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Ericsson unveils new 'kill pill' remote modem technology
(old news - 04:34PM Wednesday Apr 01 2009)
tags: business · wireless · hardware · networking
Both AT&T and Verizon have started offering netbooks for $50 to $100 if users sign up for long-term 3G data contracts. It's a nice deal for carriers, as the money they spend up front is recouped over two years at $60 per month plus fees. Or more, if the user doesn't understand there's a 5GB cap and winds up with a huge bandwidth bill from overage charges. But what if the user takes the netbook deal and then stops paying their bills, sticking the carrier at a loss? Enter Ericsson's new netbook kill switch:
LM Ericsson AB, the Swedish company that makes many of the modems that go into laptops, announced Tuesday that its new modem will deal with this issue by including a feature that's virtually a wireless repo man. If the carrier has the stomach to do so, it can send a signal that completely disables the computer, making it impossible to turn on. "We call it a 'kill pill,'" said Mats Norin, Ericsson's vice president of mobile broadband modules.
Granted, the damage they'd take on their credit is all the incentive most users need to keep paying the bills, but carriers now have a new option. Still, it's hard to think most operators would actually use it. Ericsson's kill pill is more useful as a security resource for corporate laptops/netbooks that wander off the reservation. Assuming it can't be easily disabled by a five-year-old.

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vpoko
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Of course it can be disabled

Like anything else, I'm sure a determined user could defeat it.

Nightshade
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Re: Of course it can be disabled

Couldn't you disable the internal modem and buy a external non-Ericsson modem to use?

NetAdmin
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Re: Of course it can be disabled

said by Nightshade See Profile :

Couldn't you disable the internal modem and buy a external non-Ericsson modem to use?
For this to work, the Netbook would have to receive notification that the owner's account is past due and to do that, it would need to connect to the network. So, yes, disabling the modem should prevent this from working, unless Ericsson made it so that the user can't disable the modem.
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insomniac84

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Re: Of course it can be disabled

said by NetAdmin See Profile :

said by Nightshade See Profile :

Couldn't you disable the internal modem and buy a external non-Ericsson modem to use?
For this to work, the Netbook would have to receive notification that the owner's account is past due and to do that, it would need to connect to the network. So, yes, disabling the modem should prevent this from working, unless Ericsson made it so that the user can't disable the modem.
Physically damage the modem, or use a jammer.
keyboard5684

join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA

Re: Of course it can be disabled

Remove the modem?

Sounds to simple to work.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: Of course it can be disabled

said by keyboard5684 See Profile :

Remove the modem?

Sounds to simple to work.
I'm sure the BIOS will be interlocked with the card. Remove the card, BIOS won't boot.

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Re: Of course it can be disabled

said by patcat88 See Profile :

I'm sure the BIOS will be interlocked with the card. Remove the card, BIOS won't boot.
Unless you have either:

a.) Worked for Ericson
or
b.) Done this yourself

You are doing nothing more then guessing/hoping that this is actually the case.

insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN

Re: Of course it can be disabled

said by Logan 5 See Profile :

said by patcat88 See Profile :

I'm sure the BIOS will be interlocked with the card. Remove the card, BIOS won't boot.
Unless you have either:

a.) Worked for Ericson
or
b.) Done this yourself

You are doing nothing more then guessing/hoping that this is actually the case.
If it's not the case, the security is meaningless.

And if it is the case you can replace the motherboard. Granted if you are after corporate information you would probably only want the hard drive anyways.
dfxmatt

join:2007-08-21
Evanston, IL

Re: Of course it can be disabled

of course security is meaningless. You have physical access to the device! Not to mention if they disable it when contract changes/you refuse the change, they'll have a huge legal issue on their hands.
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said by Nightshade See Profile :

Couldn't you disable the internal modem and buy a external non-Ericsson modem to use?
Probably. Just yank it out, replace, end of story.

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said by vpoko See Profile :

Like anything else, I'm sure a determined user could defeat it.
x2

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Goinginsane

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Ericsson

Ericsson products suck, this laptop will probably break before the consumer decides to stop paying for the service.
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seederjed

join:2005-02-28
Snellville, GA

Embedded kill switch

I don't have a netbook, but wouldn'ta re-flash of XP or Linux stop this? Or is embedded in the hardware and untouchable by the OS?

