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 |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Re: Not a solution said by vulpes:
You can cut the cord in half, and wire it to the jack, then copy it 
This is special cable... its BX-steel-armored cable for the headphones hehehe.
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| |  vulpesAgent Smith
join:2002-09-13
Broomfield, CO | Re: Not a solution Haha, they also probably force you in the 10 by 10 by 10 metal cube where all you have is that walkman and set of headphones with a bx-steel-armored cable. | |
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| | | | | Re: Not a solution Why do you guys think that the intent is to keep the CD in the walkman?
The intent is to get the walkmans back. If they encounter a tampered one then the moron that returned it doesn't get any new prerelease material anymore.
They can seal these up pretty good and make it obvious that it was tampered with.
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| | | | Two words: Home Depot, and get a pair of Ideal BX cable cutters. | |
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| | | haha what a waste of walkman's. | |
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| |  Noz9
join:2002-09-11
Edison, NJ | Re: Not a solution RIAA must be really desperate now to try and stop people with glue. XD You know what this really does? Make people not buy and just download them so they can avoid the BS. Then the RIAA will whine about dwindling sales. LOL
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| JPCass
join:2001-01-23
Denver, CO | This seems like the perfect application for a cheap, at least partly proprietary player - say, with integrally attached nonremovable headphones - such as or similar to a MP3 player, thus not needing an expensive mechanism. Heck, such a thing could be made with the intent that it could be passed on to a few people which would help create "buzz" about a new song. Such a player could also be designed with a download-only USB port, allowing them to be re-loaded and re-used. But anything like that starts to sound way too smart for the troglodites in the recording industry. That they resort to kludges like crazy gluing relatively large and expensive pieces of machinery that are basically pre-personal-computer age devices dating back several decades, says volumes about the industry.
And yeah, all of the recording industry's attempts at proprietary technologies look pretty dumb and short-sighted. | |
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| | | | Re: Not a solution People People People!!! These glued players are NOT being sold to the public. It's what they give music reviewers so they can review albums that haven't even released yet. That's all. Jeez... I think a lot of you are freaking out over nothing. Not everything the record industry does is about taking away your fair use rights.
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| | | | | Re: Not a solution said by SRFireside:
People People People!!! These glued players are NOT being sold to the public. It's what they give music reviewers so they can review albums that haven't even released yet. That's all. Jeez... I think a lot of you are freaking out over nothing. Not everything the record industry does is about taking away your fair use rights.
I realize that, and I'm not freaking out at all. I'm laughing my ass off! | |
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | It's from the same company that made those tape recorders for the Agents in "Mission Impossible." It will self destruct in 10 seconds if you tamper with it.
MAN. What a moron! (the guy who 'thought up' the glued shut walkmans.... ) | |
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|  SpatchStugotsPremium
join:2001-06-29
Savannah, GA | Dammit, when are thes friggin' idiots gonna get it through their thick skulls. You can't stop it. Take the money you were gonna spend on all these useless copy protection schemes and "Go Buy A Clue!"
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| | | Does anyone remember the first home modems!! THe ones from the early 1980's like the one shown in the movie war games. I mean if those worked well enough for computer why couldn't one be hooked up for headphones!!! just a thought | |
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| | | | Re: Not a solution The audio signal from a CD player and the data signal from a modem are two totally different animals. Have you heard a modem work? Lots of static noises to us, but very coherent communication for the modem. It would be just the reverse. CD audio sounds all fine and dandy, but the modem would only hear it as garbage. Even if you get one of those old old modems that could hear the signal there is no way to receive that info well enough. Besides it's all a moot point anyway as you won't be seeing any of these glued up players offered to the public.
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| | | | said by MrHalloween:
Does anyone remember the first home modems!! THe ones from the early 1980's like the one shown in the movie war games. I mean if those worked well enough for computer why couldn't one be hooked up for headphones!!! just a thought
Because
A modem takes a analog signal and converts it to digital.
Thats a great idea, but the sound that comes from the headphones is an analog signal only, and it pretty much sucks. Cable to cable, or usb outs is pretty much what people would want to go with.
