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Who is King of EV-DO?
(old news - 03:02PM Thursday Oct 18 2007)
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Welcome to the Product Spotlight -- a continuing series of articles highlighting individual products commonly used by our members.

In The Spotlight: EV-DO: Sprint Mobile Broadband vs. Verizon BroadbandAccess
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Two of the big names when it comes to EV-DO service, specifically the EV-DO Rev. 0 and Rev. A variants, are Sprint with its Mobile Broadband and Verizon's BroadbandAccess service. In this Product Spotlight we will take a look at the two telco giants' EV-DO plans and service, and compare them head to head.

We won't be delving into the technical aspects of EV-DO, but instead concentrating primarily on comparing the services head to head. First, a little background info on EV-DO is warranted.

Evolution-Data Optimized or Evolution-Data Only (abbreviated as EV-DO, EVDO, or EV) is a part of the CDMA2000 family of telecommunications standards for the wireless transmission of data, typically for broadband Internet access. It employs multiplexing techniques such as CDMA (Code Division Multiple Access) as well as Frequency Division Duplex (FDD) to maximize the amount of data transmitted.

The technology has been adopted by many mobile phone service providers around the world –- particularly those previously employing CDMA networks, as opposed to GSM networks. The EV-DO feature of CDMA2000 networks provides mobile devices with speeds of up to 2.4 Mbit/s with EV-DO Rev. 0 and up to 3.1 Mbit/s with EV-DO Rev. A. There is a Rev. B variant that is seeing some renewed interest of late, but it is more likely to be used for incremental improvements, rather than as a basis for strategic, next-generation services.

Availability - Verizon And Sprint


EV-DO Rev.'s 0 & A are an evolution of 1xRTT technology, which has a maximum speed of 144 kbps, but real world speeds are closer to 60 - 80 kbps. Both Verizon and Sprint have been offering 1xRTT for quite some time, and the service is considerably widespread. Therefore, if you are not in an area serviced by EV-DO, chances are you are relegated to the older, slower 1xRTT service.

Unlike other "1x" standards, EV-DO only addresses data -- not voice. It requires a dedicated slice of spectrum, separate from voice networks using standards such as 1xRTT. EV-DO provides data rates over 10 times faster than 1xRTT. Although EV-DO does not include voice capability natively, Rev. A is fast enough to support VoIP technology at service levels equal or better to 1xRTT voice technology.

While 1xRTT service is fairly widespread at this point, EV-DO is still being heavily deployed by both Sprint and Verizon, and it is now possible to get EV-DO service from both telcos in most major cities and surrounding areas as they constantly upgrade service areas from 1xRTT to EV-DO Rev. 0 and Rev. A capability. To see if EV-DO is available in your area, you can check out coverage maps from Sprint serviced areas here, or Verizon serviced areas here.

Both companies warn that coverage maps only give a general idea and are not entirely accurate, although Sprint's coverage locator tool must be mentioned as the better of the two. You can check coverage right down to street level, and even see where future towers are planned. To be sure, though, it's best to talk to a representative at your local Verizon or Sprint vendor. Another good place to check for EV-DO coverage can be found here.

Plans, Hardware, Installation, And Reliability - Verizon



Broadband Access is a very good choice for those than travel and need access from remote locations or don't want to connect thru a WiFi hotspot of unknown security.

Verizon's BroadbandAccess plan can be used as an add-on with a qualifying VerizonWireless voice plan at $59.99/month with a 1- or 2-year contract. However, if you use the service without a voice plan, it will cost you a hefty $79.99/month. There are taxes and fees that apply to your usage. According to the calling plan information, they are:

• Activation Fee/line: $35, except $25 for $59.99 BroadbandAccess Plan
• Early Termination Fee: Up to $175 per line.
• Tolls, taxes, surcharges and other fees, such as E911 and gross receipt charges, vary by market and as of July 1, 2007, add between 4% and 34% to your monthly bill in addition to your monthly access fees and airtime charges.
• Monthly Federal Universal Service Charge on interstate & international telecom charges (varies quarterly based on FCC rate) is 11% per line.
• Monthly Regulatory Charge (subject to change) is 4¢ per line.
• Monthly Administrative Charge (subject to change) is 70¢ per line.
• The Federal Universal Service, Regulatory and Administrative Charges are Verizon Wireless charges, not taxes. For more details on these charges, call 1–888–684–1888.

