Press Helps Carriers Justify Sky High LTE Prices Spectrum Bogeyman, Selective Amnesia and Fauxconomics Over the last few months several reports have surfaced pointing out that U.S. residents pay significantly more for fiber than their European counterparts. The New York Times highlighted that U.S. LTE is up to seven times more expensive than it is overseas. Verizon Wireless, for example, charges $7.50 per gigabyte of LTE -- three times the European average of $2.50 and ten times the 63 cents per gigabyte charged in Sweden. Another study pointed out how 4G pricing is 20% higher than 3G pricing was, despite being considerably more efficient. The reason for this is not complicated: the majority of the U.S. wireless sector is controlled by two companies, who, thanks to feeble competition and duopoly power (spectrum hoarding, regulatory capture, special access market dominance), have collectively jacked up the price of data to protect themselves from the looming loss of SMS and voice revenues. That's courtesy of AT&T and Verizon's new shared data plans, which offer unlimited voice and SMS, but impose per device fees and data overage charges of $15 per gigabyte. The latest earnings reports show shared data has consumers paying more than ever for their data. While outlets like the Times and Bloomberg News correctly noted the high prices were the result of two carriers dominating the contract market, it's entertaing to see some analysts pretending this market power plays absolutely no role in soaring prices. Hal Singer at Forbes informs his readers that they're not really being overcharged for service by an uncompetitive duopoly, they're just dealing with "supply and demand": As any first-year economic student understands, prices are determined by supply and demand conditions. When performing international price comparisons, one should account for these differences before proclaiming that U.S. consumers spend too much on a particular service. Of course, it is much easier to generate readership (and hence advertising dollars) with fantastic claims that our wireless markets are not competitive. Any second year economic student will tell you, supply and demand only sets prices in competitive, functioning markets. In the United States, you've got two carriers -- AT&T and Verizon -- pushing their way toward 75% domination of the contract wireless data market. What sets prices in a duopoly suffering from regulatory capture? Predators. Almost as if they're getting their talking points from a single source (gosh, could that be possible? If so, golly, from who?) Roger Entner over at Fierce Wireless also insists high prices aren't due to duopoly power, they're due to supply and demand and the spectrum bogeyman: The fatal flaw is that it does not take into account the basic tenet of economics that a "price" is established at the point where supply and demand are at equilibrium. Higher demand for LTE in the U.S. than in Europe, combined with a more limited spectrum inventory to support LTE in the U.S. may well bedevil American consumer advocates until the FCC opens the spectrum spigot Except as we've noted more than a few times, the "spectrum bogeyman" isn't supported by real data -- it's a lobbying tool used by carriers (like the Exaflood before it) to scare regulators and the press into signing off on poor behavior (if we don't overcharge/fight net neutrality/merge the Internet will explode). Most carriers now say they have plenty of spectrum to deploy LTE fully, and if there's a shortage it's the result of inefficient use of spectrum, like AT&T's slow refarming of 2G network spectrum. Both writers positions are virtually indistinguishable from that of the major carriers: competition in the industry is perfectly healthy, duopoly abuse and regulatory capture doesn't exist, and if there is price gouging going on -- it's because of the spectrum bogeyman or due to the hallucinations of simpletons who don't understand economics.
