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Phorm tells us they've no plans to pay you, denies report...
(old news - 09:09AM Wednesday Jan 07 2009)
tags: legal · prices · business · privacy · content · consumers
We've been talking about behavioral advertising services (and the sale of your browsing data) for years now, from interviewing now-derailed NebuAD's CEO, to exploring how former rootkit developer Phorm has been pitching their service as an anti-phishing solution. One of many questions we've seen raised fairly consistently: if ISPs are estimated to make up to $5 per month, per user, what's wrong with passing some of that on to consumers? Apparently, Phorm continues to consider the idea as an incentive, according to New Media Age:
...the controversial ISP behavioural targeting company, which works by serving relevant ads to consumers based on their surfing habits, is undertaking research to discover what kind of offers users would regard as valuable enough to sign up. It's thought promotions could include money off phone or broadband bills. They would be promoted
Consumer research demonstrates strong demand from Internet users for our current offer which improves their browsing experience by reducing the amount of irrelevant advertising they see and helping to protect them from phishing/online fraud.
-Phorm
Of course Phorm, who has plans to expand operations into the United States, has pitched this idea previously in surveys to customers -- though nothing ever came of it. If such an idea does progress, the money would have to come out of the ad companies' pockets. ISPs already sell your clickstream data under the table without your consent and without passing on the savings in the form of lower bills.

It's unlikely they want this arrangement to change.

In speaking with Phorm, they say they've announced no incentive program yet, and it doesn't sound like they plan to. According to a company spokesperson, the company believes that the improved "browsing experience" of having your browsing data bought and sold should be reward enough.

"We have never announced an incentive program," spokesperson Stephanie Willerton tells us. "Each of our ISP partners will decide how to present Webwise to their customers, giving users a clear choice over their participation," she says. "Consumer research demonstrates strong demand from Internet users for our current offer which improves their browsing experience by reducing the amount of irrelevant advertising they see and helping to protect them from phishing/online fraud."

Of course to many it's about privacy, not money. If Phorm wants to expand to the United States, they've still got to get past a Congress concerned that behavioral advertising systems may violate both privacy and wiretap laws. NebuAD imploded after ISPs, fearing legal liability, got cold feet. Phorm can't operate in the United States until the legality of such services are worked out (or ad and telco lobbyists convince Congress to back off).

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JasonOD

@comcast.net

I don't like Pharm, but paying individuals is......

always the least effective way to gain business. It's just never a best strategy. If the $5mo per subscriber is accurate, I can't imagine any ISP who wouldn't be at least seriously tempted, so I'm sure they'll have plenty of business in any case.

TSI Gabe
Premium,VIP
join:2007-01-03
Chatham, ON

Advertising?

You'd have to pay me more than 5$ a month to get me to use this "service"...
satellite68

join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY

My browsing data...

Available for sale for $50,000 US per month. Tax free. In perpetuity. Benefit to be passed to beneficiary I name, and then in perpetuity until that individual does the same, and so on. With an annual increase not to exceed 50% but not to fall below 49% of said $50k per month. No conditions towards me or my browsing data, other than the prompt electronic deposit of said $50k on the first of each month.

bit_junkie

join:2004-05-04
Maricopa, AZ

Re: My browsing data...

said by satellite68 See Profile :

Available for sale for $50,000 US per month. Tax free. In perpetuity. Benefit to be passed to beneficiary I name, and then in perpetuity until that individual does the same, and so on. With an annual increase not to exceed 50% but not to fall below 49% of said $50k per month. No conditions towards me or my browsing data, other than the prompt electronic deposit of said $50k on the first of each month.
Ditto...

But seriously, if NebuAd could'nt succeed, what makes Phorm think they will ?

anony101

@comcast.net

Re: My browsing data...

They succeeded in the UK. That makes them bold enough to try it in the US.

Jonah

@theplanet.com

Re: My browsing data...

If they've succeeded why are they desperately once again floating this non starter to the UK Press?

The Only Supporters are the UK Government Departments (which took it at face value & didn't look at the pitfalls of the Technology), The AD/Media Interests & Phorm.

They've slowly driven themselves into a frenzy trying to promote the un-promotable!

Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
Premium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
·AT&T U-Verse

Is not for sale at any price.

It's not the money, its the very idea that Phorm could bribe someone into giving up their privacy.

And instead of accepting something like this, I would use a utility like Anti-Phorm Lite to pollute their databases with junk. I already do so for Google, Yahoo, MSN/Live Search and AOL using an extension for Firefox called TrackMeNot. It generates bogus search phrases every two seconds while Firefox is running.
--
"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
Tristan

join:2006-09-10
Nepean, ON

Phorm bribes

Screw off Phorm! I'm not for sale.

Madness
A flea circus at a dog show.

join:2000-01-05
Quincy, MA

Re: Phorm bribes

They can }x{ my (__|__)!

viperpa33s
Why Me?
Premium
join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
·Bright House

Why can't I profit?

It's funny how companies can make money off of my personal information but I don't make a dime. Just think of the residual income I can make a month from all these companies that sell my info. If Phorm wants to make money off of my personal info then I should get at least 70% of the profits they make from that info.
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