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 mikepdDiscoveryPremium,MVM
join:2000-10-26
New Port Richey, FL | Last I Heard... Krazy Glue could be removed with acetone otherwise known as nail polish remover. I could be wrong but I don't think this is a foolproof protection scheme.
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| | | Re: Last I Heard... You could also take a Dremel tool, and with I'd bet 5 mins max, of work, you have your disc. | |
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| mikepdDiscoveryPremium,MVM
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New Port Richey, FL | Quite true. I was thinking more along non-destructive means. lol
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 quik3Boris
join:2001-11-04
Brooklyn, NY | lol haha.. take it apart carefully, take offf the cd..n keep the cd player | |
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| | I think you have to give it back... So you want to make it appear that the seal has not been broken. That's where a handy-dandy screw driver comes into the picture. My personal tool of choice when working with the hardware inside of my computer.
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 Token4Trip HopPremium
join:2002-07-13
USA | No solution That doesn't seem like a solution to me. Easily broken, unless its to be returned. | |
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| | | Re: No solution Wow, this has to be the stupidest idea to prevent piracy EVER | |
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| |  phxmarkWhat Country Are We Living In?
join:2000-12-27
Glendale, AZ |  Re: No solution
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 flarnNo Logic Left
join:2001-02-10
North Richland Hills, TX | not going to work quote:
Universal, for example, plans to issue a unique code number with each CD copy of Bon Jovi's new album Bounce. This will provide access to a web site with information on priority concert tickets, as well as previously unreleased tracks.
This is not going to work.
Public Goods: goods and services that cannot readily be provided by markets, either because they are too expensive for a single individual to buy, or (this is the important part) because if one person buys them, everyone else would use them without paying.
If one person gets those tracks then they can put them on a p2p network, causing this idea to go down hill. As for the info on priority ticket info: these people are going to tell their friends (human nature) and/or this person could put it on the net or one of their friends could. Yet again the idea is shot.
as for the super glue: I say take some nail polish removal and get rid of the glue on the head phones, then hook it up and record it. Then re-attach the headphones and re-glue.
screw drivers may not work as they may just put glue on the screws too or make a specia version of the player without screws.
flarn
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| | This is total B*llSh*t
people. Like others have said before me, cut the cord to the headphones
and splice; Swab the CD player in fingernail polish remover to dissolve the glue, and hey ,
you got what you want. Want to go non destructive ? how about :
1) inductive stereo pickup on headphone made from (guess what )
other headphones, jacked into stereo preamp connected to computer for
direct ripping to mp3 format. And then on to Kazaa, or your favorite P2P
2) take back cover of cd off and look for digital serial out on cd, connect to sound processor card on computer for crisp digital audio.
3) use acoustically coupled microphones attached to headphones for same
effect as process 1.
any more ideas ?
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| | | Re: This is total B*llSh*t said by blackwuuf:
any more ideas ?
Hehe, yeah... the dummies probably bought Walkmans that also have a line output jack... DUH  | |
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| | | Let's put this all in perspective. These are players that are given to music reviewers so that pre-released CD's can be reviewed. The record company is merely trying to keep that CD from leaking out. I don't what the problem is here. It's not like you, the consumer, is buying a cd inside of an encased player that you cannot get to. It's reviewers that are getting these things. Sure somebody can get around it, but really people. This is not come fascist plot by the recording industry to control content like all the other crap they are trying to pull off.
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| | | | Re: This is total B*llSh*t I don't think anyone understands this. No end-users will be able to buy/rent/steal these sealed players from a store...there are probably only a dozen or so in existence. | |
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| | | Your not too bright are you? Splice the cord? If you splice the cord its kind of obvious that the device has been tampered with... | |
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| |  stetVolitar Prime
join:2002-03-08
Warren, MI | Re: This is total B*llSh*t A lot of these pirates aren't very bright. Oddly though they seem to think they're brilliant for circumventing the law.
