  netwirePremium
join:2001-04-27
Shelby, NC
kudos:1 | Same in NC I'm in NC, 28150 area and at&t has yet to bring 3G here even though Sprint already has, and so has VZ. | |
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 | | | Re: Same in NC Same in the 60115 area of Illinois. Sprint is the only one that has 3G here, they've had EVDO for close to 3 years now and its in most areas around here. Verizon and AT&T stop their 3G network about 15-20 miles east of here. I don't use any broadband cards, but I do have a PDA Phone, so I use the internet quite a bit on it. The lack of 3G in my area has really been the only reason I haven't considered another carrier. | |
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|  davoice
join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC | And oddly enough, I think so has Alltel!? Looks like AT&T is the last cow into the barn in may areas, including ours.
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| |  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Same in NC I don't think T-Mobile has 3G there yet.
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| Re: Same in NC said by en102:I don't think T-Mobile has 3G there yet. T-Mobile doesn't have 3G anywhere in the U.S. | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Same in NC Exactly my point. It _should_ be up soon, on AWS spectrum.
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| | People Aren't Impressed with AT&T's 3g Launch I don't understand the problem. I've just spent the last month testing both Sprint and AT&T mobile broadband in over six regions/cities and AT&T has never fared any worse than equal to Sprint. In fact, I just returned from two weeks in the Honolulu area, and could not even find a Sprint signal worth working with. The AT&T 3g signal was only present in the Honolulu proper area (airport/West and Diamond head/East), but it made Sprint look sick. Likewise comparisons in areas that are both listed high speed (3G) and otherwise, AT&T matched up quite well. Well enough to return my Sprint PC card and cancel my trial period. I have used the cards also in the SF/Oakland area, Las Vegas, Quad Cities (RI, Davenport, Moline, and Bettendorf), San Antonio, and Washington, DC. Come to think of it, I have also tried it in the Memphis, Chicago, SLC, and Atlanta airports. But let me add this footnote, I'm not overly impressed with any of the mobile broadband (and I've tried Verizon too), its just a means of trying to stay connected. I would not want to work or live with any of the three efforts on a full time basis. | |
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|  gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
2 edits | Re: People Aren't Impressed with AT&T's 3g Launch At&t, initiative, take. The omen of doom is upon you.
Can start with fiber to my house, its right in the street! | |
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| | | | Re: People Aren't Impressed with AT&T's 3g Launch Thank you for that uninteresting and uninformative gibberish. | |
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| | | gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | Re: People Aren't Impressed with AT&T's 3g Launch said by matrix3D:Thank you for that uninteresting and uninformative gibberish. Yo, when the ONT is installed on my house, I will try to be more informative and interesting  promise | |
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|  tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
1 edit | said by tcasdorph:I don't understand the problem. I've just spent the last month testing both Sprint and AT&T mobile broadband in over six regions/cities and AT&T has never fared any worse than equal to Sprint. In fact, I just returned from two weeks in the Honolulu area, and could not even find a Sprint signal worth working with. The AT&T 3g signal was only present in the Honolulu proper area (airport/West and Diamond head/East), but it made Sprint look sick. Likewise comparisons in areas that are both listed high speed (3G) and otherwise, AT&T matched up quite well. Well enough to return my Sprint PC card and cancel my trial period. I have used the cards also in the SF/Oakland area, Las Vegas, Quad Cities (RI, Davenport, Moline, and Bettendorf), San Antonio, and Washington, DC. Come to think of it, I have also tried it in the Memphis, Chicago, SLC, and Atlanta airports. But let me add this footnote, I'm not overly impressed with any of the mobile broadband (and I've tried Verizon too), its just a means of trying to stay connected. I would not want to work or live with any of the three efforts on a full time basis. One thing to say..
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| | Coverage comparison ATT is only at about 150m maybe more by now. Sprint is at 215m and plans to it 230m by end of this year. Verizon has at least 210m covered based on last report. | |
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join:2004-03-18
UK | EV-DO? Perhaps your telcos should consider joining most of the rest of the world and investing in GSM / UMTS / HSDPA technology instead of CDMA.
Economies of scale, cheaper deployments, better peer review of technologies as you actually have peers to review them, all good! Yes it does mean not keeping it in the USA by handing money to Qualcomm but surely a good thing.
Yours, with love from a 3.6Mbit/s HSDPA network. | |
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| | | Re: EV-DO? The ironic thing with your post is that the company playing catch up is using HSDPA. The companys with the most widely deployed EVDO are both using CDMA services. | |
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| | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: EV-DO? Only in the U.S.
CDMA subs = +377million, 75 million EVDO
GSM subs = +2.5 billion, +138 million UMTS/HSDPA
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| | | | said by Perhaps your telcos should consider joining most of the rest of the world and investing in GSM / UMTS / HSDPA technology instead of CDMA.
Economies of scale, cheaper deployments, better peer review of technologies as you actually have peers to review them, all good! Yes it does mean not keeping it in the USA by handing money to Qualcomm but surely a good thing.
