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Piracy Increases In France Despite 'Three Strikes' Law
Users shift to other sources, while ISPs, entertainment industry lose customers
by Karl Bode 06:16PM Thursday Mar 11 2010
France of course was one of the first countries to impose laws that require ISPs terminate the service of users who repeatedly engage in copyright infringement. Surprising, well, nobody, Torrent Freak points out since France's new antipiracy law was passed last September, piracy has continued to rise. A new study published by the University of Rennes indicates that piracy has risen in France 3%, with users having to only slightly vary their online habits:
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This increase in piracy shows that the French are not changing their downloading habits much, despite the tougher legislation. There is, however, an interesting shift in the sources people use to download copyrighted movies and music. At an increasing rate the French are using streaming services along with file-hosting ‘cyberlockers’ such as Rapidshare and Megaupload.
The law of course doesn't cover direct download sites, and so the use of BitTorrent dropped 7.1% to 14.6% as users migrated to direct downloads and Usenet. Again, French critics continue to charge that instead of playing this game of perpetual whack a mole, the industry should be focusing on offering cheap, compelling, DRM-free alternatives.

In line with other studies, the French study also found that half of all P2P users who download copyrighted content also buy digital content online -- meaning that by kicking them off of the Internet -- both ISPs and the entertainment industry are losing customers.

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FFH5
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Too early to tell yet

»www.connexionfrance.com/hadopi-2 ··· cle.html
The study of 2,000 internet users in Brittany found 5% had completely stopped illegal downloading since Hadopi 2 became law.

Although the Hadopi law was passed last autumn, the body is not yet fully up and running and the first warning letters to persistent illegal downloaders have yet to be sent out.
I'd wait about 6 more months before declaring the 3 strikes law a failure. It is still too soon to call since the penalties haven't kicked in yet and haven't been publicized.

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Re: Too early to tell yet

It is a failure regardless how much time goes by. All it does is encourage people to buy encrypted VPN access that's easily available for a very reasonable monthly price. Pretty soon, piracy will be declared non existent in France since all french pirates will have Swiss IP's.

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Re: Too early to tell yet

said by sitrix:

..... piracy will be declared non existent in France since all french pirates will have Swiss IP's.
Ha! I wish!
You still hang on that myth that little Swiss is neutral?These are not the the 1940s anymore.

Swiss company Rapidshare released personal data behind IPs on uploaders residing in Germany.

German law enforcement asked Swiss Rapidshare due to the fact that they had a office in DE and Rapidshare obliged.
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said by FFH5:

»www.connexionfrance.com/hadopi-2 ··· cle.html
The study of 2,000 internet users in Brittany found 5% had completely stopped illegal downloading since Hadopi 2 became law.

Although the Hadopi law was passed last autumn, the body is not yet fully up and running and the first warning letters to persistent illegal downloaders have yet to be sent out.
I'd wait about 6 more months before declaring the 3 strikes law a failure. It is still too soon to call since the penalties haven't kicked in yet and haven't been publicized.
it is only useful if few people do it but if there are too many it is a useless enforcement

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I would also call a 3% rise insignificant and possibly not even outside of the margin of error. 3% could even be attributable to natural ebb and flow of traffic.

I can't read french so I can't go read the pdf to see how they got their data, but how likely is it that pirates would self report in a country with a three strikes law? Not very, I think.
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what

aftyer 3-4 months you cant tell, and need another 6 months?
BOY oh BOY
like dont you get it
NONE are going to follow any of these laws so fine me jail me toss the internet into a sea of no one. WE WILL NOT GIVE UP, not give in , not now or ever more.

read this and understand:
Another one got caught today, it's all over the papers. "Teenager Arrested in Computer Crime Scandal", "Hacker Arrested after Bank Tampering"... Damn kids. They're all alike. But did you, in your three- piece psychology and 1950's technobrain, ever take a look behind the eyes of the hacker? Did you ever wonder what made him tick, what forces shaped him, what may have molded him? I am a hacker, enter my world... Mine is a world that begins with school... I'm smarter than most of the other kids, this crap they teach us bores me... Damn underachiever. They're all alike. I'm in junior high or high school. I've listened to teachers explain for the fifteenth time how to reduce a fraction. I understand it. "No, Ms. Smith, I didn't show my work. I did it in my head..." Damn kid. Probably copied it. They're all alike. I made a discovery today. I found a computer. Wait a second, this is cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it's because I screwed it up. Not because it doesn't like me... Or feels threatened by me.. Or thinks I'm a smart ass.. Or doesn't like teaching and shouldn't be here... Damn kid. All he does is play games. They're all alike. And then it happened... a door opened to a world... rushing through the phone line like heroin through an addict's veins, an electronic pulse is sent out, a refuge from the day-to-day incompetencies is sought... a board is found. "This is it... this is where I belong..." I know everyone here... even if I've never met them, never talked to them, may never hear from them again... I know you all... Damn kid. Tying up the phone line again. They're all alike... You bet your ass we're all alike... we've been spoon-fed baby food at school when we hungered for steak... the bits of meat that you did let slip through were pre-chewed and tasteless.

