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This party-line tax stuff is interesting.

My home state, republican dominated Michigan (congress at least has been dominated for years, until the last election), has been howling about how much "revenue" they are "losing".

The internet sales tax wouldn't irk me so much if I could actually find the same products locally that I can get on sites like Newegg, at reasonable prices; that is to say, I simply can't get many great products locally. Why should I pay taxes locally when the people who provided the product are thousands of miles away?

But internet access taxes are absolutely ridiculous, no matter which side of the aisle you're on. Phone bills are have plenty of pork in them, leave my broadband bill alone!
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ColorBASIC 8-bit Fun Premium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA 1 edit	Re: Tax Ban Will Expire Michigan is a complete joke. I have a small machine shop and I got a letter from their tax board saying because I (based solely in California) sold tools to a biz in Michigan that I owe Michigan income tax. I read the letter and laughed out loud. Their legislature is proof crack doesn't smoke itself. -- Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire
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Michigan is a complete joke. I have a small machine shop and I got a letter from their tax board saying because I (based solely in California) sold tools to a biz in Michigan that I owe Michigan income tax. I read the letter and laughed out loud.

Their legislature is proof crack doesn't smoke itself.

LOL that's classic.

Not that it hasn't been tried before with other states as well. They're all trying to grab as much money as they can. Sorry guys but if I am not living in your state I am not paying your income tax. Otherwise everyone who works for a company based in one state but located in another would be paying double+ taxes and that just doesn't happen.

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claco join:2002-09-29 Tallmadge, OH 1 edit	Re: Tax Ban Will Expire said by GlobalMind : said by ColorBASIC : Otherwise everyone who works for a company based in one state but located in another would be paying double+ taxes and that just doesn't happen. K. It sure does. Ask people who telecommute to NY from out of state. »www.networkworld.com/net.worker/···sel.html -- Six of one, 1,426/2,852 dozen of the other.
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I should have been more clear. That isn't what I was talking about exactly.

My point was that say my company's home office is in NY but we have branches all over the country, brick & mortar facilities. Folks in those other locations owe nothing to NY state in tax.

The telecommuter deal is complete crap but I have seen this article before.

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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	said by pb5k : My home state, republican dominated Michigan (congress at least has been dominated for years, until the last election), has been howling about how much "revenue" they are "losing". Republicans at the state level are much more prone to raising taxes then at the federal level. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk.
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Republicans at the state level are much more prone to raising taxes then at the federal level.

on topic: there will be no internet tax, at least for a few more years.

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republicans at the federal level (Bushie, last congress) WANTED tax cuts like the next coming of the messiah. no, not the internet tax cut but the estate tax, dividends, etc. mostly benefitting the rich. and they got 'em. problem is that we couldn't afford them then and we really can't afford them now. federal spending is out of control.

for the political party preaching responsibility, how can republicans justify in their heads spending what they want versus what we can afford?

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mostly benefitting the rich

According to the IRS, only the rich pay taxes, so naturally they will benefit from any tax cut.

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and they got 'em. problem is that we couldn't afford them then and we really can't afford them now. federal spending is out of control.

I would be the first to cheer if the Democrat party proposed a budget that slashes domestic spending by whatever amount of money the deficit is for a given year. Instead, they propose even more spending on top of the extra spending the Republican party enacted.
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morbo Complete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: 1 edit	Re: Tax Ban Will Expire two wrongs don't make a right. the last 6 years have been non-stop spending by republicans. record deficit. record spending. yet, it's supposedly the party of fiscal discipline.
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two wrongs don't make a right. the last 6 years have been non-stop spending by republicans. record deficit. record spending. yet, it's supposedly the party of fiscal discipline.

And smaller government.

I totally agree with you on that... I just wish the Democrats would offer an alternative budget that controls spending in some manner. Clinton did a good job at getting a balanced budget, there is no reason the Democrat party in Congress cannot do what he did.
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yes, and smaller government.

i don't classify myself as a republican or democrat as i don't fit neatly into either category. i've voted for both. but one of the things i like, in theory, about the republican party, is fiscal responsibility and smaller government. i haven't seen that in action in years.

i think we will soon see an alternative budget that will put us on the right track. it's frustrating that i can balance my own budget and plan for future expenses but the government can't do the same.

