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Comcast High Speed Internet
(old news - 12:07PM Thursday Jul 05 2007)
tags: prices · cable · install · consumers · Comcast
Welcome to the Product Spotlight -- a continuing series of articles highlighting individual products commonly used by our members.

In The Spotlight: Comcast High Speed Internet broadband service
Previously:
· Verizon FiOS Spotlight
· HughesNet Satellite Spotlight
. Optimum Online Spotlight
See also: US Broadband Price Comparisons

Availability And Installation


Comcast is the largest cable company and the second largest Internet Service Provider in the United States, with services available in SC, MS, NY, VA, PA, WV, NM, NH, MA, MN, NJ, OR, WA, TN, UT, FL, CT, MD, CA, CO, MI, IN, AR, VT, GA and IL. You may check for availability in your local area here on the Comcast website.

Comcast offers professional installation and a self-install kit[FAQ] (if you are a Comcast cable customer already). You may buy your own modem, or Comcast will provide one to you, although you must add an additional $3.00/month to your bill for modem rental. Comcast notes that self-installation may not be available in all areas. Be sure to consult Comcast's List of Approved Modems to determine if the modem you wish to purchase is supported by the service. Approved Modems are modems that meet certain specifications and standards and are supported for firmware updates. Modems with similar specifications and standards that are not on the list will normally work. The only difference is that they will not receive firmware updates.

You may also want to check out this FAQ for members' opinions on the best modem and routers for use with Comcast HSI.
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The pie chart above (click to enlarge) is a recent forum survey and shows that the Motorola SB5100 appears to be the most popular modem in use by Comcast HSI customers.
*These opinions are NOT endorsed by Comcast in any way, shape or form.

Installation, both professional and self-install, seem to go smoothly in most cases, according to reviews -- although there are the occasional less-than-stellar installs[review] that occur with all services. From ordering the service to live connection averages about 5 days, but can take as long as 30 days in some instances.

Walled Gardens And Branding


Overall Comcast cable is a good product, but their fee's and charges are high considering the amount of customers they provide for. It's a monopoly. Bring more companies in and make them drop their price.
As defined by our Comcast High Speed Internet (HSI) FAQ, "A walled garden refers to a browsing environment that controls the information and websites the user is able to access. Comcast will provide the walledgarden.cfg file to your modem until the system has validated it through a process called provisioning[FAQ]. With that configuration, the system restricts your ability to access other resources. If your modem receives the 'walled garden' configuration file no matter what website you type in, the DNS server will redirect you to the Self Provisioning page."

Like many other providers, Comcast HSI uses the MAC number of the cable modem to identify the user to the system. To tell Comcast that a particular modem is for your account, the Comcast system must be told about your modem, so that the modem can be served by the cable system. The cable system will download a configuration file to your modem based on the class of service you are subscribed to. This will need to be done if you are a new customer, or if you switch to a different modem. If you have a deluxe install, the installer normally does this for you.

When using the Comcast-provided software to activate your Comcast HSI service, your browser and other programs may be "branded," meaning Comcast's logo and such will appear instead of, for example, Microsoft's logo in IE. The software also installs some other non-essential programs. Many customers do not like "branding" or anything else being installed on their computers that they do not want. There are ways to remove Comcast's branding after installation and provisioning, which are detailed in our Comcast HSI FAQ. There are also a few ways around Comcast's branding after provisioning discussed here[forum post] in our Comcast HSI forum.

It is noted in our Comcast HSI FAQ that you do not need to install Comcast's software in order to access the Internet. Comcast's service only requires that your computer's NIC adapter be configured to utilize the TCP/IP protocol, using DHCP settings. The FAQ detailing how to set up your service without using Comcast's software can be found here[FAQ]. It is noted in the FAQ that "These results may be generic in nature, or specific to a certain network such as a university, but should provide a rough guide to configuring DHCP for your machine."

Prices And Speeds


There are currently a total of seven different price/speed tiers available through Comcast, but chances are you will only have some of them available to you. Although prices are, with minor regional variances, fairly consistent across the board, available speed tiers vary depending on your area and the competition in it.