We've been dominated by sadists, or ignored by the apathetic. The few that had something to teach found us willing pupils, but those few are like drops of water in the desert. This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals.

Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual,but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike.

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Re: what

thanks I haven't read that in quite awhile.

Bill Neilson
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And I am glad that we are seeing this because

it is a blueprint for other users to do if their country gets such a ridiculous law.

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What you get with piracy

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I found this funny picture and figured I'd post it here. This is what you get with piracy.

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Re: What you get with piracy

lol epic image

OldschoolDSL
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Its funny cause its true. I do not support piracy, but have watched a few "boot leg" movies at a friends house....
cornelius785

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that picture if EPIC. we're all told that pirate get just the movie (sometime a complete rip if they want) and the legit payers get the ads, warning, ads, promos, extras, hidden 'goodies', and then the movie as a side dish.

that picture isn't entirely true though. if it is a DVD, just rip it with most any computer, same thing with HD-DVD and blu-ray discs (but probably a huge pain to do, may involve a significant amount of money to do, which results in true mobility of the movie). you get the same result, but you actually paid for the movie. you'll probably still be labeled a pirate for doing this by the media mafia + henchmen though.

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Re: What you get with piracy

yeah because then you violated the almighty D.M.C.A.!

Ask DVD Jon where that got him.

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DVD Shrink. Still works in Windows 7, removes all the crud you don't need, including unneeded languages, subtitles, opening menu's, extra's, and all the trailers... and withing half an hour or less you have a DVD you can actually "forget" at your friends house and not worry about it, looks almost identical to the original, and does exactly what the pirate section of that picture does: insert movie, press play, watch movie.
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The Internet is going to end up completely encrypted.

The more laws they pass, the more people are going to encrypt their traffic. I think all this money they waste on trying to enforce it, is a waste of taxpayer dollars. It's like developing DRM, you spend millions developing it, and someone thwarts it in days.

That and I think they inflate dollars lost. They still base losses on the assumption everything downloaded is a lost sale. When the truth is people have budgets and financial constraints. If they had to pay for the product, there would be a finite amount they could buy, or they might value an alternative product as a better value for their finite budget. Not every download is a lost sale, because free gets you a lot more stuff, then paying. So I think the whole industry way over inflates how much they lose, because people don't physically have enough money to buy everything they pirate (nor would be willing if they did).

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Re: The Internet is going to end up completely encrypted.

said by zod5000:

The more laws they pass, the more people are going to encrypt their traffic. I think all this money they waste on trying to enforce it, is a waste of taxpayer dollars. It's like developing DRM, you spend millions developing it, and someone thwarts it in days.

That and I think they inflate dollars lost. They still base losses on the assumption everything downloaded is a lost sale. When the truth is people have budgets and financial constraints. If they had to pay for the product, there would be a finite amount they could buy, or they might value an alternative product as a better value for their finite budget. Not every download is a lost sale, because free gets you a lot more stuff, then paying. So I think the whole industry way over inflates how much they lose, because people don't physically have enough money to buy everything they pirate (nor would be willing if they did).
The average person has no idea about encryption. They are just going after the average kid that woke up one day and decided they will get something. They cannot touch the rest of the "market".

Of course it is not revenue lost. The way they calculate it is they count the volume of works transferred and put a price tag on each. So.. say x shared 40000 copies of something to XYZ. well, 40000x40$ = a big number. It doesn't take into account that in real life, only 4 out of those 40000 transfers would be actual purchases.

In reality their loss is 4x40$, not 40000. But the bigger number looks better.
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Re: The Internet is going to end up completely encrypted.

said by Augustus III:

said by zod5000:

The more laws they pass, the more people are going to encrypt their traffic. I think all this money they waste on trying to enforce it, is a waste of taxpayer dollars. It's like developing DRM, you spend millions developing it, and someone thwarts it in days.

That and I think they inflate dollars lost. They still base losses on the assumption everything downloaded is a lost sale. When the truth is people have budgets and financial constraints. If they had to pay for the product, there would be a finite amount they could buy, or they might value an alternative product as a better value for their finite budget. Not every download is a lost sale, because free gets you a lot more stuff, then paying. So I think the whole industry way over inflates how much they lose, because people don't physically have enough money to buy everything they pirate (nor would be willing if they did).
The average person has no idea about encryption. They are just going after the average kid that woke up one day and decided they will get something. They cannot touch the rest of the "market".