Yours, with love from a 3.6Mbit/s HSDPA network.
[/BQUOTE :said by music4praise:Another ironic thing is that HSDPA uses a version of CDMA as the air interface (W-CDMA to be specific). The particular version of CDMA was not developed by Qualcomm but a number of Qualcomm patents are involved. What is more ironic is that ATT uses GSM and NOT CDMA. | |
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| | | Another ironic thing is that HSDPA uses a version of CDMA as the air interface (W-CDMA to be specific). The particular version of CDMA was not developed by Qualcomm but a number of Qualcomm patents are involved. | |
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|  huntml
join:2002-01-23
Mullica Hill, NJ | As has been pointed out HSDPA *is* a CDMA technology, just not one that is part of the CDMAOne/CDMA2000 evolutionary path.
That said, though, from what I've read, I get the idea that most of the chipsets that have been manufactured in the last several years, and will be manufactured going forward, are or will be physically able to support most popular air interface standards. What standards they are actually able to access are determined by how the software controlling the radio functions is implemented on the handset.
This being the case, the technical impediments to cross-interface roaming are not insurmountable, and Sprint and ATTM (just as an example) could roam on each others' networks in the U.S. even right now, if they wanted to spend a relatively small additional amount to add such capabilities to the software in their handsets.
According to this view, the fact that such agreements don't exist is at least as attributable to business decisions as it is to technical limitations, and all the wrangling about evolutionary paths, etc., isn't anywhere near as significant, really, as it's played up to be.
(This seems to make sense to me, especially given the fact that CDMA/GSM handsets have existed for sometime, e.g., Sprint's Samsung IP-830w smartphone, which will roam on GSM 1900 internationally, but not on T-Mo or ATTM.)
Can someone with the requisite technical knowledge weigh in on this? | |
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join:2000-09-05
Dayton, OH
kudos:1
·RoadRunner Cable
| 3G Rolled Out In..... ....Dayton and Cincinnati, Ohio recently.
I normally stay up late and had been watching my cell phone go through a series of reboots or attempts to obtain a signal over a 2 week period recently.
Just after that settled down, my phone started showing me the I had 3G service.
Took a trip to Cincinnati at Halloween and got 3G most of the way there and back, with exceptions in a couple of outlying areas that were not populated densely.
And there is yet to be any announcement about from ATT/Cingular publicly about the availability of 3G service.
I got into a heated exchange at a local Radio Shack over 3G phones, and they told me it was not available. Showed them my phone and they said, "ATT has not even informed us of the availability of this."
And at a corporate ATT/Cingular store, they too were taken by surprise when the 3G service went live. They had no warning and are still awaiting word from HQ about the availability of it.
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join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK | this is nothing new AT&T follows, as usual. When is the last time they innovated? It's all about cautious deployment. Can't spend too much, or the stock holders will throw a fit!
The funny thing about that is...last time I looked AT&T stock was not exactly booming.
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| | Pittsburgh area AT&T still does not have any EVDO coverage in Pittsburgh PA. VZW and Sprint are the only two choices here. | |
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|  ilikemeI live in a van down by the river.Premium
join:2002-08-27
Denton, TX
kudos:1
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| Re: Pittsburgh area said by CurGeorge8:AT&T still does not have any EVDO coverage in Pittsburgh PA. VZW and Sprint are the only two choices here. I dont think At&t will ever have EVDO coverage there or anywhere else. They use UMTS/HSPDA.
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| | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
1 edit | Re: Pittsburgh area 
Actually, AT&T does have 3G UMTS/HSDPA coverage in Pittsburgh PA, according to their coverage maps.
They've had 3G here in So-Cal since July/August, but have only recently updated their coverage maps. I had many issues with 3G on my Samsung ZX-20 - tons of dropped calls in 3G mode only. After going through enough escalations, I've received a Motorola V3xx, which works much better.
What a lot of people don't understand, and why 3G/UMTS has been so slow to deploy are at least the following:
1. UMTS requires a minimum of 5MHz of clean spectrum (vs. 1.25MHz for EVDO) - large chunks are not always easy to come by w/o a significant buildout of sites
2. UMTS handles both voice and data traffic AND has to handoff voice traffic to GSM. EVDO is data only
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| | | ilikemeI live in a van down by the river.Premium
join:2002-08-27
Denton, TX
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: Pittsburgh area said by en102: Actually, AT&T does have 3G UMTS/HSDPA coverage in Pittsburgh PA, according to their coverage maps. But they dont have EVDO and never will lol.
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| | | | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Pittsburgh area Exactly... I don't suspect Sprint or Verizon would ever have UMTS either.
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| | | I am in the Pittsburgh area and just switched from Sprint to ATT. ATT does have 3G using HSPDA, EVDO is a CDMA technology (hence vzw and sprint.)
I am very happy with ATTs 3G. The best I did with Sprint was about 450-500 kilobits per second. With ATT I have received about 1.7 megabits per second and I can talk on the phone while data is transferring at the same time.