Comcast does not list all available speeds and prices on their website. However, there is an unofficial compilation[FAQ] based on information gathered in our Comcast HSI forum and various other sources of all the tiers and speeds known to be available in different areas in our Comcast HSI FAQ.

If you currently do not subscribe to any Comcast Cable TV or Comcast Digital Phone services, you will have the following options for Comcast HSI available to you:

•Economy: 384 kbps / 384 kbps : $39.95 ( not available for new subscription )
•Performance Lite: 4000 kbps / 384 kbps : $42.95
•Performance: 6000 kbps / 384 kbps : $59.95
•Performance: 6000 kbps / 768 kbps : $59.95 ( select areas )
•Performance Plus: 8000 kbps / 768 kbps : $67.95
•Blast!: 16000 kbps / 1000 kbps : $67.95 ( select areas )
•Blast!: 16000 kbps / 2000 kbps : $67.95 ( select areas )

If you currently subscribe to any Comcast Cable TV or Comcast Digital Phone services, the following HSI options are available to you:

•Economy: 384 kbps / 384 kbps : $29.95 ( not available for new subscription )
•Performance: 6000 kbps / 384 kbps : $42.95
•Performance: 6000 kbps / 768 kbps : $42.95 ( select areas )
•Performance Plus: 8000 kbps / 768 kbps : $52.95
•Blast!: 16000 kbps / 1000 kbps : $52.95 ( select areas )
•Blast!: 16000 kbps / 2000 kbps : $52.95 ( select areas )

As mentioned earlier, add $3.00 to any tier if you are renting a modem from Comcast. The cableco also offers introductory rates for triple play bundles based on local competition and additional services. Comcast will lock customers in at these rates if you sign a two-year contract[forum post]. The Blast! tier seems to be available mainly where Comcast is in competition with Verizon's FiOS service. You can see if Blast! may be available in your area by reading this thread in our Comcast HSI forum.

The PowerBoost Burst And DOCSIS 3.0


Comcast recently introduced its patent pending PowerBoost "speed enhancement"[FAQ]. PowerBoost is not a permanent speed upgrade. It is a Comcast-developed technology that leverages an additional capacity which is already built into Comcast's advanced network. PowerBoost technology delivers bursts of 12 to 16 Mbit/s downstream and 1 to 2 Mbit/s upstream with their 6 and 8 Mbit/s packages, respectively. A PowerBoost burst will normally last as long as the 10MB of a file download on Comcast's 6Mbps service and as long as 5MB of a file upload. A good discussion on PowerBoost can be found here[forum post] in our Comcast HSI forum. You can also check to see where Upload PowerBoost is available here[forum post].

Comcast PowerBoost technology is compatible with DOCSIS 1.1 cable modems and above and with Comcast certified home networking devices and Comcast voice eMTAs (combination modem and phone adapter with battery backup). If your area is PowerBoost-enabled and you cannot get the enhancement because of an older modem, Comcast will exchange your old modem for a newer one free of charge if you rent a modem from them. Customers can visit their local Comcast office or contact 1-800-COMCAST to make arrangements for their modem.

Comcast executives have also been chatting up the deployment of DOCSIS 3.0 as the solution to combat competition put forth by FiOS, creating a lot of buzz with its demonstration at the NTCA Cable Show in May of DOCSIS 3.0 with sustained downstream speeds hovering around 150Mbps, 25 times as fast as the operator’s standard 6-mbps offering today. Comcast has brushed off FiOS competition by noting Comcast's upgrade path will be significantly cheaper than the rollout of FiOS. The cableco hasn’t specified where or when it expects to first deploy DOCSIS 3.0, but company executives have said they plan to initiate trials later this year when equipment vendors deliver the first products built to the standard. Commercial rollouts could happen in 2008. Whether DOCSIS 3.0 will keep Comcast and cable in general competitive with the telcos remains to be seen. Recently, at least one reporter, testing Comcast's service against AT&T's U-Verse, picked Comcast's service as superior.

