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Patriot Act Wiretap Provisions Extended Four Years
As Senator Says NSA Taking Very Broad Interpretation of Act
by Karl Bode 01:50PM Friday May 27 2011 Tipped by KrK See Profile
"We're getting to a gap between what the public thinks the law says and what the American government secretly thinks the law says," Senator Ron Wyden tells Wired, in an interview discussing the Patriot Act. "When you’ve got that kind of a gap, you’re going to have a problem on your hands." Wyden's of course barred by confidentiality from getting any more specific, though he expresses serious concerns with the Act's approach to gathering personal data from businesses like banks, ISPs and medical establishments. With little serious discussion and opposition only from a few key lawmakers, a significant number of wiretap provisions in the Act were extended this week by Congress for another four years. President Obama then signed the Act remotely while on a trip in Europe. The Washington Post meanwhile notes which politicians flipped their vote in recent months from yes to no -- and vice versa. The full vote roll call can be found here.

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SLD
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No more secrets

There might be a few closely-guarded secrets in the name of nat'l security, but this really has to stop! Let us see what they are doing so we can decide if it is acceptable.

Duramax08
To The Moon
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Re: No more secrets

said by SLD:

Let us see what they are doing so we can decide if it is acceptable.

you have fun with that.

SLD
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Re: No more secrets

Fun? It is called civic and Constitutional accountability. Stop being so Texan.

Duramax08
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Re: No more secrets

Things are secret for various reasons. And when its for national security, they are going to keep that secret, well, a secret.
Katzendreck

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Calgary, AB

Re: No more secrets

"Various reasons" isn't good enough for me. One cannot adequately vote for a person without knowing details of what activities they are supporting or engaging in. Secrets in the name of "national security" are the biggest joke to freedom and open government.

Duramax08
To The Moon
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Re: No more secrets

"you have fun with that."
Katzendreck

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Calgary, AB

Re: No more secrets

said by Duramax08:

"you have fun with that."

I'm in Canada now. You have fun with that.

SLD
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He didn't even show up

Obama avoided the situation by not even signing in DC!

FFH
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Re: He didn't even show up

said by SLD:

Obama avoided the situation by not even signing in DC!

What does it matter where he signed it? The Office of President goes wherever the president is. And so does the press, so what did he avoid?
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Wilsdom

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Re: He didn't even show up

Using the auto-signer used for signing memorabilia and Christmas cards is an admission of the worthlessness of that office.

45612019

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New York, NY

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The Corruption Meter

I see the Patriot Act as a clever tool to measure corruption levels in the United States government. Because it has to be renewed every few years, it's an accurate way to measure how many corrupt fascists reside in the current Congress.

So when an extension to this thing fails to pass one day, we will know that corruption in the U.S. government has been pushed down to manageable levels.

...I don't expect to see that in my lifetime.

EUS
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I was just reading about this +

That the state of emergency declared from 9/11 is still in effect?

ArrayList
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Re: I was just reading about this +

yea and I say that our politicians are a bunch of scared babies. Grow a pair and turn off the freaking alarm.
talz13

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Avon, OH

Re: I was just reading about this +

this is beginning to sound like the situation in egypt, where the government was using all the powers reserved for state of emergency... lets ask the president of egypt how that is going for him now...
WernerSchutz

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Sugar Land, TX

Re: I was just reading about this +

said by talz13:

this is beginning to sound like the situation in egypt, where the government was using all the powers reserved for state of emergency... lets ask the president of egypt how that is going for him now...

It is a bad thing only when someone else does it.

Like say, waterboarding.

Or the KLA (Kosovo LIberation Army), labeled as terrorist organization (properly) until they conveniently became our allies to fight Slobodan Milosevic (which was just defending Serbia, as its president), then they magically were renamed "freedom fighters".

Or the the "freedom fighters" mujahedeen fighting Soviets, which became terrorists when supporting the Taliban.

A matter of perspective, seems.
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Washington At Work Again

Funny how quickly they can all come together to eviscerate our rights in perpetuity, isn't it?

Create jobs? Takes forever. Pass a budget? Even longer. Get Americans healthcare? Forget it.

But in 5 minutes, they can pass this, and how dare we have any floor votes on amendments that would "endanger" the country.

