Physical DVDs Get Longer, More Annoying Piracy Warnings Entertainment Industry Hopes You'll Get Educated Tipped by bt 
Both Ice and the FBI recently announced that they'd be making the unskippable anti-piracy warning messages at the beginning of DVDs longer and more obnoxious. The two new warnings come with updated, scarier looking logos, last ten seconds each, and won't be skippable by the consumer. The rather obvious irony of course is that only legitimate customers are seeing these warnings; download the same film from any BitTorrent tracker and you'll find those warnings stripped out. The fact that the entertainment industry (and their personal protection forces at the FBI and and ICE) are simply annoying paying customers continues to be an elusive realization.
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 | | Yes, because degrading the user experience adds value Funny, most consumers would rather get right to the movie instead of sit through warnings and forced trailers.
Like most laws, anti piracy efforts only apply to those who are already following the rules.
Much like waiting period for a gun. A criminal will use a different distribution channel.
Same with drugs, no legal way... but so many people have them and can get them easily, Paying no taxes or fees... | |
|  | | | Re: Yes, because degrading the user experience adds value Takes a minute or more to get to the movie now!
Funny thing is, copied disks start playing in a few seconds. | |
| | | | | Re: Yes, because degrading the user experience adds value Yup. Gotta appreciate the irony of anti-piracy propaganda and technical counter-measures hurting/annoying legitimate customers most and making pirated content that much more convenient and desirable.
Traditional distribution is shooting itself in their feet with that BS.
I rip my DVDs to remove junk too... when I want a movie, I want the movie and only the movie, not the 2-3 minutes of non-skippable warnings and ads before the menu. | |
| | | | innoman-Premium
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| Re: Yes, because degrading the user experience adds value I'm not big on pirating movies but I absolutely do rip them as soon as I get them (whether from RedBox or purchased). I hate all of the previews and warnings, they are absurd. I didn't pay for a movie just to watch 5 advertisements of other movies.
It's much easier to pop them in, run MakeMKV and watch them, converting later if I want something smaller and a different format.
The more difficult companies make it for me to see what I want to see, the less likely they are going to get more of my money. When Fox decided to make most wait 8 days to see a show online, the number of torrenters of those shows increased substantially. | |
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 Duramax08Win8 sucksPremium
join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX | I haven't bought a dvd/blu ray in ages Im not missing out. Feel free to watch a extra piracy warning for me. | |
| | | | Re: I haven't bought a dvd/blu ray in ages said by Duramax08:Feel free to watch a extra piracy warning for me.
I can't. I haven't seen one of them things since I've gone to the movies in...geez I don't remember when WAS the last time I've been to a theatre. I get my movies through other means necessary  .
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 n2jtx
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Glen Head, NY | Ripping Yet another reason to force people to learn about ripping so that they can edit out the obnoxious warnings, ads and trailers for other movies. Smart move Hollywood...
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| Re: Ripping Why would you force people who buy legal DVDs to learn about and use ripping? The internet is available to search the world wide web for information on how to deal with unwanted warnings, trailers, and ads on DVDs. I do not like the time wasters either, but I just time the popcorn maker to finish a little before the movie starts by making a good estimate of how much of that waste is on the DVD. I do not watch while the waste is on. Ripping takes time and effort I prefer to use otherwise. | |
| | | thor793
join:2005-09-10
Schaumburg, IL | Re: Ripping I think he's trying to say that Hollywood is forcing people to find ways to avoid the obnoxious warnings. No one is forcing anyone to do anything...more annoying them into finding an alternative way.
Rip once to have it in digital form...and from that point on you don't have to deal with it...saving time down the road. It also makes it more accessible to you if you have a networked home...watch it on any computer in your home (including computers hooked up to big ass TV's). That means you don't have to get up from your couch for every movie you want to watch just to switch the disc. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Ripping This is hilarious! And, you can't make this kind of stuff up! | |
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| TheMGPremium
join:2007-09-04
Canada
kudos:1 | The more time goes by, the more I'm tempted to rip my entire DVD/Blu-Ray collection to some hard drives so I don't have to put up with this crap anymore.
But that technically makes the movies even MORE expensive, since I'd have to buy hard drive capacity to store them.
It's a losing situation for the legit, paying consumers. | |
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| Re: Ripping I was thinking you might be wrong about the cost, but then I priced it out. 8 bay external server with 3TB in each bay is about $4800. 24TB is about 1500 HD movies. A nice sized collection that you could watch on any device, but it is a big amount of money. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Bears Repeating Here's the problem with these types of tactics. It doesn't change the fundamental problem that while wrong, piracy is providing a better and cheaper alternative to legitimate means of content distribution.