Have You Tried Power Cycling Your Modem, Sir?


Navigating their tech support tree is extremely frustrating, I couldn't believe it at first. After thinking about this for a long time, my only conclusion is that they've designed it that way purposely..
Although it is granted that customer service and tech support is always somewhat hit or miss with many providers, there seems to be more than the average amount of negative comments about Comcast's customer service and tech support. Many comments in our Comcast HSI reviews read something along these lines:

"In March I began experiencing dreadful download speeds in the evening (averaging around .5 Mb/s from 7PM to Midnight) and have been getting the go-around with Comcast ever since. Customer support is either untrained/unknowledgeable or could care less (I prefer to lean towards untrained/unknowledgeable) and getting tech support on site during the times I have issues is like pulling teeth with a hammer."

Navigating their tech support tree is extremely frustrating, I couldn't believe it at first. After thinking about this for a long time, my only conclusion is that they've designed it that way purposely. This is a multi-billion dollar corporation, I cannot believe that everything they do isn't purposely designed. So be prepared to be extremely frustrated (mad as hell) if you have to deal with tech support."

Comcast also has the dubious honor of becoming, perhaps, the posterchild for bad and/or uncaring customer service and tech support due to some now infamous footage shot by a Comcast customer of a field tech who decided to take a snooze while changing out a modem.

Terms Of Service


Comcast HSI's Terms of Service (ToS) and Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) are pretty much standard for the industry. You cannot run a server on any Comcast residential account for the purpose of external usage. This includes FTP, HTTP, POP3/SMTP, telnet or any other service that users can access via the Internet. Comcast used to disallow VPN through its residential services, but recently changed this policy and now allows all tiers to use VPN.
Most frustrating of all - and the reason for my anger with this company - is their ambiguous limitations. They say that if I use "too much" bandwidth again, they will terminate me for a year. However, they will not tell me how much is "too much". They will not tell me how much I need to reduce my usage by. They simply say "you are using too much".

It is of interest to note a part of Comcast's AUP that states:

"Comcast may provide versions of the Service with different speeds and bandwidth usage limitations, among other characteristics, subject to applicable Service plans. You shall ensure that your use of the Service does not restrict, inhibit, interfere with, or degrade any other user's use of the Service, nor represent (in the sole judgment of Comcast) an overly large burden on the network. In addition, you shall ensure that your use of the Service does not restrict, inhibit, interfere with, disrupt, degrade, or impede Comcast's ability to deliver and provide the Service and monitor the Service, backbone, network nodes, and/or other network services.

You further agree to comply with all Comcast network, bandwidth, and data storage and usage limitations. You shall ensure that your bandwidth consumption using the Service does not exceed the limitations that are now in effect or may be established in the future. If your use of the Service results in the consumption of bandwidth in excess of the applicable limitations, that is a violation of this Policy. In such cases, Comcast may, in its sole discretion, terminate or suspend your Service account or request that you subscribe to a version of the Service with higher bandwidth usage limitations if you wish to continue to use the Service at higher bandwidth consumption levels."


In other words, if you use (in Comcast's opinion) too much bandwidth, your service may be suspended or terminated at Comcast's discretion. However, Comcast never reveals just what it considers 'too much'. It has been noted[FAQ] in our Comcast HSI FAQ that Comcast does enforce this rather vague policy, and will not hesitate to send letters or contact customers threatening termination of service[review]:

"The biggest gripe I have with them is that I have the more expensive 8mbps/768kbps (versus the slightly cheaper 6mbps/376kbps), but after two years of service here they recently contacted me to say I was using too much bandwidth and would be terminated for an entire year if it happened again.

Most frustrating of all - and the reason for my anger with this company - is their ambiguous limitations. They say that if I use "too much" bandwidth again, they will terminate me for a year. However, they will not tell me how much is "too much". They will not tell me how much I need to reduce my usage by. They simply say "you are using too much."


The Bottom Line


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So how does Comcast HSI measure up? According to over 4,000 reviews of the service left here, the majority of customers are satisfied with Comcast's broadband service. Our statistics indicate customer satisfaction has hovered at around 70% over three years[review], resulting in a Bronze Star Rating[FAQ], as indicated by the graph pictured on the left (click to enlarge).