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 | | But our voice is cheaper than in Europe? Isn't? At least there is some good news for the US!  | |
|  |  gar187erI do this for a living join:2006-06-24 Dover, DE kudos:4 | Re: But our voice is cheaper than in Europe? people still talk on cell phones? -- I'm better than you! | |
|  |  |  | | Re: But our voice is cheaper than in Europe? thats the main basic function of phone or smartphone. People still talk. Talk is more important than you think, one verbal word says more than one written word. | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: But our voice is cheaper than in Europe? right so if i say hello on the phone or in person means more then texting the word. Words are not pictures,words have meaning, weather you say the word or write it out it still means the exact same thing, respecting the context of the word used of course. | |
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| Re: But our voice is cheaper than in Europe? said by bhctech10 :right so if i say hello on the phone or in person means more then texting the word. Words are not pictures,words have meaning, weather you say the word or write it out it still means the exact same thing, respecting the context of the word used of course. Right, they have the same meaning, but their perception from audience can change based on tone which can affect its meaning. A good example is a use of sarcasm or even use of "hey". If u say to someone hey in happy tone, the person knows you're happy to hear them. If he shouts, them you know it's about something else. | |
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|  |  |  |  |  |  MikePremium,Mod join:2000-09-17 Pittsburgh, PA kudos:1 | Re: But our voice is cheaper than in Europe? "one verbal word says more than one written word." | |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Popular Stupidity Too I agree that Verizon and AT&T being too big is part of the problem, but when you have people snapping up these $90/month plans with capped data like they are water, what incentive is there for either company to lower their prices? -- Romney/Ryan 2012 - Put a couple of mature adults in charge. | |
|  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Popular Stupidity Too said by pnh102:I agree that Verizon and AT&T being too big is part of the problem, but when you have people snapping up these $90/month plans with capped data like they are water, what incentive is there for either company to lower their prices? Define too big? So they should have laws limiting the number of customers? That will DECREASE prices? Make mobile companies into regional companies? How is that going to lower prices? it certainly will decrease service.
As you say the customer is CHOOSING these plans. So basically we should have laws to save customers form their own stupidity? | |
|  |  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Re: Popular Stupidity Too I agree there isn't a good way to define "too big" and that the bigger problem will remain customer stupidity. -- Romney/Ryan 2012 - Put a couple of mature adults in charge. | |
|  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Popular Stupidity Too They are big because they have the most customers. The have the most customers because they provide service to the most people. Sprint and T-Mobile don't offer service in my area because I guess we not big enough for them. Is that Verizon's or at&t's fault? Nope. If these companies want more customers go to where the customers actually are. | |
|  |  |  |  |  CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium join:2011-08-11 NYC kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: Popular Stupidity Too Again, this 'spectrum crisis' could be avoided completely if the carriers built up their infrastructure. Expensive? Sure it would be but, as Pnh correctly said, people snap up these plans like water now. How about forgoing dividends and re-investing for a change?
People who live in hurricane prone areas should spend some of their own money to board up the windows... buy a generator... store some extra food; and not go crying to the government for a spectrum handout. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Popular Stupidity Too said by CXM_Splicer:Again, this 'spectrum crisis' could be avoided completely if the carriers built up their infrastructure. Considering Verizon has LTE to 80% of its customers and is by FAR ahead of anyone else. I'm not sure how you can say they are not doing that. The ones that are far behind are Sprint and T-Mobile the very companies al the at&t and Verizon haters want to give all the spectrum to.
What expertise do you have to say how much spectrum is "enough" to serve over 100 million customers? And what expertise to do you to say what will be enough in 5 or 10 years? | |
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| Re: Popular Stupidity Too Obviously there is no 'expertise' that can predict what the wireless landscape will look like in 10 years and I would be highly doubtful of anyone that claimed to know.
True VZ has been at the forefront of the LTE expansion but that has been under the current spectrum-hogging tower footprints... that's not what I mean by building up their infrastructure. I am not saying that VZ should never get spectrum under any circumstances... what I am saying is that they shouldn't get more until they are using their current spectrum at maximum efficiency; or, at the very least, until they make progress in addressing the spectrum shortage for themselves rather than just whine to the FCC about it. Standardization of technologies, micro-cells, sharing cell sites, there are LOTS of ways industry could & should deal with this NOW, before there is a problem.
If only companies still thought this way. Unfortunately, they have cut off their innovative 'balls' to maximize short term profits. Personally, I don't think the government should step in to encourage more of this behavior. | |
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It takes 5 times the PCS sites to match one 850Mhz base station. A whopping 9 times the sites of 2.6Ghz equip to match 1, yes 1, 850Mhz site. | |
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1 edit | said by BF69:Define too big? So they should have laws limiting the number of customers? That will DECREASE prices? Make mobile companies into regional companies? How is that going to lower prices? it certainly will decrease service. Only having 2 main wireless carriers in a country of 310 million is indeed too big. Spectrum has to be reallocated and divided accordingly for the 21st century, so that there is enough quality and usable spectrum in any city, to allow 4 to 5 business to offer a competing network on a similar playing field.