This is why I'm done with politics.
gorehound

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Portland, ME

Re: Washington At Work Again

me too.you vote for either democrats or republicans and you are so screwed.
time to vote indie all the time and put my money where my mouth is.
the more who vote indie the less the other two parties will get.

Simba7
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Go Montana!

At least both of our senators were against this POS.

Too bad the majority vote approved it.

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Re: Go Montana!

said by Simba7:

At least both of our senators were against this POS.

Too bad the majority vote approved it.

Maybe they didn't want to aggravate the militia groups in Montana that are classified by the US as terrorist organizations and subject to the Patriot Act. Lots of militia supporters voting in Montana.
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whfsdude
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My representatives didn't vote for or against it.
Os

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Re: Go Montana!

That's the great thing about being in DC. You at least know you don't have a voice in government! Too bad they put up theatre for the rest of us.

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That's right but we must remember to protect all our rights. They are trying to regain control but as we seen that when people had enough they get up go to the capital and put their foot down and shout, "We are tired of this, we are fed up and we are not taking it anymore!" Then proceed to fire every one of them bums who caused this chaos.....
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motoracer

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We lost...

The terrorists won. They instilled the idea that were are never safe and have to give up our freedoms because of them.

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Re: We lost...

said by motoracer:

The terrorists won.

agreed

45612019

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The American government ARE the terrorists.

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Re: We lost...

Now your seeing the situation, I hope.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
»www.nndb.com

Heres your no-longer conspiracy, all the proof you should ever need (as if we needed more).

Don't forget you can be arrested for showing respect to our (now defunct) constitutions founding fathers.

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said by 45612019:

The American government ARE the terrorists.

Sadly, this maybe true.
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old scumbag, meet new scumbag

g w bush = b h obama

meanwhile the microscope should have been over in Pakistan!
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Worthy of your time

»www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011···ct_mayer
firedrakes

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Re: Worthy of your time

if i was the president. i would fire most of the senate and higher- ups . i send them to a hell hold and see if they like it. AND higher people that have work in the fields.that this talkers got voted in by the companys.

Steve
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Re: Worthy of your time

said by firedrakes:

if i was the president. i would fire most of the senate and higher- ups .

The President can't fire the Senate.

atuarre
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Re: Worthy of your time

said by Steve:

said by firedrakes:

if i was the president. i would fire most of the senate and higher- ups .

The President can't fire the Senate.

He can however issue Executive Order 66.

Rogue Wolf
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Re: Worthy of your time

No good. Everyone knows that politicians are Sith, not Jedi.

OldschoolDSL
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Classified

The bill / law and the legal interpretation has been classified.

How can we still be a democracy or even a republic, if the laws become classified?!

Even a dictatorship wants you to know the laws.
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Federal Secrecy of Communication Act

George W. Bush tore up the above mentioned "act" in one feld swoop in 2001 when he issued a "pesidential order" that was responsible for new software being installed in every digital telephone exchange across the USA. The purpose of this modification was to allow the monitoring of any and all cell phone calls, outgoing or incoming, across the US. I am aware of this because I was one of the technicians installing that sotware in the telephone exchanges in south/cental New Mexico. I have been in this business since 1968 and this was the first, one and only time, that I ever was witness to the above mentioned "act", an "act" that a copy of which I have been required to sign every year, was so totally disregarded in such a sweeping manner. Those software modifications are still in place. They have been since mid 2001.
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Re: Federal Secrecy of Communication Act

whozzit

Nothing new with Phone call monitoring. That always been do since the invention of the telephone and possible even the telegraph.

wrong number

@digitalpath.net

Re: Federal Secrecy of Communication Act

Throughout all of those years that we signed onto the "act" we were bound to never disclose the contents of a conversation or the fact that a conversation had ever taken place (when working in large switching centers you hear portions of conversations tens of times per day). Had to "keep the lips zipped" or the feds would be after you. Now the feds maintain nothing but record everything. The country is in the bucket. I give it four to eight years.
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The spooks..

don't really care what the law says; they do as they d*** well please. They care very little for what the law is anyay; they know full well that no one can stop them. Anyone who complains about their activities is labeled "pro-terrorist".

Himmler would be proud of the "Patriot Act".