Comcast HSI's service is decent when it is running properly. Like most large cable providers, it does suffer some reliability and connectivity issues in some areas due to overloaded and oversold nodes resulting in slowdowns during peak usage hours. Several reviews also note some strange routing[review] that results in sometimes high latency.

Where Comcast HSI really loses out is in its pricing. Besides deficient tech support, many reviews cite Comcast's prices vs. speeds[review] (and the fact that Comcast HSI is usually the only game in town for fast Internet) as their biggest gripe. Our ratings chart plays this out. Even though Comcast is trying to compete with its Blast! offering and PowerBoost technology while chatting up a DOCSIS 3.0 future, Verizon FiOS is the better deal right now if it is available in your area. Verizon's middle speed offering and best deal offers 15Mbps download/2Mbps upload for $57.99 a month vs. Comcast's average offering of 6000 - 8000 Kbps download/384 - 768 Kbps upload for $59.95 - $67.95. Verizon's middle package is still a better deal than even Blast! (if it is offered in your area), which gives you 16000Kbps download/1000 - 2000Kbps upload for $67.95.

The bottom line is that Comcast HSI (when working properly) is a decent but somewhat pricey service that needs to rethink its broadband offerings, both speed and price-wise, if it is to remain competitive with the telcos in the future.


Resources


Our Resources
· Comcast HSI FAQ
· Comcast HSI Forum
· Comcast HSI Recent Reviews
. Provider Ratings Chart
Other Resources
· Comcast HSI Home Page
. CableLabs DOCSIS Specifications

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JL

@comcast.net

Good extras too

The Internet service is fast and it comes with a bunch of great extras. I was going to renew my Symantec anti-virus and found that you get McAfee for free, which saved me probably $30 or so this year.

And I use OE to POP my email and just downloaded this free Cloudmark anti-spam / anti-phishing plug-in for free -- this does not look like a standing offer as with McAfee - just some kind of limited time free deal which helps cut down on the spam I still get in my Comcast email account »www.cloudmark.com/comcast/. I became a POP user though because I just could not tolerate their webmail interface - bad stuff - which needs an overhaul.

My Vonage service has worked fine over it but the quality seems to be declining, and I have heard similar complaints from other users. May switch to SunRocket or maybe try Comcast VoIP since I may save some money on cable TV with their triple play special prices.
NormanS
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San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC

Re: Good extras too

said by JL :

The Internet service is fast and it comes with a bunch of great extras. I was going to renew my Symantec anti-virus and found that you get McAfee for free, which saved me probably $30 or so this year.
I wouldn't touch McAfee with Symantec's barge pole. I use Avil's "Avast"; and have set up friends with Grisoft's "AVG". Both are free, and you can use them with any ISP.
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My experience

@comcast.net


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LiamJunket See Profile

As an actual Comcast customer

I would have to disagree with a few points made in the above spotlight.

For starters, it lists the tiers above as generally being 6000/384k or 8000/768k.
Recently, it appears that my tier here in Ct. has gone to about 6000/440k.

The upper limits of powerboost is also not 12Mb as described in the story, I regularly see 20Mb or even a bit more at times.
UL powerboost is also being rolled out in the state now as I write this, with several areas now beginning to report having it, and receiving UL PB speeds of up to 2Mb ul speeds as well.

The article above also incorrectly states the price at the end of the article.
Service with cable is generally priced at 42.95 for the 6Mb tier, and 52.95 for the 8Mb tier. Not the price as quoted when compared to Verizon fios at the end of the article.

My experience with customer service and tech support has overall, been favorable. While perhaps there could be some more training of the personnel at level 1, they are quick to try and help and even in one case, sent out a tech here when I didn't even ask for it, or know it was going to happen.
After phoning in an issue, I was surprised to receive a phone call from a Comcast worker who said he was outside on my street looking into things for me. I call that real service.