Piracy will never be eliminated, but continuing to put the screws on legitimate paying customers will simply serve to drive them towards pirating of content.
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| |  VanPremium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | Re: Bears Repeating said by pnh102:Here's the problem with these types of tactics. It doesn't change the fundamental problem that while wrong, piracy is providing a better and cheaper alternative to legitimate means of content distribution.
Piracy will never be eliminated, but continuing to put the screws on legitimate paying customers will simply serve to drive them towards pirating of content.
Picture is pretty much spot on. | |
| |  trparkyApple... YUMPremium,MVM
join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:2 | Thanks for the morning laugh. I needed it. "I already finished my popcorn bucket at this point." "My soda is flat" LOL
So very true, so very true indeed. | |
| | | cahiattPremium
join:2001-03-21
Smyrna, GA | Re: Bears Repeating I seriously have to agree....
I can pop in a disc I picked up a Redbox, rip it and start watching the ripped movie faster than I could if I went through all the garbage they want to watch before the movie. The warning aren't making me not rip a movie. The are encouraging me to do it so I can actually watch the movie without hassle.
Same for blueray. I can count many occasions that a movie wouldn't even play because I needed a software update. Way easier to rip it and not have to deal with it. | |
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| Re: Bears Repeating said by cahiatt:I seriously have to agree....
I can pop in a disc I picked up a Redbox, rip it and start watching the ripped movie faster than I could if I went through all the garbage they want to watch before the movie.
You dont even have to rip them anymore, you simply need to open them with a right click>explore and find the actual movie file, which will be the biggest thing in there, and play it with a player like MPC-HC, or Mplayer. Hell, you could even go simpler and install anyDVD, and a version of foxkiller that works, and you can simply skip all that bullshit without hassle, even on blu-rays. | |
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|  jlvCantankerous - Can't take errors
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| |  cline3621Mr. Yuk is MEAN Mr. Yuk is GREENPremium
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Clarksville, TN | I was going to post that but you beat me to it.
Well played good sir, well played. | |
| | | trparkyApple... YUMPremium,MVM
join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:2 | Re: Bears Repeating AnyDVD. What can I say? Seamless removal of DRM and annoying advertisements. You can play it in any DVD playing software like PowerDVD and you can skip all over that junk. | |
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| | Pretty blue burlap... I never noticed the "Pretty blue burlap" background on the FBI warnings before. Much nicer than the Interpol bland red with white letters.
Ya know, if the GUBBERMENTS were smart, they've ads running in those to pay for the time they waste being errand boys for poorly managed "greedia" moguls. Promote national tourism, see the Grand Canyon in 3D, visit the memorials, ...
And yet, we will still pay more for BluRay...
This is one thing positive about Netflix: streaming doesn't have this BS...
Disclaimer: I understand IP. I support artists and actors and producers. But at what price is this annoying "OBEY" really gaining? Make it affordable for the masses, accept the 5% loss (written off ofcourse) and watch piracy become history.
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|  KilroyPremium,MVM
join:2002-11-21
Ann Arbor, MI | How to win friends and influence people When are the content creators going to figure out that their efforts to protect their creations only annoy their paying customers?
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| |  runnoftPremium
join:2003-10-14
Deerfield, IL
kudos:1 | Re: How to win friends and influence people You got me. They just don't get it. They take "slow learning" to a new slow. | |
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 Lark3poPremium
join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL | Try this next time you want to skip to the movie Try this next time you want to skip to the movie:
1) Put the movie in and let it start.
2) Turn the power off.
3) Turn the power back on and hit "menu" a couple of times.
Pain in the ass? Yes... | |
| |  tmh
@comcastbusiness.net | Re: Try this next time you want to skip to the movie said by Lark3po:Try this next time you want to skip to the movie:
1) Put the movie in and let it start.
I think that's the part with the problem. | |
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| Crickets play violins. ^shrugs^, to hell with the MPAA & RIAA & yea even the F.B.I. idiot industry shills we don't need you.
Meanwhiles. . . we don't buy your cd's-dvd's-bluray's in this household anyways. 
Streaming rawks.
