 | | lol Haha, AT&T finally they are goin after this corporation. AT&T worst fears are real regulated meters and once when congress see's that AT&T has been lying about the capacity it will be funny, but not to get off topic AT&T's usage meters are off, and even if you dont have anything open for the whole month it use's data or so it says you do.., I wonder what AT&T's excuse is gonna be to get out of this one? | |
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| Re: lol A device connected to the network can "use" data even if all applications are "off".
Consider a computer in "standby" where the network link is still up - data may flow TO the computer - even if the computer doesn't process it (think Layer 2)
It all depends on the layer level at which data metering is made. | |
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| | | | Re: lol Reminds me of a story a year or two ago about a couple who raked up a few thousand dollars worth of data roaming charges even though their phones were "turned off" because their phones were periodically waking up to check mail.
With the amount of stuff devices and applications do in the background that users do not know about, the correlation between what you know you have done and what is happening in the background can be (much) weaker than expected. | |
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| |  BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by cowboyro:A device connected to the network can "use" data even if all applications are "off".
Consider a computer in "standby" where the network link is still up - data may flow TO the computer - even if the computer doesn't process it (think Layer 2)
It all depends on the layer level at which data metering is made.
Sorry that data shouldn't count. | |
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| Re: lol said by BF69:said by cowboyro:A device connected to the network can "use" data even if all applications are "off".
Consider a computer in "standby" where the network link is still up - data may flow TO the computer - even if the computer doesn't process it (think Layer 2)
It all depends on the layer level at which data metering is made.
Sorry that data shouldn't count. Shouldn't vs it counts.
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|  RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
join:2001-08-25
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kudos:2 | said by Cobra11M:I wonder what AT&T's excuse is gonna be to get out of this one?
Not an excuse, but more of a question..
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join:2010-02-03
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| Re: lol someone says, "let them investigate us. That way, when they approve our merger, we can say that they already investigated our business practices and found them superior to anyone else. finally, when we get around to raising prices and lowering service levels, we can blame it all on TMO substandard practices." | |
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| | | Once AT&T pays them off the whole thing will disappear. Just two senators who didn't get enought AT&T money for their last campaign. | |
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| tomk62
join:2001-11-01
Trenton, NJ | Re: Subscribers have no way of telling how much data downloaded! It's not the data download that is the issue, it's the fact that the device is in my house connected to my WiFi network but yet somehow AT&T says the device is transferring data over 3G. WTF? | |
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join:2008-01-29
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kudos:1 |  Re: Subscribers have no way of telling how much data downloaded!
 Is AT&T charging customers against their allocation, whenever the handset sends location information to AT&T? How about any other 3G System overhead? | |
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|  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
join:2002-03-03
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kudos:4 | said by Mr Matt: Each program should be provided with a GUI where the user can determine how much background data the application has downloaded each month. Charging for usage should be declared illegal until all and I mean all software installed on an internet enabled device that download or upload data to the internet without the users knowledge or permission.
Without regulation the average consumer is screwed. They are treated like mushrooms by being kept in the dark about data usage and then receiving large bills for overages.
And your solution is some vast government bureaucracy deciding the minutiae of how a program app is coded? Get real.
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| | | | | Re: Subscribers have no way of telling how much data downloaded! As a developer, I can say that I'm not adding code to my program to monitor its data usage. | |
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Good Consumers have a right to know that AT&T's claims about their metered usage are accurate, especially when there is seemingly such a large problem with customers being charged overages when they should not be.
No company which sells a metered product or service can get away with giving you its unverifiable opinion as to how much of the product or service you consumed. Why should any metered broadband provider be different? If grocery stores, gas stations, water and power utilities and other such companies must submit to government regulation when it comes to ensuring the accuracy of their meters, then so should AT&T.
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join:2005-11-23
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| Ooookay. I mean I'm glad someone's checking, but considering you get 2GB, and you can check it anytime with the #DATA* thing, I'd say it's a pretty minimal of an issue. God knows what uses what on my phone, the thing is pushing or pulling data a lot, and it still only uses at most 800MB/month with Pandora, Maps, etc etc. | |
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join:2001-08-30
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| Re: Ooookay. The issue isn't that you can't find out how much data AT&T says you are using, it's that there's no way to verify that it's accurate.
The cell data usage as reported by AT&T is always greater than what my iPad 2 reports. Sometimes by as much as 400 MB a month. If you're within a few hundred MB of the 2 GB cap, that's enough to push you over.
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Re: Ooookay. Well, I guess we'll see what happens then. Hopefully this can get resolved. | |
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| WhatNowPremium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC | Re: Time to restore state's rights The regulated did not work as well as you think it did. The reason it was regulated was you had set boundaries. I grew up in a town that had a private telco that charged more for a 4 party line the Southern Bell charged for a private line just a kids bike ride away. We lost service if we had a heave due.
The reason the Bell System was so good was long distance paid a lot of the bills. When they lost the LD distance a lot of upgrades were took longer.
Not every customer has a choice but most people in cities have telco and cable. I don't but neighborhoods on both sides do so I feel your pain of the lack of choice.
I am just saying when POTS was regulated people complained and wanted it deregulated. So be careful what you wish for. | |
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|  rchandraStargate Universe fanPremium
join:2000-11-09
14225-2105 | ...but they aren't, and nor should they be. For everyone who says this, I have to wonder why they think they need so much government controlling their lives, and that the private sector can't meet their needs and wants. The only bottleneck these days tends to be the last hop (not exactly the last mile in the case of satellite, eh? more like 45000, give or take, in that case), and has been somewhat remedied by the Telcom Act of 1996 where UNEs were created. But that was only done to correct a government supported cabling monopoly/duopoly.
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| Interesting. I have a 3G data card from them and have on occasion noticed the phantom usage. The connection manager software shows data being transferred at around 30KB/s and it also shows on my account page online. If I watch network activity on resource monitor while this is happening, NOTHING is running in the background that would cause the unknown traffic.
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join:2011-05-15
Baltimore, MD | Like plugged in electronics This is just like how your TV uses trace amounts of electricity when it's off. With location-centric phones these days, every smartphone calls home once in a while even when it's not being used. | |
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join:2009-02-08
Manitowoc, WI
1 edit | The telecos got a deregulation bill passed in wisconsin This is all thanks to governor scott walker. So I am not sure what herb kohl is gonna do about it now. I am confused to why it has not been news on dslr front page. | |
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Subscribers have no way of telling how much data downloaded!
Charging for usage is fraud unless subscribers have a way of determining how much data has been downloaded by each application and the operating system on a computer without the users knowledge or permission. Each program should be provided with a GUI where the user can determine how much background data the application has downloaded each month. Charging for usage should be declared illegal until all and I mean all software installed on an internet enabled device that download or upload data to the internet without the users knowledge or permission. How much data has been downloaded by doubleclick this month? How about Windows update?
If an app can be coded to send all of your personal usage information back to the creator, I do not think it would be to hard to code it to store and display the amount of data consumed by the app each month.
