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Politicians Who Support Protect IP Clueless About What it Does
One Thinks It's About Immigration, Another...Net Neutrality
by Karl Bode Wednesday 20-Jul-2011 tags: legal · business · hardware · networking · consumers
During the last year the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office of the Department of Homeland Security has launched a new campaign that involves seizing the domains used by websites involved in copyright infringement, the sale of counterfeit goods or child pornography. The problem is that the program has been borderline incompetent, taking legitimate foreign businesses offline, as well as earlier this year causing the outage of 84,000 largely legal websites after seizing the domain of a free DNS service operator.

After several failed attempts to pass a law codifying the government's efforts to seize and/or filter domains deemed dedicated to infringing activities, Uncle Sam's Protect IP Act is now winding its way through the legislative process. While politicians are pushing the bill at the behest of entertainment industry lobbyists, experts in DNS functionality continue to warn that the bill's focus on DNS filtering could fundamentally break the Internet. Meanwhile, Mike Masnick at Techdirt is doing an amusing job pointing out that many of the politicians who support the bill have absolutely no idea what it does:

Last week, we wrote about Mark Lemley sending a letter to Rep. Anna Eshoo about the problems of PROTECT IP, and rather responding about that, Eshoo wrote him back about immigration. Then, we had another story about Senator Kristen Gillibrand receiving a similar letter complaining about PROTECT IP... and she sent back a letter talking about the unrelated "internet kill switch" legislation. And, in the comments to that post, Paul told us about his own letter protesting PROTECT IP, which was sent to Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison... and she wrote back about net neutrality.

In short, as usual, a significant number of politicians have no idea about what this bill does or the technological problem it creates -- they're simply supporting it because the MPAA is telling (paying?) them to. Meanwhile, the MPAA Is telling everyone that they should ignore the concerns of a growing community of legal and technical experts (like Dan Kaminsky, Verisign CSO Danny McPherson, Paul Vixie and Georgia Tech DNS security expert David Dago) and simply trust them when they say this bill is necessary to prevent the Internet from becoming a "lawless Wild West."

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Storage_Guy

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Politicians

Does this honestly surprise anyone? How many legislators really read what they are voting on? I would bet not many.

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Stop everyone you know from buying MPAA / RIAA products. Our future internet literally depends on it.

Remember you no longer have to torrent to find your favorite tv shows and movies with sites like scene source (google it) and thousands other direct download sites like it.

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Scenesource isn't direct download, is it?

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Scenesource isn't direct download, is it?

The links are posted by users, click on the name of the show you want and it will take you directly to the links.

If you have trouble, scroll to the bottom of the list for the freshest links.

After 2 years of using the site, its never failed me yet.

I usually prefer Fileserve links as it downloads ~ 550 Kb/s. Plenty fast for me. And best of all, no more annoying DMCA notices from my ISP.

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My point was only that it links to direct download sites. I can't believe the huge numbers of links that get listed out though.

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said by Goober:

My point was only that it links to direct download sites. I can't believe the huge numbers of links that get listed out though.

Yes, its posted by users.

The reason I like the site, is its fast. Usually within a few minutes of a TV show's release, its on here for download.

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This kind of stuff really is an unstoppable juggernaut. The xxAAs will never learn at this rate.
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I agree and have been boycotting any MPAA/RIAA for years now.If I want a movie I will find it used.Just bought blu-ray LOTR EXT used and as far as RIAA goes I never buy or care about any of these corporate music I listen to Indie stuff.
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Thats why we need that bill they keep killing that makes any bill or decisions have to be read totally before any votes are made. This just reinforces why we need it.
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said by Storage_Guy:

Does this honestly surprise anyone? How many legislators really read what they are voting on? I would bet not many.