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i've voted for both. but one of the things i like, in theory, about the republican party, is fiscal responsibility and smaller government. i haven't seen that in action in years.

It's because it's been quite a while since any of us have seen a REAL Republican. In this era of unprecedented political whoresmanship they call REAL Republicans, Libertarians.
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Anyone that thinks Clinton balanced the budget has a misunderstanding of what actually was happening. Under Reagan and Bush 41 we had a change in the tax structure. Then in 1993 Clinton (with Al Gore adding a vote to make it 51/50 in the Senate) raised taxes on our Parents and Grandparents by taxing their social security if a couple made over $32,000 a year. With the revenues from the tax cuts under Reagan and Bush and "Slick Willies" tax scheme, Clinton was able to make it appear as if the budget was balanced when it wasn't. Every penney we pay in Social Security on our incomes goes right back out the door to pay our parents and grandparents. Washington, DC is nothing but a money laundering scheme. Both sides of the aisle are crooks. I say in 2008 we throw out ALL of the incumbents whther they have been there 2 years or 20 years to send them a message.

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two wrongs don't make a right. the last 6 years have been non-stop spending by republicans. record deficit. record spending. yet, it's supposedly the party of fiscal discipline.

The budget deficit has been shrinking the last 2 years due to the improved economy that came from lower taxes. And all this in spite of the Iraq war costs.

Note: this doesn't mean the National Debt has shrunk. Just that the size of the yearly deficit is smaller now than it was 2 yrs ago. Which means the growth rate in the total National Debt has slowed.
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morbo Complete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs:	Re: Tax Ban Will Expire ahem. record deficit. record spending. record debt. you can't dispute that, even trying to attribute a shrinking deficit to lower taxes.
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ahem. record deficit. record spending. record debt. you can't dispute that, even trying to attribute a shrinking deficit to lower taxes.

But lower taxes do increase government revenue. That is an indisputable and irrefutable fact. Revenue increased sharply when JFK, Reagan and Bush lowered tax rates.

The only problem was that Congress (controlled by either party) simply spent more money than the increased amount that was taken in.
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ahem. record deficit. record spending. record debt. you can't dispute that, even trying to attribute a shrinking deficit to lower taxes.

Any Republican who doesn't acknowledge this is a ideological robot. I'm a life long Republican who is beyond pissed off at what these pseudo-Republicans have done. They've grown gov't and stripped personal liberty at an unprecedented rate.

Republicans had a chance to really reform the central gov't and start returning it to what the Founders had intended...small, weak, unobtrusive. All we got was a bunch of war mongering spend happy whores sticking their F-ing noses into everything from trying to put family law in the Constitution and Terry Schiavo to f-ing up middle east stability.

Rep. Ron Paul is one of the few TRUE Republicans left in Congress.

Strict Constructionist, no foreign entanglements, weak central gov't. You wouldn't need income taxes if the central gov't kept its G-D nose out of everyone's business, here and abroad.
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Bicker bicker bicker.

Politicians from BOTH parties have become addicted to earmarks and pork barrel spending. There are 100's of examples, but why list them? They've all become cliche.

Regardless of what party holds power at this point in our nation's history, spending is out of control.

The right idea is to stop blaming the "other" party. I'm a life long Republican, but a lot of things the Reps have done in the past few years is disgusting.

The Medicare prescription drug benefit was clearly pandering on Bush's part to get re elected. It really pissed me off.

At this point, the congress and the president are out of control, regardless of their party affiliation.

We should be coming together as Americans to get rid of these assholes, not arguing about what party represents what ideals...
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ColorBASIC 8-bit Fun Premium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA	Re: Tax Ban Will Expire That was my point; they're ALL whores who have no ideals.
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The budget deficit has been shrinking the last 2 years

While that is technically correct, the deficit isn't quite as large as it has been last few years, it's not telling the whole story. Borrowing continues at a record pace, it's just that as a percentage you can compare it to the previous couple of years and say it's lower, (because the two years previous were so outrageous!) but in terms of overall dollars it's higher. Then there's the "Budget trick" of declaring certain major expenses as "Emergency Items" and therefore not counted those costs IN the budget. Ie, the War, FEMA, etc

