateBush glasses for a second and you'd see that. | |
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Rosendale, NY | said by DataDoc:Take off your HateBush glasses for a second and you'd see that. You will have to take my HateBush glasses off my cold dead body before I take them off!
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Dictatorship implies 1 imposing on all. There are 236 democrats in the house and 49 democrats in the senate that are then also accomplices to this dictatorship!
Get a grip McFly
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| | | | | | Re: big deal Get a brain, this is your brilliant response?
Nothing about the facts....nothing about your state being one of the states that put this "dictator" in office for both terms?
Oh why do I bother, I think I've donated towards your cause on a telethon or 2!
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Camden, TN | Re: big deal said by S_engineer:Get a brain, this is your brilliant response? Nothing about the facts....nothing about your state being one of the states that put this "dictator" in office for both terms? Oh why do I bother, I think I've donated towards your cause on a telethon or 2! OK first of all the state I live in is not MY state. I just live here for now. I certainly don't claim it. Second I didn't say Bush was a dictator I said DICTATORSHIP as in you support dictatorships in gerneral. Of course you probably failed HS English class so the concept of CONTEXT is beyond your grasp. I mentioned 1930's Germany as an example of people that think like you. Unless it's your assertion that Hitler wasn't a dictator. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: big deal said by BF69:I mentioned 1930's Germany as an example of people that think like you. Unless it's your assertion that Hitler wasn't a dictator. I believe I referred to the fact that the Supreme Court already refuted challenges to the patriot act a couple of years ago. How this turns into Hitler is a question only a deranged person can answer.
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1 edit | Re: big deal said by footballdude:I believe I referred to the fact that the Supreme Court already refuted challenges to the patriot act a couple of years ago. The Patriot act has many, many provisions, many of which are constitutional, but some of which most definately are not. The Supreme Court never declared the Patriot Act, as a whole, to be beyond challenge, they may have upheld parts of it (though I don't know what case you're refering to), but they're certain to come back to it again and again as individual provisions are challenged. | |
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kudos:6 | said by footballdude:said by BF69:I mentioned 1930's Germany as an example of people that think like you. Unless it's your assertion that Hitler wasn't a dictator. I believe I referred to the fact that the Supreme Court already refuted challenges to the patriot act a couple of years ago. Yes, but-
A: You didn't cite a source.
B: You're wrong, the government gave up and released Library Connection from the gag order to prevent the Supreme Court from ruling on the case.
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: big deal "Second I didn't say Bush was a dictator I said DICTATORSHIP as in you support dictatorships in gerneral. Of course you probably failed HS English class so the concept of CONTEXT is beyond your grasp. I mentioned 1930's Germany as an example of people that think like you"
The Context of what you spelled out is in print. Maybe if you had passed basic english in grade school, you would know how to write. This is supported by the fact that you can't spell "So","perfect", or "government".
To assert that any American supports dictatorship simply because they disagree with your political views is ludicrous. Furthermore, the CONTEXT of your ANALOGY makes no sense because we, follow me here, were attacked. Hitlers rise to power came economic conditions that arose from the Treaty of Versailles (since you were to stupid to pass history). The Context of my retort is to say that both parties are complicit in the PATRIOT Act.
And by the way "Corky", no where in my response did I say that I either supported or opposed this administration or the policies passed during its tenure. You really should keep your thoughts to yourself if they're unfounded!
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kudos:6 | Re: big deal said by S_engineer:"Second I didn't say Bush was a dictator I said DICTATORSHIP as in you support dictatorships in gerneral. Of course you probably failed HS English class so the concept of CONTEXT is beyond your grasp. I mentioned 1930's Germany as an example of people that think like you" The Context of what you spelled out is in print. Maybe if you had passed basic english in grade school, you would know how to write. This is supported by the fact that you can't spell "So","perfect", or "government". To assert that any American supports dictatorship simply because they disagree with your political views is ludicrous. Furthermore, the CONTEXT of your ANALOGY makes no sense because we, follow me here, were attacked. Hitlers rise to power came economic conditions that arose from the Treaty of Versailles (since you were to stupid to pass history). The Context of my retort is to say that both parties are complicit in the PATRIOT Act. And by the way "Corky", no where in my response did I say that I either supported or opposed this administration or the policies passed during its tenure. You really should keep your thoughts to yourself if they're unfounded! I have no idea who you're talking to. Please reply to the correct post.