When one carrier has 25MHz of 700MHz, while the other has 10Mhz at 1.9Ghz, this is no match.
As you say the customer is CHOOSING these plans. So basically we should have laws to save customers form their own stupidity? The American consumer now has little actual choice; what part of this do you fail to grasp?
You yourself on here complain that x carriers do not service your area or well. | |
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 | | Both Are Shills Hal Singer isn't "press," he's a long time rent-a-PhD for the Bell companies. He wrote a famous petition to the FCC for the Bells in the late 90s saying that consumers would benefit if dial-up access was billed by the minute instead of as a local toll call.
Enter's firm lists the big wireless carriers as clients.
The press is usually terrible here, but these guys are shills for AT&T and Verizon, dispatched to clean up the mess last week's New York Times story created. | |
|  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Karl complains offers no solutions Does Karl wait until 24 hours before landfall before preparing for a hurricane? Karl's logic is preparing for a hurricane before hurricane season is pointless because hurricanes are not real. Is there a spectrum issue now? No. Should the carriers wait until there is one? Now THAT would be stupid. And no doubt Karl would then write an article about how the carriers were stupid in not preparing for said spectrum crisis. | |
|  |  morboComplete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 | Re: Karl complains offers no solutions The point is there is no looming hurricane; there is no need to prepare by giving in to the demands of Verizon and AT&T. Did you miss the main point of this article?
More: The propaganda pushed by AT&T and Verizon and their shills that there is a looming hurricane despite no evidence to support it. | |
|  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Karl complains offers no solutions said by morbo:The point is there is no looming hurricane; there is no need to prepare So you're a "prepare for a hurricane 24 hours before landfall" type guy. How does that usually end up for those people?
Did you miss the main point of this article? I got it. at&t and Verizon are evil and the only thing that can give people the nearly fee mobile data they are entitled to is to prevent at&t and Verizon form getting more spectrum and giving it to Sprint and T-Mobile isntead. And of course they PROMOISE to build out to rural areas with all that new spectrum. 
More: The propaganda pushed by AT&T and Verizon and their shills that there is a looming hurricane despite no evidence to support it. Because the at&t and Verizon hater don't have an agenda of their own.  | |
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| Re: Karl complains offers no solutions said by BF69:Because the at&t and Verizon hater don't have an agenda of their own.  Most of us are who are clued up are not "haters", we are the educated American consumer - many literally. We don't rely on talk-radio or cohorts of the 1% to tell me what's best; all while I am being forced to squeal like a pig.
We have enough common sense to gauge what the rest of the world is doing and compare it to our own market. Research and data clearly indicates that we are being fleeced by monopolies and crony capitalism.
The GOP base constantly accuse the anyone with a view of their own as being 'told what to believe'. However, time and time again, you guys who do this on EVERY single issue. Not matter the issue, you will rebut facts with gut-feelings and cliched rhetoric. | |
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| What's your solution? Let me guess, the breakthrough detail-oriented and research driven: /sarcasm
1. Allow the free market to work it all out magically. Even when there is no competition left; which is mandatory for the free market to work.
2. Government should stay out of it. Logic: Private equity and CEOs should get to decide the fate of 'We the people'. Not some 'government' we 'elect' into office, who wants that right...
3. Pretend the consumer gets to decide, even when dealing with monopolies. Logic: Reagan said it, so it must be true.
We've already played this game and because of it, we are now being charged a world record $40 or $50 for a mere 1 Gig of data. And being asked to pay extra for the "privilege" of sharing this 1 gig. | |
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| Look at the numbers In VZ quartery release last week, they are building out at a furious pace, and their gross margins just went over 50% which is unheard of in a "commodity" environment. If you look at the press release they are happy that uptake and jacking prices were even better than they expected.