KTHXBAI
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|  thegeekPremium
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| It's the Previews The warnings aren't the worst part. They only last a minute or two at most. It's the non-skippable previews that makes me detest physical media and turns me to pirating. Well that and the quality and ease of use is much better with pirated versions. | |
| | | | Re: It's the Previews Ok, I'll bite. How is the visual and audio quality of a pirated movie better than a non pirated DVD or Bluray you buy from a media store? | |
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| | Things that make you go hmmmmm... Legitimate Copies: Forced advertising, piracy warnings, etc. Not being able to play on various other devices, must buy in multiple formats if you want multiple devices, or be forced to use the provided DRM'd copy, and pray that the device you wish to play it on supports that format.
Pirated copies: Freely use them on whichever device you want. Run a home server to stream them to your phone or other portable device with Plex. Not being forced to purchase multiple copies, no DRM, so rights don't expire. No irritating warnings/previews that you can't skip. Do whatever you want to do with it, because there's no restrictions on re-encoding it into an avi/mkv/mp4 to place on your iphone/android to watch on that long, drawn out airplane/train/car ride.
I think the preferred method is pretty obvious here. MPAA/RIAA need to adapt and potentially find a way to provide value to their customers, rather than just inconvenience them. I also don't see the benefit of saying "Piracy is a lost sale", no, it's really not a lost sale, if you're not providing what I want in a product, I won't buy it. You provide me with a properly released product, without restrictions that automatically assume that I'm going to copy it and hand it out to all my friends, and I'd probably purchase it, as I wouldn't feel like I was being treated like a criminal. But until then, claim what you will, it's not a lost sale if I wouldn't buy your product anyway because of silly artificial restrictions.
For android, there's rooting, for iPhone, there's jailbreaking, for Wii, there's soft-modding. All have legitimate reasons, not always to do with piracy, though companies would have you believe that it's for your own safety/benefit, but restricting what you can do with what you've purchased, is ridiculously stupid and short-sighted. | |
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| | Software There has to be a way these can be bypassed with a software update on your DVD player, at least if watching on the computer. I still curse that day in 1977 that led to us getting stupid red warning screens on all our movies. | |
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| Re: Software said by biochemistry:There has to be a way these can be bypassed with a software update on your DVD player, at least if watching on the computer. Yes. The programs AnyDVD and DVD Region+CSS Free both let you skip the warnings and previews on most DVD drives. Additionally, if you browse to the DVD with a program like Media Player Classic and open the VOB files directly, it will instantly play them, although the movie might be split into more than one part and you lose access to features like changing the audio track, etc.
I've also read that some stand-alone DVD players can be made to skip the crap in the beginning by pressing Stop twice, followed by Play, then Fast Forward. | |
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| Wonder how VLC will deal... I wonder how well VLC will deal with this.
It still skips straight to the title screen, I believe, so it should be able to handle "moar crap."
My only beef w/VLC is that last time I tried it (for DVD playback), I couldn't get de-interlacing to work 'automagically' and it seemed like I always had to make sure 'blend' was chosen. That, and its MPEG decoding doesn't seem as nice, compared to other players. | |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | Who cares. Does anyone watch these? Whenever I use a disc, I put it in the machine and if one of these things starts playing, I do something else. The longer the better because then I have more time to get a drink, take a bathroom break...whatever.
When I DVR a show/movie that has commercials, sometimes I don't skip the commercials. I use this time to leave the room for the same reasons as above. | |
| |  DataDocMy avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.Premium
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| Re: Who cares. Does anyone watch these? said by rradina:Whenever I use a disc, I put it in the machine and if one of these things starts playing, I do something else. The longer the better because then I have more time to get a drink, take a bathroom break...whatever.
When I DVR a show/movie that has commercials, sometimes I don't skip the commercials. I use this time to leave the room for the same reasons as above.
Just like in the 50s.
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| | Rekrul
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| said by rradina:Whenever I use a disc, I put it in the machine and if one of these things starts playing, I do something else. The longer the better because then I have more time to get a drink, take a bathroom break...whatever.
When I DVR a show/movie that has commercials, sometimes I don't skip the commercials. I use this time to leave the room for the same reasons as above. No pause button? | |
| | TwiztedZeroNine Zero Burp Nine SixPremium
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| said by rradina:Whenever I use a disc, I put it in the machine and if one of these things starts playing, I do something else. The longer the better because then I have more time to get a drink, take a bathroom break...whatever.
When I DVR a show/movie that has commercials, sometimes I don't skip the commercials. I use this time to leave the room for the same reasons as above.
Except this man says, "Walking away from your TV while commercials are aired is a form of theft." - Jamie Kellner (the former chair of Turner Broadcast Systems).