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| | | | Please see my other options under "non-destructive methods "
as listed in original post.
thank you .. | |
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|  RR206
join:2001-12-11
united state | If they send this umm "Copy proof" walkman to radio stations, there has to be a way for the DJ to wire it to their equipment, and I don't think any of them will be down to put the headphones to the mic....I didn't read the whole article, so I don't know if anything was mentioned about that part of the deal.... | |
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| | | | Re: This is total B*llSh*t said by RR206:
If they send this umm "Copy proof" walkman to radio stations, there has to be a way for the DJ to wire it to their equipment.
According to the article it's reviewers only. Like guys from Rolling Stone and stuff like that. If they are sending pre-released albums to DJ's at radio station they are already conceding that the music is going to get serious rotation. These little "glueman" players are only for reviewers. It's like when movie reviewers go to pre-screening of movies so the reviews are out the same day the movie is released.
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| | Or if you want a crappy quality recording Stick your mic right up to the earpiece of the earphone... | |
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| | | Re: Or if you want a crappy quality recording | |
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join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | So... So, has anyone "cracked" it yet ??
Oh, that's pretty bad, ain't it ??
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| vulpesAgent Smith
join:2002-09-13
Broomfield, CO | Re: So... Lol, this just proves how dumb that idea is. | |
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| | Easiest! Get a friend @ the recoring studio to make you a dub of the MASTER. This way you have the next best thing to LIVE! | |
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| | I've got a plan... Just stop selling music. F*ck it. They can't have it their way, so just quit already.
Take the money you've already made for the past, what, 100 years-go screw yourselves. This 1984ish bullsh*t just reeks of idiocy at it's highest level.
Piracy does not condone idiocy.
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: I've got a plan... said by garagerock:
This 1984ish bullsh*t just reeks of idiocy at it's highest level.
Don't you mean it reeks of corporate greed? the record companies have been screwing us over since the 1960's. now they balk when given a taste of their own medicine! no longer do i have to pay $17.99 for a piece of plastic that costs less than a penny apiece (in bulk) to the record companies. When you can condense 15 cds to one compilation cd it sure minimizes the cd swapping in and out. i now have 'custom cds' that have every song i like. no filler | |
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| | | | Re: I've got a plan... Corporate greed = idiocy.
Yeah, you're correct; they sure don't like a taste of their own medicine.
I concur about compilation CD's as well. Why, for the love of God, would they want to stop consumers from customizing a mix CD to their own individual tastes? Hello? Paid subscription service? They are largely responsible for the fractured landscape that is the music industry today. Tastes are seldom easily categorized (at least all of the people I discuss music with) as there are soooooooo many choices, so many genres, sub-genres, and sub-sub-genres that they are just stupid dinosaurs for attempting to stop progress.
I once had a long, drunken debate with a struggling musician on this topic. It was 2 years ago. He took the Metallica take on this; it is his art, and he demands to be paid for every blessed copy out there. Hell, I agree to a certain extent, through a paid subscription service. He didn't want his art on the internet at all, period as he felt the medium encourages "piracy". He could not see the power of free distribution as a vehicle for exposure to a wider audience he couldn't reach with 8.5/11 fliers stapled to a telephone pole in his own town. I drove him to insanity with one phrase: "It's too late, it's too late-it's already happening right now and you can't stop it."
My favorite band, My Morning Jacket (www.mymorningjacket.com) (sorry, shameless promotion plug) was discovered by folks in the Netherlands, and through their website, countless others have discovered them as well. They just signed to a major label, and barely three years after their start in the biz. I can't help but think the internet and file sharing had a major impact on that rise to success.
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| | |  Ben677
join:2000-07-08
Monroe, GA | Re: I've got a plan... When your friend started whining about getting paid for every copy of thier "art" they stopped being a true artist!
Real artist musicians just want to play music they enjoy and hope others will enjoy it as well. Getting paid is a benefit. Getting rich should not be the main emphisis for making music.
And yes I am an artist musician.
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| | | | | | Re: I've got a plan... I concur, 100%.
If I had his email addy, I send your reply to him right now! | |
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 tomkbPremium
join:2000-11-15
Tampa, FL
kudos:5 | LOL How embarassing!
I imagine the player will have to be handcuffed to the person responsible or someone will just steal the whole thing and brake it open!