Of course it is not revenue lost. The way they calculate it is they count the volume of works transferred and put a price tag on each. So.. say x shared 40000 copies of something to XYZ. well, 40000x40$ = a big number. It doesn't take into account that in real life, only 4 out of those 40000 transfers would be actual purchases.

In reality their loss is 4x40$, not 40000. But the bigger number looks better.
Yah but if they really try to crackdown, the software will slowly add encryption by default.. people won't have to know about it, i'll become integrated.

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Re: The Internet is going to end up completely encrypted.

said by zod5000:

said by Augustus III:

said by zod5000:

The more laws they pass, the more people are going to encrypt their traffic. I think all this money they waste on trying to enforce it, is a waste of taxpayer dollars. It's like developing DRM, you spend millions developing it, and someone thwarts it in days.

That and I think they inflate dollars lost. They still base losses on the assumption everything downloaded is a lost sale. When the truth is people have budgets and financial constraints. If they had to pay for the product, there would be a finite amount they could buy, or they might value an alternative product as a better value for their finite budget. Not every download is a lost sale, because free gets you a lot more stuff, then paying. So I think the whole industry way over inflates how much they lose, because people don't physically have enough money to buy everything they pirate (nor would be willing if they did).
The average person has no idea about encryption. They are just going after the average kid that woke up one day and decided they will get something. They cannot touch the rest of the "market".

Of course it is not revenue lost. The way they calculate it is they count the volume of works transferred and put a price tag on each. So.. say x shared 40000 copies of something to XYZ. well, 40000x40$ = a big number. It doesn't take into account that in real life, only 4 out of those 40000 transfers would be actual purchases.

In reality their loss is 4x40$, not 40000. But the bigger number looks better.
Yah but if they really try to crackdown, the software will slowly add encryption by default.. people won't have to know about it, i'll become integrated.
There are issues with doing that. You can't just broadcast encrypted at random and actually make it readable. You need to establish and encrypted link via normal packets. So.. they got you at this point. If it really goes that far...

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Re: The Internet is going to end up completely encrypted.

said by Augustus III:

There are issues with doing that. You can't just broadcast encrypted at random and actually make it readable. You need to establish and encrypted link via normal packets. So.. they got you at this point. If it really goes that far...
Not as many as you think.

The trend for most P2P software (limewire and freenet being two examples I know of) are going darknet; in essence you have no idea who you're downloading from.

So traditional means of acquiring evidence against file sharers are being eliminated.

If the above becomes common enough, everyone will know about encryption eventually.
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I am so surprised!

I never saw this coming!
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after 7-8 months in south korea with 3 strikes law

»hurips.blogspot.com/2010/03/thre ··· ven.html

go read it and see what happens....

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piracy will continue to flourish

you can't beat free
given the choice between paying and getting it for free is self explanatory
their fighting an uphill battle that get harder for them
the public doesn't care whether it legal or not
all they want is their movie or software or games that they can get for nothing
who the heck want to pay for anything? paying mean you have to earn it the hard way by sweating at the workshop for the greedy owner.
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Re: piracy will continue to flourish

said by jadebangle:

you can't beat free
given the choice between paying and getting it for free is self explanatory
their fighting an uphill battle that get harder for them
the public doesn't care whether it legal or not
all they want is their movie or software or games that they can get for nothing
who the heck want to pay for anything? paying mean you have to earn it the hard way by sweating at the workshop for the greedy owner.
but i pay taxes, i pay for food , pay for cloths ( mostly )
i pay for my hardware and there's a MS tax on that
i pay for my internet

so what exactly is free in a throttled , capped , and user base billed universe?
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said by jadebangle:

you can't beat free
given the choice between paying and getting it for free is self explanatory
their fighting an uphill battle that get harder for them
the public doesn't care whether it legal or not
all they want is their movie or software or games that they can get for nothing
who the heck want to pay for anything? paying mean you have to earn it the hard way by sweating at the workshop for the greedy owner.
and if you saw the headline
HERE'S A WAY TO GET FREE CASH FORM THE ATM THEY CANT FIX
and with a legal loophole it isn't quite illegal to get (download) the money
DO you think advertising it too people that dont know will be a good thing?

they went soooooo ape shit with there media that millions of uneducated morons got to learn howto and use
they sued what 50K people the most easy of targets.
they went after public torrent sites
notice that the only private ones they go after are ones that make are making huge profits?
the rest of them aren't and are being left alone why?
TWO reasons
legal reasons of privacy
and the users of these sites have a brain.

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Typo?

Just wanted to bring this potential typo to Karl's attention:

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The law of course doesn't cover direct download sites, and so the use of BitTorrent dropped 7.1% to 14.6% as users migrated to direct downloads and Usenet.

Typo being, of course, bolded.
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Re: Piracy increases ...

if Piracy does not exist, then nor does the internet.. o but wait.. the Internet does Exist!! so you know what that means

if the Internet were a person, he/she would say "I pirate, therefore i exist"