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| | | | | | | | "Second I didn't say Bush was a dictator I said DICTATORSHIP as in you support dictatorships in gerneral. Of course you probably failed HS English class so the concept of CONTEXT is beyond your grasp. I mentioned 1930's Germany as an example of people that think like you"
The Context of what you spelled out is in print. Maybe if you had passed basic english in grade school, you would know how to write. This is supported by the fact that you can't spell "So","perfect", or "government".
To assert that any American supports dictatorship simply because they disagree with your political views is ludicrous. Furthermore, the CONTEXT of your ANALOGY makes no sense because we, follow me here, were attacked. Hitlers rise to power came economic conditions that arose from the Treaty of Versailles (since you were to stupid to pass history). The Context of my retort is to say that both parties are complicit in the PATRIOT Act.
And by the way "Corky", no where in my response did I say that I either supported or opposed this administration or the policies passed during its tenure. You really should keep your thoughts to yourself if they're unfounded!
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Rosendale, NY | WTF happened to "checks and balances?"
Isn't the Judicial branch of the government supposed to make decisions like this?
The judge is no dictator, he is merely exercising his duty within the legal bounds of our democracy.
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| said by footballdude:A low level judge hand picked by the ACLU to deliver a prearranged judgement. You do learn something new everyday; I had no idea the ACLU handpicked our judges! Well, at least the judges they handpick deliver prearranged judgements. Which comes first, the arrangement or the judge? 
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Even shyster traffic lawyers know which courts to approach with their bogus lawsuits and which ones to avoid. The ACLU has elevated that to an art form.
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Boston, MA | Re: big deal Far cry from hand-picking judges and pre-arranging verdicts, no? Use much rhetoric? | |
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kudos:4 | said by footballdude:A low level judge hand picked by the ACLU to deliver a prearranged judgement. Happens all the time, gets overturned all the time. Didn't the Supreme Court rule a couple of years ago there was nothing wrong with this law? You are right. This one is ripe for overturning by a higher court. In fact, the gov't, on appeal, can go right to the Supreme Court on this short-circuiting the time needed to override him.
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Boston, MA | Re: big deal Same question to you: on what principle would you overturn this ruling? Please phrase your answer in the form of a quote from the constitution. Seriously, constitutional law isn't about our sensibilities, it's about what a certain document says. The 4th amendment seems pretty clear the way I read it, maybe you can enlighten me to how you read it? | |
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kudos:6 | said by Romney2012:said by footballdude:A low level judge hand picked by the ACLU to deliver a prearranged judgement. Happens all the time, gets overturned all the time. Didn't the Supreme Court rule a couple of years ago there was nothing wrong with this law? You are right. This one is ripe for overturning by a higher court. In fact, the gov't, on appeal, can go right to the Supreme Court on this short-circuiting the time needed to override him. Meanwhile, all that data gets loose, yahtzee! Or did the judge issue a stay?
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kudos:4 | Re: big deal said by AmeritecTech:said by Romney2012:said by footballdude:A low level judge hand picked by the ACLU to deliver a prearranged judgement. Happens all the time, gets overturned all the time. Didn't the Supreme Court rule a couple of years ago there was nothing wrong with this law? You are right. This one is ripe for overturning by a higher court. In fact, the gov't, on appeal, can go right to the Supreme Court on this short-circuiting the time needed to override him. Meanwhile, all that data gets loose, yahtzee! Or did the judge issue a stay? The judge issued a 90 day stay of his order while the gov't appeals.