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| | | | You must walk out of the room alot. As an example, I watched Eureka the other day on the DVR and I swear I watched 5 mins of show followed by 10 mins of commercials (which I was able to skip through). But seriously, this has made me almost stop watching SciFi altogether, another misguided NBC channel. | |
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| DVD/BR software What amazes me is that the players (software and hardware devices) even respect an "unskippable" flag. Who thought that was a good idea to include in a product? Can you imagine the uproar if the same thing existed on an audio CD, or even an old VHS tape?
Put whatever you want on the disc but I should be able to skip or fast forward at any time. The fact that some DVDs use this to force you to watch the previews every time is proof that it is being abused already.
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| | Control It is all about control. Fortunately they don't have any control over me. Download...play video from PC to TV...no BS. | |
| | | im going ot go out and..... im going ot go out and buy 500000000000 blank dvdrs and do everything now cause i can....
and after that .....i'll do it again | |
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| Re: im going ot go out and..... said by funny:im going ot go out and buy 500000000000 blank dvdrs and do everything now cause i can....
and after that .....i'll do it again
Its not even worth buying blank physical media anymore, since everything is so readily available on the net, and will always be so, you can download, watch it, and delete it, and if want to watch it again, just find it again(google anyone?). Seriously, the only reason I keep some content longer than other is to see back to the community and keep a positive ratio in a few private trackers. Other than that, its not worth keeping long term anymore. | |
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| Re: im going ot go out and..... said by Chubbysumo:said by funny:im going ot go out and buy 500000000000 blank dvdrs and do everything now cause i can....
and after that .....i'll do it again
Its not even worth buying blank physical media anymore, since everything is so readily available on the net, and will always be so, you can download, watch it, and delete it, and if want to watch it again, just find it again(google anyone?). Seriously, the only reason I keep some content longer than other is to see back to the community and keep a positive ratio in a few private trackers. Other than that, its not worth keeping long term anymore. That depends. Bandwidth caps and overage charges are becoming more prevalent. It creates reasons to store things rather then delete them.
Also the more times you do something the more likely you are to get caught. If you're always downloading to watching something on the fly.... | |
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| Re: im going ot go out and..... said by zod5000:Also the more times you do something the more likely you are to get caught. If you're always downloading to watching something on the fly....
no, only being stupid about how you go about acquiring content gets you caught.
First things first: Get into private trackers. TPB is nice, but its a known target for peer pool monitors that the AAs hire to look for infringing content, and then gather IPs from those. Those 4 companies are very well known, and since they have their own IP ranges, and they legally cannot use other IPs in court proceedings, its very easy to ID and block connections(as in not even send acks and file info, and outright block of all data to those certain IPs) because they are all registered.
I have been finding stuff on the web for years, and only got 1 notice, and have never heard another peep from them. If they are going to take you to court, they will not warn you. A letter is also not proof of a ToS or AUP violation(a judgement in court against you is), so, you cannot be disconnected based on those letters. The letters are just scare tactics, thats all. | |
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said by Chubbysumo:No, only being stupid about how you go about acquiring content gets you caught. Agreed absolutely. If you are stupid enough to use public torrent trackers to grab newly released Hollywood big hit movies or albums that just came out, you are asking to get caught. I would say newsgroups for popular mainstream stuff (this is what the industry is making big bucks on and is available through legitimate channels, so they want to catch as many offenders as possible), BT for rare, OOP or foreign stuff (the industry doesn't care for these, if they did, they would release them legally).
said by Chubbysumo:First things first: Get into private trackers. TPB is nice, but it's a known target for peer pool monitors that the AA's hire to look for infringing content, and then gather IP's from those. Those 4 companies are very well known, and since they have their own IP ranges, and they legally cannot use other IP's in court proceedings, its very easy to ID and block connections (as in not even send ack's and file info, and outright block of all data to those certain IP's) because they are all registered. I thought that these companies got smarter than to use fixed ranges of IP's. As you have said, anyone savvy enough who knows where they are coming from can easily block them. I thought that at one point they got peskier than that and pretty much started having their people work from home on residential DSL/Cable/FiOS connections or VPN'ing into other spots. That way, they are far more difficult to track as they are coming from random IP's.
said by Chubbysumo:I have been finding stuff on the web for years, and only got 1 notice, and have never heard another peep from them. If they are going to take you to court, they will not warn you. A letter is also not proof of a ToS or AUP violation (a judgment in court against you is), so, you cannot be disconnected based on those letters. The letters are just scare tactics, that's all. The letter that you got was probably from your own ISP. I think that whenever a copyright holder makes a DMCA inquiry to reveal the name behind an IP, an ISP has a legal obligation to notify the holder of that IP that their information has been released and whom it was released to. Whether they actually sue you is up to the copyright holder. In most of the cases, if they do decide to go after you, they will send you a threatening letter offering you a settlement. They actually hope that you go the settlement route as if that ends up in court and you win, it could set a precedent against them.