They don't even read the letters we send. They hire staff to read the letters, then staff presses the closest to appropriate button in reply. So, if the letter is about computer legislation (protection against IP piracy), and the button closest is about "net neutrality", push that button and move on.
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Politicians aren't qualified to lead

Maybe it's obvious that these politicians aren't qualified to be making these decisions. If this is a glimpse into how congress makes laws, then we are doomed.
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Re: Politicians aren't qualified to lead

I say we fire congress, the senate and the prez for 4 years and see how well we come out
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Sigh.

Anyone watch the recent Daily Show? I ask because they had a great bit regarding the B.S. our elected officials say. I just cant wrap my brain around their actions anymore. I need to get off the internet and move to Alaska, and even there I bet I would get exposed to the B.S.

elios

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fail aids

more that there aids dont have a clue
99% of the time you get a form letter back sent by an aid or intern

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The name of it sounds good but its really not.....

Just the like the patriot act.....The protect ip act, is just as devasting, we have the dmca act, now the MAFIAA needs more laws to prop there failing business model up. Herb kohl is one of those buffoons supporting it.
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Re: The name of it sounds good but its really not.....

said by Murdoc:

Just the like the patriot act.....The protect ip act, is just as devasting, we have the dmca act, now the MAFIAA needs more laws to prop there failing business model up. Herb kohl is one of those buffoons supporting it.

And it has to have a good name to get the ball rolling!

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Idiot GOP

No shocker here, especially from a conservative angle. The idiot GOP always supports these kinds of laws to the hilt, even though the main beneficiaries of them, namely Big Hollywood, are no friends to the GOP or any of its supporters.

I still fail to see how any further IP protection laws are needed. IP holders have numerous civil remedies available to them should their IP be infringed. On top of that, Big Hollywood and other sorts of interests have been able to successfully offload the costs of this enforcement by having the government declare certain forms of infringement to be illegal. So now we have the taxpayer on the hook for enforcing privately-held IP rights.

Why exactly are more laws needed?
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Re: Idiot GOP

As much as I'd love to slam the GOP for this, two of the three politicians names in the article are Democrats. This just shows that Democrats and Republicans are pretty equal when it comes to ignoring what is best for the people in favor of special interest groups who come bearing lobbyist money.
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said by Jason Levine:

As much as I'd love to slam the GOP for this, two of the three politicians names in the article are Democrats. This just shows that Democrats and Republicans are pretty equal when it comes to ignoring what is best for the people in favor of special interest groups who come bearing lobbyist money.

I actually do not fault the Democrats for supporting such laws. Big Hollywood is an important part of their fundraising arm. That doesn't even factor in all of the movies, TV shows and other media that it produces that paints those who are not liberals as being bad people.

From that perspective, it makes perfect sense for the Democrats to do anything and everything to help this industry.
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No shocker here- you don't blame the party you like for taking the exact same actions as the party you hate. Congress is to blame, but people who vote through knee-jerk reactions are the people that put them there. Who's to blame for not putting any thought into their actions?

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When it comes to corporate support stupidity, neither party is better...period
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GOP supports business, and though they may say they don't like the entertainment industry, they probably have as many ties as Democrats. And blocking stuff from the internet appeals to all politicians, but conservatives in particular.
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The problem is not only the Group of Pricks but Democrats who follow the cash.We need to get some real folk in Washington who do not and never will take corporate money lobbying.Let the others take it but stand for all of us. without taking cash.
Screw Washington !!!
Vote Indie !!!

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Re: Idiot GOP

Will never work since "Citizens United" and PACs give the GOP and the "Blue Dog" Democrats In Name Only unlimited corporate funding.

Only way to fix it is to make it federal law that the only funding they can get is from the general fund, all get the same amount and all media must donate equal time to each candidate. All media companies must also be banned from running any political ad, no matter who pays for it.

Another few things we need is instant runoff voting to allow 3rd party candidates a chance, and make voting days national holidays with the voting being mandatory by threat of fine as is used in countries with the highest voter turnout. Since as it stands barely a 3rd of the nation bothers to vote, which isn't democracy and even the GOP knows this is how they get elected since whenever voting percentage is down more republicans get voted in, when it's high progressives win.
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We the corporate people...