Not to mention I am much happier with AT&Ts network compared to Sprint's in this area... | |
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join:2001-12-01
Chicago, IL
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1 edit | I am impressed with AT&T 3G I've used Sprint & Verizon EVDO Rev.A and recently was offered a test HSUPA card the Sierra 881 from my internal wireless support. I've been traveling frequently between Chicago, Boston, and driving all over the state of Ohio (consistent 3G coverage across most of the state: Dayton, Cinci, Columbus, Cleveland and Toledo)
The speeds with ATT seem to be superior to equal that of both Vz and Sprint, the latency is an improvement averaging around 80-90ms. Speeds are averaging 1.2m down and 400-600k up. I did however notice that Chicago consistently sees slower download speeds (around 800-950k) perhaps Chicago's network has a little heavier use or over subscription.
After being impressed with ATT mobility's broadband service I have decided to leave my 5 years with T-Mobile and move my Windows Mobile device over to ATT. I'm now using 3G internet connection sharing. I remain impressed.
recent test
ignore the myvzw.com domain, ATT is using the same IP block provider Verizon is, and DSLR has not updated this in their dB. | |
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| | | Re: I am impressed with AT&T 3G Yep I get 1.2-1.5 mbps down/350 kbps upload speeds in Baltimore tethering my ATT Tilt (8925) to my laptop. Far more than the consevative estimates of 400-700kbps down.
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| | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: I am impressed with AT&T 3G I'm sure once there's a lot of congestion, 400-700kbps will become a bit more normal. Typically, some have noticed better speeds in the more rural areas due to congestion (i.e. only so many users can download at any given time).
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| | mjbuzby
join:2004-12-11
Cockeysville, MD | said by wayne8888:Yep I get 1.2-1.5 mbps down/350 kbps upload speeds in Baltimore tethering my ATT Tilt (8925) to my laptop. Far more than the consevative estimates of 400-700kbps down. Wayne what is your latency like | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: I am impressed with AT&T 3G When I used a Samsung ZX-20 here in Los Angeles, I was getting ~120ms
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I believe that the popularity of the IPhone which is not 3G (and operates only on the Edge (sludge )network) brings down the ATT average big time. I am always in the 1.3 plus mbps range whether using a Cingular/ATT 8525 (HTC Hermes) or ATT 8925 (HTC Kaiser)to tether to my laptop.
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| en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: TDMA Most of CA/NV under AT&T has GSM on both 850 and 1900 MHz, but shutting off/freeing up the TDMA/AMPS spectrum will help for deployment in general. Here in Los Angeles, GSM is 850/1900 (Cell A, PCS D) and 3G is on a piece of PCS B (B3). San Diego County runs 3G on PCS D, and GSM on 850 (cell A) and PCS F1 and C3.
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 fancydancerPerception is realityPremium
join:2002-08-28
Springfield, IL | Sigh... I had Cingular/AT&T until June when my company furnished a Sprint PDA (PPC6700) for me. At that time it was just Edge and now that I have Sprint its 1x only! 
And there is no ETA on Sprint upgrading to EVDO around here.
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| | | Re: Sigh... 3g went live in buffalo last week much faster than edge but still not overly impressive. Also some smartphones are having issues when they have to fall back to edge if you leave service area. | |
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 RR ConductorHappy 40th AmtrakPremium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
kudos:1 | 3G in Mendocino County, NW CA We have three carriers here, US Cellular, Edge Wireless (AT&T Affiliate) and Verizon. Currently, Edge Wireless has their 3G (HSDPA) up in the Ukiah area, but still no EVDO from either Verizon or US Cellular here, though Verizon says by the end of the year or the first of next year. | |
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 Boomer86never say roadkillPremium
join:2002-10-18
Walden, NY | big bucks Considering the billions the globe just spent to acquire Dobson (and the need to upgrade pretty much all of that territory to 3G), I would hesitate to see a more rapid deployment.
When it comes of course, it will be a welcome improvement over EDGE.
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| | Even slow is good Also remember, that even slow 3G is better than GSM/EDGE -- with UMTS you can have an incoming call while data transfer is in progress. With GSM you're out of luck.
Of course if you only browse wap sites on the phone it's not a problem. But if you actively use SSH/VOIP/Whatever you may have calls rolling into voicemail | |
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| RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Re: Even slow is good Yep. With my LG CU500 connected to my laptop I routinely get over a megabit in ATT 3G areas and I can place and take voice calls while online too. EDGE sort of works but only as an ISDN-like last resort.
Not sure what people are expecting, really. Nobody has really decent mobile speeds yet.
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| | not impress with 3g, but impress with EDGE! haha people arent impress with ATT 3G?
this just to shows you how f.up people really are!
u not impress with 3G, but impress with iphone 10years old technology EDGE! | |
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| huntml
join:2002-01-23
Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: not impress with 3g, but impress with EDGE! haha But, you know, it's an *iPhone.* That's different. ::rolleyes:: | |
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| | sprint vs att I am not sure how Sprint could have more high speed access than at&t. Those I know with Sprint are always having their voice connections drop because of bad reception. | |
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