While some say that cable HSI service is expensive compared to telco's offerings..I overall have to disagree with that.
I think you get what you pay for.
The telco's create this "low priced" appearance by pricing their "specials" at 15~20.00. What people forget is it's just that..a special..and often times doesn't even come with in 25% of delivering the kinds of speeds that comcast does.
I don't know about anyone else, but when I get more, I'm willing to pay more.
Also, one must price in the cost of a landline that many cable customers now don't even want or use.
Is telco really cheaper considering all that? I sure don't think so.

I'd also like to close by saying that Comcast is CONTINUALLY giving we customers more for the money. Powerboost download speeds..no cost upgrade. Powerboost upload increases..no price increase. My recent speed increase on the ul side to about 440k..no cost.
They give us the full mcafee suite..free. And, what i think anyway..is a very good comcast.net portal that is the FIRST ISP page that I've ever actually decided to make my homepage. ..because it's a good one.

I would also note that all the above comes to me and others with NO COMPETITION around. Comcast, just has decided to do it all for us..to deliver what I think is a great internet experience.

Am I a Comcast "fanboy". I guess I am. But what I am really is a very satisfied customer.

And that says a lot about this company.

Mactron
Happy 4th
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CM94sv


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Pretty good...

Pretty good and accurate Product Spotlight overall.
Only picky point would be the HSI pricing for Non-current customers. It's ~$10-15 more ($57.95) here at *my* Comcast franchise.
Other than that, well done.
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If only the Verizon CSRs worked this well.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME


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Re: Pretty good...

That's what it was here too (before they sold to TWC).

Their pricing (even with TV) was a little on the steep side.
I'd take a 3Mbps connection for say $35 vs. a 6Mbps for $45 (note: their pricing doesn't include the modem rental fee).
The 384kbps 'economy' is a slap.
TV was some of the most expensive as well. It was $50.40 for analog, and $60.10 for the cheapest digital package (1 set), not including rental fees or programming charges, or installation (required).

Sterling
IP Support Tier III
Premium
join:2003-05-30
Pittsburgh, PA

Re: Pretty good...

Just to clear things up a little, your area wasn't sold to Time warner. What happened is that Comcast and TW entered into an joint agreement to acquire Adelphia's assets, part of that agreement included the trading of cable systems and call centers(I believe, at the least buildings and personnel were traded) in order to have areas closer to regional areas, for example comcast took over the adelphia area in Pittsburgh because it was part of the three rivers region.
mglunt

join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA

I agree. The amounts for Internet only customers are way off.

The performance lite package is $57.95 without TV service from Comcast. I just called a couple weeks ago.

swintec
Premium
join:2003-12-19
Alfred, ME

Way to...

Way to leave Maine out of the mix when it comes to listing the states where Comcast is available.
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agrall

join:2000-09-29
Tucson, AZ

AZ too

Arizona too - they are in Tucson.

halfband
Premium
join:2002-06-01
Huntsville, AL

Re: AZ too

And chunks of Alabama
Slow56kDeath

join:2006-07-12
Pegram, TN

ComCast is full of it

Heh...I spoke with Comcast Engineering on Tuesday July 3.

For the 4th year in a row, they have told me their budget does not provide for upgrading my cable system in my area.

It only can get 45 channels, and no HSI. They bought the system in 2001, but refuse to upgrade anything.
It was built in 1979.

Someone ought to sue them for false advertising, as I constantly see on TV ads that claim for $99 I can get HSI, Digital Cable, and VOIP, yet in reality I can get none of them.

Sorry bastids.

Mactron
Happy 4th
Premium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv

Re: ComCast is full of it

said by Slow56kDeath See Profile :

It only can get 45 channels, and no HSI. They bought the system in 2001, but refuse to upgrade anything.
It was built in 1979.
All Comcast franchises are not equal. Mine just installed and offered HSI ~1-2 years ago after promising it years and years.
Funny they had the $ for new head end facility and new line Amps when they went "Digital" on the old 40 channel analog system here 6-8 years ago. They really dragged their feet on HSI. If your franchise follows mines pattern, I think you have a long wait.