What's also very troubling is under the current Fiscal policy the US Dollar is weakening very fast in value. How is that important? Well in the next couple of years this will come back to haunt us because it will effectively double or nearly so the amount of money we have to spend on interest payments servicing the national debt. The budget deficit is going to take a huge hit from this massive jump in debt maintenece spending--- even if the economy speeds up..... and since we import much of our consumer and durable goods, this drop in the US dollar in turn will fuel inflation in a big way, adding to the effects of record energy prices... as inflation grows, then interest rates will also go up as the Fed tries to handle the inflation. The inflation and interest rates will all put brakes on the economy right as the high debt payments are hitting as well. I think it's going to get ugly. Bush will be gone but his legacy won't be.

... And that's not even counting the practice of using Social Security receipts to make it look like the deficit is smaller then it is.

Basically, it's a joke. On all of us. A bad one.
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What's also very troubling is under the current Fiscal policy the US Dollar is weakening very fast in value. How is that important? Well in the next couple of years this will come back to haunt us because it will effectively double or nearly so the amount of money we have to spend on interest payments servicing the national debt.

Actually, no. Your statement is true if we continue borrowing at a record pace. But weakening a currency is a standard practice for a government that wants to reduce the value of its debt. Of course, it comes at the expense of inflation (refer to Germany between WW1 and WW2).

Basically, if you borrow $100, and you can print the money you use to pay that $100 back, you can print $1000 and pay back the $100. Of course, the remaining $900 won't be worth as much.
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Basically, if you borrow $100, and you can print the money you use to pay that $100 back, you can print $1000 and pay back the $100. Of course, the remaining $900 won't be worth as much.

!! It doesn't work that way PNH.... The payments are indexed to the exchange rates. They are based on the sale of US bonds. If the value of the US Dollar drops, the $$$ amount of the debt increases by the corresponding amount.

If the US Dollar drops 30% in value, that means that in dollars our debt owed (and the payments!) just went up 30%. We cannot shrink our debt load by simply weakening our dollar.

You cannot pay anything off by printing money either. That just makes the money worth less, so that the people you owe demand that much more.
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If the US Dollar drops 30% in value, that means that in dollars our debt owed (and the payments!) just went up 30%. We cannot shrink our debt load by simply weakening our dollar.

Why haven't our mortgage payments gone up in response to the falling dollar?

I know that debt between states works differently than personal debt, but if the US government were to simply print 8.5 trillion $1 bills and use those to pay off the debt, by the book, it would be paid off, but in the process, our economy will be wrecked as a result of the inflation that comes along with it.

Of course, a country that just prints money isn't going to have the fiscal discipline needed to stay debt free (see Zimbabwe and Venezuela for an example), so your original post still applies, along with the wrecked economy.
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Why haven't our mortgage payments gone up in response to the falling dollar?

Mortages are not indexed to the exchange rate. They are in dollars. The value of the US dollar only effects trade and debt when it's foreign owned. What will happen though is it will fuel inflation and interest rates will increase. However if you have a fixed interest rate loan your mortgage is locked in. This is basic economics.

but if the US government were to simply print 8.5 trillion $1 bills and use those to pay off the debt, by the book, it would be paid off, but in the process, our economy will be wrecked as a result of the inflation that comes along with it.

The people who own the debt wouldn't accept worthless payment. They would not consider it paid, and since our Government backs it up, this would be illegal I'm pretty sure.

If I came to you with 10,000 leaves and said "Each leaf is worth $1, here you go, the $10,000 I owed you is paid" you'd be like "I don't think so, and you sold the leaves and they fetched 50 cents for the lot, you'd say, "OK you still owe me $9,999.50"....
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Just to jump in here, what you say is true but like with all things economic, there are two sides to the coin. Lower US$ values mean foreigners can buy more of our goods at a cheaper price in their currency ergo more demand for US$-denominated goods, i.e, US-manufactured goods and services.

In general a lower US$ value is a "symptom" not a "cause" of a "bad" economy. In a recession, the fed seeks to lower the value of US$ to spur the demand for our goods and services.