Note that in the Terms of Service (ToS), Verizon says the service does not have a monthly MB allowance or pay-as-you-go billing. However, they do place restrictions on the service:
Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, GlobalAccess and certain VZEmail services that do not include a specific monthly MB allowance or are not billed on a pay-as-you-go basis) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). These Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading, or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing; or (iii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. This means, by way of example only, that checking email, surfing the Internet, downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file-sharing services and/or redirecting television programming content for viewing on laptops is prohibited. A person engaged in prohibited uses continuously for one hour could typically use 100 to 200 MB, or, if engaged in prohibited uses for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, could use more than 5 GB in a month.
The Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) also states they do "periodically" monitor the service:
Verizon Wireless is under no obligation to monitor your usage, bandwidth, transmissions and content of this Service. However, anyone using this Service agrees that Verizon Wireless may monitor the usage, bandwidth, transmissions and content of the Service periodically to (1) comply with any necessary laws, regulations or other governmental requests; (2) to operate the Service properly or to protect itself, its network and its users. Verizon Wireless reserves the right to modify, reject or eliminate any information residing on or transmitted to its server that it, in its sole discretion, believes is unacceptable or in violation of these terms and conditions.
These policies are apparently carried out on a regular basis, as evidenced in this review:
I used to pcmcia adapter for one of my desktop comps and shared to other comps with MS ICS and a router with DHCP turned off. it wasn't good for gaming at all. Verizon only had the slower speeds in my area but as soon as they upgraded the tower (which i can see from my house) my speeds were doubled and then some. I went nuts and tried to [download] everything under the sun. Verizon didn't like this and there you have it. Coolest thing about the whole deal: They shut me off with out having to pay the cancellation fee. I'd recommend doing this so you can get out of your service if you need to.
Verizon claims average download speeds of 600 Kbps – 1.4 Mbps and average upload speeds of 500 Kbps – 800 Kbps for the service. Most reviews give speeds within this range, unless they run into an area with 1xRTT service (no EV-DO available). It should be mentioned, however, that it is possible for cell towers to become overloaded, particularly during prime time, resulting in higher latency and a drop in speeds -- sometimes significant.

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You may connect to the service in a variety of ways -- tethering your phone (providing it works with EV-DO service and you have a qualifying plan), using a card for your laptop or a USB modem. It is possible to network your house using a 3G router such as the Linksys WRT54G3G-ST, Kyocera KR-1 or D-Link DIR-450. Or you can use a card in one of your PCs and use a regular wireless router or ICS.

Though you can get a good price on a card or modem if you buy a bundle plan (some even give you a free card), the standalone price of the cards and modems can be hefty, and some reviewers suggest grabbing a card or modem off of eBay to cut the cost a bit. A great place to read up on the various methods of connecting, and the hardware itself, can be found here.

According to some reviews, using a USB modem will give you better speeds:
The upside is the USB model is actually a bit faster than the PC card version... they even mention this on the website. I can't say how much faster just yet, but it IS faster. The downside of the USB model is it's kinda big. It comes with an extension USB cable that happens to be a Y- cable. The reason for this is by using two USB ports, the modem gets an extra amp of power for connecting in fringe areas. I'm guessing that the PC Card models already had full power from that slot, and this was the workaround for USB's limitations.
This review provides an excellent example of what you can expect overall from the service -- speeds, cost and latency (USB modem used).

Speeds are sitting around 1.3 to 1.5 Mbps d/l and about 800k upload. Nice so far. Order at store, painless. Install, simple. Use, easy. Using a 5750 OC card, pop it in and off you go. No issues so far.
By most accounts, set-up is usually very easy both for PC card and USB modem. Of course, there is the occasional exception.

Most reviews also cite the reliability of the service, both as a primary access in case of unavailability of a better option (ie. only dial-up or satellite available) and as a back-up service. However, Verizon's EV-DO is cited most in reviews for people who travel a lot for business purposes (also, to a lesser extent, casual travelers who want easy Internet access on the road).

The biggest downside are the speeds, the "unlimited" limitations and the price -- especially if you go without voice. Another downside is the inherent latency which can prevent proper use of VoIP. It also makes gaming tough in some cases -- though this problem does improve somewhat with EV-DO Rev. A (as opposed to Rev. 0 service). It is recommended that you get the voice/data bundle if possible if you want the service.

Surprisingly, there seems to be very little complaint about tech and customer service in the reviews left here on Broadbandreports.com. Perhaps that is due to ease of use, as it is pretty much plug and go once your service is activated.

Plans, Hardware, Installation, And Reliability - Sprint



Next, we'll explore Sprint's EV-DO plans and service.
I have done a lot of research before making my choice to select Sprint, but in many aspects it was a very good decision. If you are going to use the data in an "Rev. A" coverage area, you will be greatly surprised on how well the network performs.