Sorry
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johndoe303

join:2003-01-01
Boca Raton, FL
·Sprint Mobile Broa..

Comcrap is Craptastic.

The title says it all, read the reviews over the last few months.. The ratio of unhappy to happy customers is about 5:1. I'm not even going to get into the usual discussion, we all know who they are, and what little they provide.
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
Premium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN

UL

All i know is im getting sick of their slow ass upload speed, Powerboost speeds are useless.

ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA


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As a former customer, Comcast is teh suk

I would say in my area Comcast was HORRIBLE. Here their service was more than abysmal. 500ms latency and evening slowdowns to 400kbps were the norm along with the 30% "how dare you not have CATV" penalties they levied on me after they bought out ATTB. And when the service actually was half way decent there were the nastygrams for excessive use. I was told I was abusing the service yet they wouldn't define what constituted abuse. You all know the Comcast phantom cap drill. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with their TOS/AUP which stated that they get to define what constitutes abuse...but how about passing on that little bit of info so I know what to do? Jerks.

Oh well, thankfully Comcast recently traded our local cable system to Time Warner and overnight my bill dropped 33%. In addition, over the following few months speeds quadrupled to a rock solid 15000/2000 10ms and despite downloading many hundreds of gigabytes per month and hosting a server I never hear a peep from Time Warner. I'm also unaware of anyone being cancelled for excessive use on Roadrunner.

Good riddance to the jerkoffs at Comcast. Brian Roberts' low mileage leased BMW was a broken down pile of crap; a lemon's lemon.

Before ANYONE considers Comcast they should ignore all the reviews here as one area may be decent and the next (like mine) suck royal. Talk to your neighbors and see how they like their service. It may be okay so long as you don't actually use it.
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slovokia

join:2005-01-31
Belmont, CA

Hidden traffic limits placed on P2P activity

Another thing your review might have mentioned is that Comcast actively interferes with P2P activity on its network. It prevents bittorrent users from acting as seeders for example. It does this silently without any explicit announced well defined policies. This is not just a matter of de-prioritizing P2P TCP packets in their network. It involves injecting TCP packets that shut down the P2P TCP connections - a man in the middle attack on P2P traffic.

I don't think this is reasonable.

Gragnor

@pacbell.net

Re: Hidden traffic limits placed on P2P activity

I work for a Comcast contractor in tech support and never heard anything about it. I also get my internet service from my neighbor who uses Comcast. (I don't get free internet from the Co.) I use his wireless signal (with his knowledge).

I understand a lot of torrent trackers block the default port (6669?) that bit torrent runs on because some ISPs do block that port, and most law enforcement/traffic monitoring by software license compliance companies still use those ports. (Cause they're always behind the curve.)

If you change your port and either manually forward ports to your PC, or use UPnP or zeroconf (for airport users) on your router along with a UPnP/zeroconf compatible client you should have no problems. I don't have any problems.

Is there any chance you're using a router without any type of port forwarding? Bit torrent has a heck of a time working behind NAT without it.
slovokia

join:2005-01-31
Belmont, CA

Re: Hidden traffic limits placed on P2P activity


I understand a lot of torrent trackers block the default port (6669?) that bit torrent runs on because some ISPs do block that port, and most law enforcement/traffic monitoring by software license compliance companies still use those ports. (Cause they're always behind the curve.)


What I describe is not altered by changing the port used.


If you change your port and either manually forward ports to your PC, or use UPnP or zeroconf (for airport users) on your router along with a UPnP/zeroconf compatible client you should have no problems. I don't have any problems.


You may not have problems because Comcast may not be regulating P2P at your node [yet]. Many other folks report problems like those I have decribed.


Is there any chance you're using a router without any type of port forwarding? Bit torrent has a heck of a time working behind NAT without it.


Other bittorrent clients have no problem connecting to my client. I am not using a router. The issue is that Comcast is forcibly closing P2P connections.

I don't think you fully understand what I described or what is going on. - perhaps you should reread about it at these links:

»[Connectivity] Comcast appears to be limiting bittorrent seeding
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