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kudos:6 | Re: big deal said by Romney2012:The judge issued a 90 day stay of his order while the gov't appeals. Aw, rats. Oh well, I'm not too worried that it will be overturned. Judges should be signing off on these. The last time it went to the Supreme Court, the government aborted and released the plaintiff from the gag, much like the Padilla case.
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Boston, MA | said by footballdude:A low level judge hand picked by the ACLU to deliver a prearranged judgement. Happens all the time, gets overturned all the time. Didn't the Supreme Court rule a couple of years ago there was nothing wrong with this law? On what principle would you support overturning the ruling? The way I read the fourth amendment, it requires judicial warrants for searches. What would be your basis for exempting the government from that apparant requirement? | |
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| said by footballdude:A low level judge hand picked by the ACLU to deliver a prearranged judgement. Happens all the time, gets overturned all the time. Really? Last time I checked, while one could (sort of) decide where to file a case, They can NOT pick the Judge that would be assigned to it, nor can they guarantee the outcome, either.
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New York, NY | said by footballdude:A low level judge hand picked by the ACLU . . . . ...and confirmed by a Republican Senate.
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kudos:1 | So, just go back to a stack of John Does That is what they did in the 70's 80's and 90's with the telcos, does the same same thing, just costs a few pennies more and takes a few seconds extra.
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| | Great News! I don't understand why people are so willing to give up their right to privacy. Every power the government has must have a check. It's true, the government does have the power to invade your privacy as long as there is a reason to do so, and all Americans are OK with that. However, the power must go checked, and following the warrant process is the way to check that power.
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| interesting I found this statement to be very interesting:
"He found that the nondisclosure requirement — under which an Internet service provider, for instance, would not be allowed to tell customers that it was turning over their records to the government — violated free speech."
Yeah, basically. And what good would it do the person who's just had their tubes funneled into the man's grease vat to know that all their base are belong to the gov't? I suppose they could set about figuring how to prove themselves innocent, which is backa__wards too...
Here we are, YEARS later, arguing a FEW of the atrocious details of this (well, now "revised") legislation which passed because (almost) NOBODY read the thing! THAT ought to be illegal, and those who voted for it without so much as skimming its pages should be immediately tossed out in favor of a truly INDEPENDENT human being with zero party dem/pub affiliation.
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| | None of this matters None of this matters because the NSA has a direct pipeline cable into all the major Telcos. Thats hows it been the last 60 years. believe me I know... | |
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kudos:6 | Re: None of this matters said by bronxlcsw:None of this matters because the NSA has a direct pipeline cable into all the major Telcos. Thats hows it been the last 60 years. believe me I know... There's more than telcos. There's libraries, websites like DSLR...all types of places.
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"Bush seeks to grant immunity to Verizon, AT&T as they face privacy suits for helping White House eavesdrop"
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Noting that the courthouse where he resides is several blocks from the fallen World Trade Center, the judge said the Constitution was designed so that the dangers of any given moment could never justify discarding fundamental individual liberties.
He said when "the judiciary lowers its guard on the Constitution, it opens the door to far-reaching invasions of liberty."
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You will have your rights though.
Brain dead stupid, but it is what you are whining for, isn't it?
*MY PRIVACY*... He cried. *MY PRIVACY* They have violated *MY PRIVACY* in their haste to protect me...
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For your stupidity...
You will have your rights though.
Brain dead stupid, but it is what you are whining for, isn't it?
*MY PRIVACY*... He cried. *MY PRIVACY* They have violated *MY PRIVACY* in their haste to protect me...
Point your finger at *ONE* person who has been wrongly charged.
How about Brandon Mayfield? Will that do? For those of you not familiar with his case I provide the links below.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Mayfield
»www.nacdl.org/public.nsf/0/90903···Document
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kudos:6 | said by NukeInYourPocket :
Point your finger at *ONE* person who has been wrongly charged.
Charged? Who needs to charge anyone when you can throw them in jail for years without charges or trial?
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Hoboken, NJ |  (topic offline) Please Stop Handcuffing the Feds Watching Terror
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