That all being said, I'm long September DX from 81.28; I'm betting it's gone as low as it's gonna go.
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lesopp join:2001-06-27 Land O Lakes, FL	Don't forget that in the first two of those last six years the Democrats controlled the senate.
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Republicans at the state level are much more prone to raising taxes then at the federal level.

typical communist talking points. It's not about affording tax cuts. Its about the government not taking as much money from people! People own that money, but communists believe all money belongs to the almighty government and whatever the government lets you keep is because of their 'generosity'!

Vote Ron Paul 2008!!!

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We Are Taxed On Just About Everything With The Exception Of Breathing Air ... Until They Can Find A Loophole Somewhere That Will Make Oxygen Taxable. (*sarcasm*)

Rather Than Having Their Hands In Yet Another Cookie Jar, Maybe It's Time For Them To Cut "Wasted Money" From Within Their Organization. Allow The Public To Know Where And How Collected Taxes Are Spent And Why A New Tax Is Needed.
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"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise revenues in the long run is to cut rates now. The experience of a number of European countries has borne this out. This country's own experience with tax reduction has borne this out. The purpose of cutting taxes is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which will bring a budget surplus."—John F. Kennedy, December 1962

And it would work if it weren't for spending.

People get caught up in trying to blame the other team, but really, if the American people wanted smaller, less-obtrusive government, and less spending, then we'd get it. Notice how both parties talk about the benefits of this or that government action; they are only doing what sells.

Politicians are no different than eeevil businessmen except their incentive is not to make profit but to get reelected. That's why it always amuses me that so many here think the government should take a more active roll in broadband policy (e.g., whenever there is a story about how we're supposedly falling behind in broadband penetration).

Your wording reminded me of a quote from Nobel Prize-winning economist Thomas Sowell,

"Those who want to take our money and gain power over us have discovered the magic formula: Get us envious or angry at others and we will surrender, in installments, not only our money but our freedom. The most successful dictators of the 20th century -- Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao -- all used this formula and now class warfare politicians here are doing the same."

The fact is, the income tax isn't a tax on the wealthy, it's a tax on becoming wealthy.

Think about it, what's the average net worth of a US Senator? How is it that some 8 or 9 of the top 10 richest are Democrats, the ones who advocate (more than the other party) a bigger program and more taxes to pay for it?

Whether you like it or not, through the tax structure, both parties nowadays discourage the people from picking themselves up from their own bootstraps. If we did that, what would we need a $2.9 trillion budget for? And why should we reelect Sen. Snort for approving it?

The income tax is used to keep people from becoming independently wealthy. All this talk about tax cuts for the rich, Jesus Christ! the rich don't work. Super-successful Presidents and CEOs aside, most of them are wage slaves, too.

Why should we begrudge that they get a little back on a measly tax cut when the top 25% of wage earners pay 85% of all taxes? Of course they're going to get "more" back. More percentage? No, Bush's eeevil tax cut gave more % back to the middle class, but because of the disparity in who pays the most $$ to begin with, the eeevil rich got more in terms of raw dollars. (In case you're wondering, I'm lucky to clear $35K/year, so I'm not talking out of self interest.)

The only "fair" taxes are those that tax consumption because it's egalitarian. We would all pay the same, but the "rich" pay more because they tend to buy more stuff. But that would take the tools of social architecture away from republicans and democrats (let alone inflame the covetous polity of modern society) so it's never going to happen.

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The internet sales tax wouldn't irk me so much if I could actually find the same products locally that I can get on sites like Newegg, at reasonable prices; that is to say, I simply can't get many great products locally. Why should I pay taxes locally when the people who provided the product are thousands of miles away?

The sales tax ban only applies to taxing actual Internet connections (ie: state can't tax you for your cable/fios/dsl connection).

States are free to tax items purchased online and many do tax them. I don't know if Michigan does, but here in NJ, you are supposed to write in all items purchased online when preparing your taxes so the state can take their cut. Most don't do this and sometimes it comes back to bite them later.
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ColorBASIC 8-bit Fun Premium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA	Re: Tax Ban Will Expire In California they call it Sales/Use tax. It's sales tax when you buy it in state, use tax when you buy it from out of state. Of course only businesses are actually paying any use tax. -- Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire
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In California they call it Sales/Use tax. It's sales tax when you buy it in state, use tax when you buy it from out of state. Of course only businesses are actually paying any use tax.