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See now, I would have called it the Incorporated States of America.

Or perhaps the Conglomerated States of America.....
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Universal Slavesumers of America.....

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Or, we could go with the North American Association of Free Trade Serfs....
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Qualifications?

I think each and every political decision maker should be presented with a brand new PC with a blank hard drive and a Windows installation DVD. Give them 1 or 2 hours to get the whole thing up and running and connected. If they cannot perform this in the allotted time, tell them that they are not qualified and send them home.
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Re: Qualifications?

I was sitting here trying to come up with bad counterexamples for you, but just couldn't. My favorite counterexample that I thought of (that would actually be a good idea) was:

Put a driver's license candidate in front of a car with a flat tire. If they can't change to the spare in the allotted time, they're not qualified to drive and send them home.
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Duh. Clueless.

Why am I not surprised?

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Re: Duh. Clueless.

Clueless Politicians?!?!?!?! SAY IT ISN"T SO!
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taking "legitimate" foreign businesses offline ???

Applying that term to the web sites taken offline in Spain is quite amusing. They are certainly LEGAL in Spain. But "legitimate" is quite something else. It is just that Spain has zero interest in protecting foreign copyrights and encourages wholesale piracy.
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said by Romney2012:

Applying that term to the web sites taken offline in Spain is quite amusing. They are certainly LEGAL in Spain. But "legitimate" is quite something else. It is just that Spain has zero interest in protecting foreign copyrights and encourages wholesale piracy.

That's ok considering 99% of the world finds US policies abysmal.

Did you forget that we are a Bankrupt, war mongering, corporate owned, over criminalized nation?

Who would follow that???? What world are you living in??
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Re: taking "legitimate" foreign businesses offline ???

Are you saying you want to move there or?
axiomatic

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Re: taking "legitimate" foreign businesses offline ??

What he's saying is that this isn't the country we all grew up in. It becoming something different and more ugly by the day.

I agree with him too.

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said by Kamus:

Are you saying you want to move there or?

You can't just arbitrarily move to a European country. Believe it or not most countries really don't want Americans living there.

Besides I like America its my home and I have my family here. But its certainly not one of the better countries to live in.
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this article is misleading

it's pretty obvious that the politicians aids sent the wrong form letter regarding the wrong subject. i doubt that the congressman even saw the actual letter.
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biggest issue is this. the people that have knowledge and such about issue currently in congress/senate. cannot afford to run for the office. and win

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my name peggy.

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Nothing new in America

Politicians are been voted in for spouting religious dogma not intelligence so no this all makest sense.

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Re: Nothing new in America

Whats best about that is paranoid religious republican voters never question the GOP's 3 upside down "star of satan" in their logo, yet one the other day was saying soccer was the devil's sport since satan and soccer both start with "S" and that it goes against god's will since you can't use the 2 arms god gave you...
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As usual, I'm underrepresented

In this matter and others, I'm poorly represented by KIRSTEN Gillibrand. At bare minimum though, at least she and Kay got mmmmm maybe in the parking lot of the ballpark by noting it's Internet related. Still...I would have hoped Ms. Gillibrand (and Mr. Schumer) would have some clues about due process and Amendment IV.

I don't know exactly what a "CSO" is/does, but everyone at VeriSlime should be well aware of what happened (at least in terms of technologists' outcry) when they/Network Solutions tried screwing with .com and .net with their Site Finder abomination. Likewise, neither ICE nor anyone else for that matter should have any such control over DNS. They should just be stewards of the proper functioning, and leave technical decisions like that up to the IETF. ICE need to find nontechnical ways of shutting these people down, and, if anything, be limited to .us.
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Very few politicians...

know anything about technology, and I think quite few don't even bother to read the bills they are voting on.

Politicians tend to be owned by corporations (who give them lots of "election campaign" funds (bribes) ), so they don't need to know what the bill is for; just vote the way you are told to vote.

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