As I've said people just have no internal controls, that's why 95% of the people are in a hard way when planning for retirement.
Also, their wireline margins went up w/ ARPU approaching $150, this of course with the cease fire with cable in their FIOS regions. They didn't even nary mention DSL environments because they just don't really care...They are to be divested.
The good news is all of this margin is subsidizing the prepaid market, so one can get robust prepaid phone (I pay no more than $25) which is a great deal if you are willing to do some hunting around for used phones. I think when LTE penetration rates hit 40% or so, they will allow MVNO's on the LTE network, because Sprint already does and TMO has HSPA42 which is good enough.
I think Sprint and TMO acquisitions are going to heat things up considerably, and then you will see prices fall or caps go up. | |
|  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Look at the numbers said by elefante72: I think when LTE penetration rates hit 40% or so, they will allow MVNO's on the LTE network, Verizon LTE is already available to 80% of it's customers. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Look at the numbers Well if you're going to limit the amount of spectrum Verizon can have why would they waste it on a MVNO when they need it themselves. If they have extra spectrum they'd have plenty for a MVNO to use because by it's nature MVNO doesn't have any of it's own. | |
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| So, what to do? Two ways to go here... regulation of prices, or encouraging competition. It's fine to rail against the emerging duopoly, but what to do?
I am afraid of price regulation, it does not have a good history with telcos. We had decades of stagnant innovation in the wired telephone arena.
How do we encourage competition? | |
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 | | Easy Solution LTE too expensive? Solution is easy: Don't buy it. Nobody's forcing you. It's not like air, food and water, which you need to live. It's not like shelter, which is pretty much a necessity, too. Or even heat and light.
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|  sparks join:2001-07-08 Little Rock, AR | I wish they would start by outlawing phones in cars I am sick and tired of people texting at 25 mph in a 65 zone. I am tired of honking at lights because the moron in from of us is typing or talking and ignores the light.
1 yr in jail for first offense and goes up from there.
but really this is BS and needs to be stopped. Every accident I hear about is caused by phone use. IF you want to drive, drive...if you want to talk talk. PULL THE F OVER proven fact you can't talk and drive and texting is pure idiot.
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| Re: I wish they would start by outlawing phones in cars I couldn't agree more, it is illegal to text or talk on a phone here in Nevada sans a hands free device. Should be flatout illegal period. I've seen soo many self important self absorbed assholes driving with the phone on their head, typically driving a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Or Cadillac. With the first being the worst human beings on the road. If I'm passing and see this I cut them off. In the Midwest I had heard of this pretentiousness of rich assholes and their overpriced luxo cars with "I own the road" attitude but never really saw it. Here in Vegas OMG! People in general are the worst drivers on the planet! I've talked to soo many people here that say the same thing, even cops say it. And the luxo brands I mentioned above well the stereo type it a cold hard fact here. Truly hatable group of pricks, entitled to no end dicks. Ohh and their the majority of law breaking yackers I see on the road. | |
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 WHT join:2010-03-26 Rosston, TX kudos:5 | Supply and Demand said by Hal Singer at Forbes : As any first-year economic student understands, prices are determined by supply and demand conditions.
And as any second year economic student understands, supply and demand has nothing to do with it...it all about corporations appeasing the short-term investors. | |
|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | The "Free Press" is... ... only as free as it's Corporate Masters allow it to be.
Huge mega-Corporations with powerful interests control the major media in the USA.
Therefore, it's increasingly difficult to get any real reporting from said sources. They will do what is best for their profit margin, not what is best for the Nation, or Democracy, or even basic rights. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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| Re: The "Free Press" is... said by KrK:... only as free as it's Corporate Masters allow it to be.
Huge mega-Corporations with powerful interests control the major media in the USA.
Therefore, it's increasingly difficult to get any real reporting from said sources. They will do what is best for their profit margin, not what is best for the Nation, or Democracy, or even basic rights. Nothing more needs to be said.
The corporate "press" in the USA is nothing more than a joke. Of course the joke is on the lemming public. | |
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