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Ping pong
by justin Wednesday 31-May-2000
Latency Part II, continued from Part I.
According to this thread, gamers on the curent Covad RADSL 608/128 lines, with SpeedStream 5260 ADSL modems, are reporting significantly worse in ping time, than older Covad lines, and current NorthPoint SDSL products.
Covad RADSL is "rate-adaptive DMT ADSL", and the latency for this standard is typically 20ms, due to error-correcting interleaving, compared to 4ms for SDSL.
Are we stuck with this forever? How about this quote from a Cisco document on ADSL:
Therefore, ADSL provides for two logical data channels, a fast channel and a slow channel
Video traffic is directed through forward error correction and interleaving; hence, it is on a slow channel. Data traffic bypasses these functions; hence, it is on a fast channel. Bits from the two channels are multiplexed to form a composite stream that is then sent to line coding, or modulation.
How the ATU-C
[DSL modem] knows to funnel data to the fast or slow channel is negotiated at startup, but the mechanisms are an unanswered question at this time." (reference).
It seems that at the moment, the RADSL equipment Covad is using is not setup by their DSLAMs (or maybe not even capable), of using the lower latency fast-path for data?

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Karl Bode
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Re: Ping pong

Yes sir. This is something I was complaining about a month ago when I got my Covad 608 RADSL service. Everyone called me MAD! MAD! Ye said something must be wrong with my PC! Heathen.

With this Covad RADSL setup, I have yet to see a ping under 65 under PRISTINE conditions.

I be thinkin they might wanna be changing their ways.
Anon

Re: Ping pong

123 packets transmitted, 123 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 51.103/58.268/67.066/4.894 ms

on my covad adsl 1.5/384 line

Karl Bode
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Re: Ping pong

Supposedly other providers RADSL doesn't suffer the same hit and can obtain pings of 20-30ms. What is Covad doing that is making this RADSL, for lack of a better term, suck?

Jerm

join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
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Re: Ping pong

Complaining about 20ms? Hello, THATS LOW!

I'm stuck with crappy GTE interleave values that cause me 25ms minimum latency!

I had ADSL, and it was more, RADSL lowered it!

Its the stupid Orckit modems :P

BTW I see the lowest in game pings of around 50ms, but most servers are min 80ms

Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
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Re: Ping pong

No no, you misread. Some people can get 20-30ms with RADSL. Covad RADSL lines see a minimum of 65ms. I usually get 75ms standard.
efernandez

join:2000-04-27
Union City, NJ
finally!! i hope this issue gets addressed now that it is in the limelight.

i'm getting ping times over 70ms with the 608 RADSL service.

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