Eat Me

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ

Re: Embedded kill switch

Probably embedded in the hardware.

Someone will find a way around this though.

BTW, reason enough for me not to buy any subsidized netbook.

dvd536
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Re: Embedded kill switch

said by Eat Me See Profile :

Someone will find a way around this though.
modchip?
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this sounds much like a modem going into Walledgarden, as long as they can send an unkill signal too.

an interesting change to this would be when turned on if you have a Past due balance the only screen that comes up is a payment screen.
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ninjatutle
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Dell has this feature

I went to flash the bios within XP with their app after doing some upgrades. Then, BaM! The PC was rendered useless and I had to replace the motherboard out of my own pocket change. I had to use lots of change.

Eat Me

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Sussex, NJ

Re: Dell has this feature

That's not the same feature. I think you just simply bricked your laptop.
k1ll3rdr4g0n

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Re: Dell has this feature

said by Eat Me See Profile :

That's not the same feature. I think you just simply bricked your laptop.
I agree, I think that the flash just went wrong. Did you try holding your breathing and making a prayer?

Btw, why were you flashing it in the first place?

ninjatutle
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Re: Dell has this feature

I flashed it because they had to fixes. You had to update the bios first in order to have these patch work.

I forgot to say a prayer before I flashed it. I'm never doing a flash again unless its under warranty.

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Re: Dell has this feature

said by ninjatutle See Profile :

I flashed it because....
I forgot to say a prayer before I flashed it.
Next time just keep your trenchcoat closed.
patcat88

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debt collectors

When your "debt" gets sold to a faceless debt collector, the "debt collector" will "initiate" the e-repossession because you now have stolen property of the debt collectors. Carrier's PR is not harmed.
nnaarrnn

join:2004-09-30
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Sim card

Wouldn't removing the SIM card before they "kill pill" it be a way around it?
DarkLogix

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Re: Sim card

I call April Fools on this news post
patcat88

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Re: Sim card

said by DarkLogix See Profile :

I call April Fools on this news post
Sounds like some way to kill those "lost" laptops that contain the credit cards and identities of a couple 100 million people, or the laptops that belong to laid off/fired employees. Makes the executives and politicians feel better the information was terminated (meanwhile is was copied away from the machine hours/days/minutes before the kill signal was issued). This sounds like something Lenovo would do for its corporate clients.

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said by DarkLogix See Profile :

I call April Fools on this news post
The linked article was dated March 31 so I say it's real.

Visage

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It all depends on how well they hide it. Some networks do not use a SIM, so they may just hide it on the PCIe card. If it's hidden on a board that is soldered into the mainboard, then that presents another issue. As already stated: someone will have a fix for this in a matter of days -- if not hours.
patcat88

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Re: Sim card

said by Visage :

It all depends on how well they hide it. Some networks do not use a SIM, so they may just hide it on the PCIe card. If it's hidden on a board that is soldered into the mainboard, then that presents another issue. As already stated: someone will have a fix for this in a matter of days -- if not hours.
Replacing the BGA flash chip on the mobo that is wave soldered on.
me1212

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WFT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!

Is that legal!? Is it extortion?!
sven_kirk3

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Re: WFT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!

OnStar is the vehicle version of this

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Re: WFT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!

said by sven_kirk3 See Profile :

OnStar is the vehicle version of this
Onstar has a car killswitch?
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Re: WFT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!

No, I have Onstar and wanted it out, mostly because it is connected to the radio, wanted to replace the radio, etc.

Anyway, the only thing Onstar can do is track the vehicle. It can do diagnostics and stuff, but unless it is something new, there is no kill switch.

Repo guys are pretty good at finding vehicles anyway, do not pay and they will probably find the car, Onstar or not.

FBI

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said by DrModem See Profile :

said by sven_kirk3 See Profile :

OnStar is the vehicle version of this
Onstar has a car killswitch?
Please reply with your address so we can send our good men to terminate you. You have obtained illicit knowledge critical to American security.