Of course If You buy something outside of California, That doesn't always mean that the Use Tax will get paid, I bought something and got It here and I didn't pay any tax on It(at least not in California), And It came straight down the freeway and the CHP didn't care either(They don't care I don't think). The CAFTB can go suck a lemon.

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Yeah I'm aware that the states are allowed to apply sales tax to internet purchases, I was just ranting a bit (comparing my ideal vs. reality).

Michigan has the same rules as NJ; there is a line on the tax form where you are supposed to tell the state how much you spent online (almost no one is masochistic enough to do it though, hence lawmakers decrying "lost revenue" from sales taxes.)

Funny how the state takes our money through taxation and they get ticked when we take it back.

In the case of the cigarette purchases you linked to, if those people wanted to avoid trouble from their governments, they should have purchased their smokes from some of the sovereign native American tribes using cash, not credit cards. The Indians likely wouldn't co-operate with the white man's government, and greenbacks are harder to trace than credit cards which are totally transparent.

My only real point is that Michigan didn't have any part in getting me my Newegg.com merchandise, California did. If I were to pay any sales tax it really should go to them.

This is all way OT anyway. Down with internet access taxes!
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Timmn join:2000-04-23 Tinley Park, IL ·AT&T Yahoo	Illinois has a "Use Tax" on things purchased out of state and on the internet that are going to be used in the state. The tax just happens to be equal to the state sales tax. So far, collection of this tax has been on the honor system, you get a form in the state income tax booklet to report your purchases. I don't know of anyone who has actually filled out the form.
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Industries that provide Internet access services have long backed making the ban permanent, and they already enjoy support from some members of Congress. In the House, Rep. Anna Eshoo, a California Democrat, has introduced such a measure, and senators have made similar moves

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Ferin @qwest.net	Uh, this is law is from the late nineties. It's a Clinton era tax cut. Pay attention to the story.
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scrummie02 Bentley Premium join:2004-04-16 Arlington, VA	Re: Tax Ban Will Expire A Clinton era tax cut proposed by a Republican congress. He didn't have much to do with it.
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KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK ·AT&T Yahoo ·AT&T DSL Service ·Cox HSI ·AT&T Southwest	Re: Tax Ban Will Expire said by scrummie02 : A Clinton era tax cut proposed by a Republican congress. He didn't have much to do with it. More misinformation. He was heavily behind it and lobbied for it, and he signed it.
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Re: Tax Ban Will Expire

yet more misinformation.
It was written by Representative Chris Cox (R) and Senator Wyden (D). There was an extension voted on in 2004 where a majority of the NAYS were Democrats.

»www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r···te=00308
»www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r···te=00075

Clinton "lobbied" for the Bill the first time because the votes in the Senate were overwhelmingly for it. With support like that the first time, why wouldn't he have signed it?
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Not misinformation, fact.

You said "Clinton had nothing to do with it." That was patently false, as he was lobbying for the measure, supported it, and signed it. He didn't write it, he's the President, he can't write legislation, but he can push for it.

Just admit what you said was false, and don't throw up FUD to cover your mistake. Throwing up links to who proposed the legislation in Congress is just classic misdirection from the topic.

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him signing something really isn't him having anything to do with it's creation.

I am fully aware the Executive Branch doesn't write legislation. It's common misconception he had was behind it, he wasn't. As I noted, a good majority supported the measure, so why wouldn't he sign it. Not signing it would be political suicide.

Show me proof he lobbied for the bill and I will stand corrected. Until then, he just signed it.....
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The Democrat Party is hell bent on having all of the Bush-era tax cuts expire as their new budget proposals indicate. There is no reason to believe that they will do anything to keep this tax ban in place.

Ah, the first wingnut shot across the bow. Ok, I'll respond by firing a salvo of torpedoes into your hulk....

My state is Republican controlled to the max. Both House and Senate by huge margins. These Republican lawmakers have been heavily lobbying for the ban to be lifted... so how does that fit into your little model? Try thinking outside the Republican party speaking points, please. This is a bipartisan issue (and yes, I think it sucks.)
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Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ	no new tax is needed, they just want a new tax. but right now their primary money drain isnt gunna be a popular excuse. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports
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