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| Re: im going ot go out and..... said by Pirate515:I thought that these companies got smarter than to use fixed ranges of IP's. As you have said, anyone savvy enough who knows where they are coming from can easily block them. I thought that at one point they got peskier than that and pretty much started having their people work from home on residential DSL/Cable/FiOS connections or VPN'ing into other spots. That way, they are far more difficult to track as they are coming from random IP's. The employees can work from home, but the "evidence" they gather from home has never stood up in court(civil courts), or criminal courts, which is why they basically work from the office only now. How are they to prove that they were not the ones uploading it if they connect from a random IP? they have a lot of accountability to keep up with, so they dont connect from random IPs, simply because, I could imply that since its not their IP(the company's), they have no verifiable proof, as someone could have made that on their home computer, which would indicate they are also in the wrong. Accountability is at the core of why they stick to inthe office.
said by Pirate515:The letter that you got was probably from your own ISP. it was a forwarded DMCA C&D notice, not a notice of subpoena. The funny part, is that after I responded with a lawyers help(proving that I did not, nor would I have downloaded the file), and threatening both my ISP and them with a harassment lawsuit(I basically said either take it to court or drop it, but dont harass me and waste my time, and I also indicated that my time is valuable and I will be charging $193 per hour for each hour of my time they wasted, on top of my lawyers fees). I have not hear back, except an apology from my ISP(but nothing from the media company).
They will not take you to court unless they know they can win, and a connection to a bit torrent swarm is not enough to get anything anymore, since it was proven that a printer could be sent a DMCA notice, they would need to connect and download some of the files that I have, which they cannot do, since all connections to their known IPs are set to "ignore"(meaning there is no response, so, im in the pool, but they cannot get anything from me). | |
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| can't wait Man! I can't wait till they get soo paranoid that when I buy a movie I get arrested right outside walmart!! Woot!
Seriously, punish the ones being legit? This makes me want to bootleg for crying out loud.. Well topped off with the other crap they have been experimenting with and laws they are trying to apply... | |
| | | | Re: can't wait I can't wait to be arrested outside of Walmart for using their DVD digitizing service for $2 per DVD! Isn't that the same thing as if I did it myself at home? | |
| | |  aaronwtPremium
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Woodbridge, VA
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| Re: can't wait said by scott2020:I can't wait to be arrested outside of Walmart for using their DVD digitizing service for $2 per DVD! Isn't that the same thing as if I did it myself at home?
No it's not. Not even close. They aren't doing anything with your DVDs and BDs other than putting a stamp on the inner ring. The digital versions you get are already available on VUDU. They are not copying any discs. | |
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join:2008-02-01
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| VLC Media Player I know the VLC Media Player has the ability to actually bypass the DVD "Pre-Menu" entirely. It's in the Play Disk option when you tell it to load the disk. Select DVD (Menu) and it jumps you straight to the movie. From that point, tell it to skip 1-2 chapters and you're at the movie right away since VLC just doesn't care for whatever flag sets a chapter to not be skippable. It just does it.
Agreed with the picture posted far above though! | |
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| I buy all My DVDs I buy all My DVDs from Amazon or sometimes from ebay as I don't have cable or satellite here, so if It gets a bit longer I'll just ignore it more. As I can always go into the Kitchen for something while the delayed movie goes through the extended warnings... | |
| GardenerPremium
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| A proposed solution It's annoying when pirated discs are "clean" while legitimately obtained discs are fouled with anti-piracy crap and advertising.
It should be the other way around. Obviously, we need laws to ensure that commercial discs are free of annoyances, while all pirated stuff must be prefixed with nasty warnings and ads.
I foresee some difficulty implementing this. | |
| | | | Re: A proposed solution People still buy DVDs? | |
| | | elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | Re: A proposed solution Of course.
Factory DVDs actually play without glitches 99% of the time.
While streaming or downloads theoretically can, "could", and "should" be equal to or better than Blu-Ray, in most circumstances, they aren't.
The purchase price of a disc is far less than going to see it in the local thug-o-plex, and you can make your own refreshments. | |
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