CD's will have to go up another dollar to pay for the players. | |
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|  Kaxman
join:2001-08-09
Chardon, OH |  Re: LOL
Dolts... | |
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YearZeroHeavy Metal BakesalePremium
join:2001-08-28
| This is insane... use the usb on the walkman.. This is nuts.. next up when you buy a cd a bodyguard escorts you home and follows you around to make sure you don't pirate or distribute it..... Notice how many people here are already thinking of ways around this.. you can't stop this P2P or piracy stuff RIAA/record labels so get your head out of our ass and work with the consumer..... If these are the new Sony Walkmans aren't there USB or some form of transfer method so you can put new music on them from your computer? Why not just use that and transfer it to your computer.... then it is all digital and ready to be traded.... some also have optical digital out if I am not mistaken... that would be even cleaner...
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| | Simple way to get around copy-protection Why not just hook up the CD-Out to the audio-in on your sound card and play. Seems like the simplest solution to me. Of course... the RIAA might decide to outlaw audio CD-Players altogether saying its just another way to copy songs to a computer. You know what, they'll probably ban tapes because a cassette player still has an audio out that can be connected to a computer. You know what, I think the RIAA should go back to selling good-ol vinyl with its superior quality. Then you see the sales drop and the RIAA starts complaining about how vinyl is contributing to online piracy. Maybe the RIAA should just cut our ears off... but they'll just blame the drop in sales on piracy again. Boy their smart. | |
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 ramones74Rock The Proverbial Casbah
join:2002-01-24
Mckeesport, PA | no catchy title Or how about this...I could care less about any major label crap, and would be more than happy to never receive any more. I write record reviews. Trust me- most of what I get is pure crap. I'd smash the CD and the discman. | |
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| | Sony/RIAA = Hypocrites Oh and another thing... i find it disgusting beyond belief how from one side Sony is trying to prevent music to be copied from CDs to the computer, but then turning around and selling mp3 players which have no other purpose than to play songs that you have on your computer. That may be the best business model (prevent Joe Schmoe from doing the ripping himself thus preventing him from wanting to buy the CDs, but encouraging him to download mp3s off the internet (substitute p2p for internet) so that he can put it on a mp3 player. | |
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| | | Re: Sony/RIAA = Hypocrites What an embarrassing and cheap tactic to stop the technological behemoth known as piracy. Is this their game plan, to combat a gun with a stone, almost?
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| fiddy27
join:2002-02-08
Noblesville, IN | This isn't the first time that the hardware side of Sony and the media side of Sony have been at odds. I seem to remember hearing about internal strife between the two groups before over things like VCRs. | |
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| | play nice and i don't give a flying f*ck. i can't read any more of these retarded RIAA vs ____________ articles. stop posting them already. everysingle time it's RIAA vs this-n-that if we don't pay attention they'll just get bored and go away.
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 JabbuPremium
join:2002-03-06 | roflmao! Whats next? Duct tape?
I also like how sony is all anti-piracy, and yet sell MP3 players. | |
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| | | Re: roflmao! i'd like to see some dj send the "pirate proof" walkman back in 1 million little tiny plastic shards.
"as you can see, i did not pirate or tamper with the seal at all. i took a sledgehammer to your c--ppy music and then ran over it a few times with my car." | |
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|  eliasPremium,VIP
join:2000-07-24
Miami, FL | said by Jabbu:
Whats next? Duct tape?
I also like how sony is all anti-piracy, and yet sell MP3 players.
Actually, you need to use a special memory stick to use it. It's a "MagicGate" Memory Stick, which has encryption stuff built-in, kind of like Secure Digital.
Also, I think it brings software so that you can make your own "legit" MP3s.
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| | | I agree! That's the funniest damn thing I've heard from these people yet! Just when I think couldn't possibly get any stupider, they prove me wrong once again!
Krazy glue is a pain to undo, but it's not impossible. And even if you couldn't get the headphones out of the jack, it seems to me all you have to do is cut the wires and splice them into another cable.
Krazy glue? LOL. Truly amazing. Their stupidity is matched only by their arrogance. | |
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| | EngMN
join:2002-07-02
Saint Paul, MN | Re: roflmao! I wonder if the Walkman has embedded DRM... | |
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