NSAAgent

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said by DrModem See Profile :

said by sven_kirk3 See Profile :

OnStar is the vehicle version of this
Onstar has a car killswitch?
Under the authority of Executive Order 12333, dated December 4, 1981, and pursuant to Title 18, United States Code (U.S.C), Section 2709 (as amended, October 26, 2001), you are hereby directed to provide your address so we detain and terminate you on cause of knowledge endangering the national security of the United States of America.
astroblaster

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Re: WFT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!

if you a******s really worked for these agencies you would not be asking for an address...
i think both of you have no social life and should seriously consider hiring the services of a prostitute...or at least visit a strip club...
losers!

avd706
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Re: WFT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!

Or you could just shut them up with a quick google search.

»www.google.com/search?q=onstar+k···irefox-a
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said by me1212 See Profile :

Is that legal!? Is it extortion?!
This is not extortion. And there is no way it should be able to be considered illegal.

The wireless carrier offers you a discount on the computer to make the initial purchase less expensive for the customer, and the customer agrees to a legally binding contract saying they will pay at least $X for Y months. This allows the carrier to make back the money they lost on the initial sale, and make some profit. Which is why they exist... to make a profit.

If the customer doesn't make good on their contract, they don't get to keep using the computer. Or, as another example, if someone doesn't pay their home mortgage or car loan, they don't get to keep the house or car. Or, for that matter, if they don't pay their phone bill, their phone is service turned off.

Why should anyone expect to get to use something they didn't pay for?

On the other hand, if the customer pays their bills, they have nothing to worry about.
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Re: WFT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!

So what happens after the contract has been fulfilled by both parties?

Does the 'kill switch' get uninstalled?

What happens when the kill switch gets activated after contract expiration?

Does the client know that there is a kill switch in their product?

Will the wireless carrier even try to inform the customer about their draconian measures?
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jmn1207
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How Much is My Bill?

It's a shame that they can't find a solution that warns users when their usage costs exceed 1000% of their normal bill. Hate to read about people racking up bills over $10,000.

ninjatutle
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Re: How Much is My Bill?

There is a meter built into the connection manager.

ExitWound
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Difference?

What's the difference between this and say the power company turning off your power, or the water company turning off your water?
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openbox9

join:2004-01-26
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Re: Difference?

The big difference is that the telco already spent the money on the subsidized netbook so they are out the initial investment. The utility companies are preventing future loss of revenue.
dslfan

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I think it is a joke (this time)

APRIL 1ST PEOPLE! Someone is messing with us rofl.
sven_kirk3

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Re: I think it is a joke (this time)

Yahoo posted the story yesterday at 8:30 pm.
ABC news has same story also.
Mr Matt

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More Bull Feces.

More Bull Feces from the monopolists. Before I would sign up for such a deal I would want to know who owns the Netbook, who owns the modem and who owns the data on the Netbook. This reminds me of cell phone bull feces. Some wireless carriers do not want to unlock a customers cell phone, even if their contract has been fulfilled and they have paid for their phone. How long will it be before a wireless provider tells a customer that if they cancel their service their computer will be permanently disabled.
AVonGauss
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Stupidity

IANAL, but I would bet there are serious legal ramifications and liability attachments for using such a mechanism in the US. The NetBook is being sold in conjunction with service, not leased from the company.
Chaldo

join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI

Buy then pay cancel fee?

Can't you buy the computer, then after like a month pay the cancellation fee for the line and keep the netbook? hahaha?!?!

Arctic nut

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Thief River Falls, MN

Re: Buy then pay cancel fee?

Or head over to the nearest Staples and buy a netbook for less than $300 and byo connectivity. With my luck, the internal cell modem would take a dump rendering the thing bricked before the contract term ends anyway.
Desdinova

join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD

Hmm...

And just wait until some scriptkiddie figures out how to launch a virus that will trip the kill switch and bring down the entire user base. I would NOT want to handle PR for the service provider at that time...

Kevin83165

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Herrin, IL

re

Wow, I will never buy one of these. When companies start forcing their way on me like this, I simply quit buying.

avd706
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Re: re

said by Kevin83165 See Profile :

Wow, I will never buy one of these. When companies start forcing their way on me like this, I simply quit buying.
After a while I just relax and enjoy it.
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