As mentioned above, you may check availability (or future availability) using Sprint's excellent service locator tool. By many accounts, Sprint's network coverage is much better than Verizon's. Installation seems to be relatively painless, with most reporting order-to-live times of one day.

Sprint Mobile Broadband comes in two (official) flavors: a $39.99 plan with a 40MB monthly usage limit and a $59.99 unlimited plan. Both require a two-year contract, no exceptions. With such a commitment, it is advisable to make sure you truly need/want the service.

The good news is that you do have a 30-day trial period, during which time, if you are not satisfied with the service, you may return your equipment without paying the termination fee (up to $200 for each line/number terminated early). You will be billed for access and airtime charges accrued on your account through the deactivation date. There is a fee of up to $36 for new activations, certain service plan changes or upgrades of phones or devices. However, it looks like if you order online the activation fee is waived, and you get free shipping.

There is a semi-secret third option and an unofficial fourth option: the Sprint SERO plan and ordering service through Millenicom.com.

Sprint SERO is the semi-secret Sprint Employee Referral Offer. It is a special store where you can get discounts and special offers on plans, hardware and accessories -- if you know the magic password (wink wink) to get into the store. Relevant to this article, you can find the unlimited EV-DO plan at $49.99 (as opposed to the regular $59.99) plus the discounted prices on PC cards or modems, such as the S720 (arguably the best EVDO Revision A card currently available PCMCIA wise) for $100. A nice deal.

Millenicom.com is a Sprint EV-DO reseller. You can get Sprint EV-DO service for $49.99 a month with no fees, taxes or contracts if you are in an area they service. You can also get a PX-500 for free or Novatel U720 for $49.99, which is also a good deal if you qualify.

As with Verizon, taxes and fees do apply (excepting the Millenicom deal):
Rates exclude taxes, and Sprint Fees such as a USF charge, cost recovery fees, and state/local fees that vary by area (e.g., in some areas up to 16% but in most areas less than 3%). In certain areas, a $1.99 per month infrastructure fee will apply per account. Sprint Fees are not taxes or government required charges.
Again, there are several ways of connecting to Sprint Mobile Broadband -- via phone-as-modem, PC card and wireless modem. You can find lots of good information on the different types of hardware here. Also, as mentioned above with Verizon, it is possible to network your house using a 3G router such as the ones mentioned above (Linksys WRT54G3G-ST, Kyocera KR-1 or D-Link DIR-450), or using the wireless router behind a PC with a card or ICS method.

Unlike Verizon, there appears to be no real restrictions on usage. It also appears gaming and Skype-type software is possible, and can be used without too much trouble. Several reviews refer to these conditions:
Verizon has advertised "unlimited data" for their EVDO, yet terminated many customers for going over some imaginary "abuse" bandwidth limit. On top of this they charged those customers they terminated the "early termination fee." I've watched HOURS and HOURS of my Tivo via Slingbox and EVDO with Sprint and have yet to ever get any such letter - nor have I heard of anyone else being terminated from Sprint for such things.
I DL around 50 gigs a month (did it with my Alltel also) with my sprint EVDO and sprint does not care at all. They truly sell "unlimited gigs" with no fine print. I recommend the service with no reservations at all.
Latency is very low and I now play WoW exclusively on this connection with little or no lag or any noticeable packetloss.
I've tried CSS and Battlefield 2, both are very much playable.
Sprint service is amazing and Skype even works well over it.
Speeds are, for the most part, reported to be as promised, and most reviewers report being very satisfied with the speeds they receive. Again, your speeds will likely vary during the day depending on the number of people using your tower and whether you're getting Rev. A or Rev.0 (or 1xRTT) signal.

While the service itself seems to be very good, the only real knock on Sprint Mobile Broadband, according to reviews, is in the customer service area, specifically billing and account set-up.

The glitches in the sales and billing departments are evidenced in this review:
The sales department was the worse Ive ever seen. Made promises of $50 off my next bill and $50 rebate plus with a new 2 yr contract (as my contract with my cell phones expired a couple years ago) I was suppose to get 15 to 20% off my entire cell/broadband bill monthly for 24 months and FREE shipping.. That never happened. Only a $25 credit on my bill, no discount and DID charge me $11 shipping. Needless to say, I called Sprint with all these issues, Was told by customer care that everything the telesales department told me, she could not find anywhere in the notes or in promotions they have right now. BUYER BEWARE: Check your Sprint Bill
This review echoes the sentiment of problems with billing, despite the satisfactory performance of the service itself:
While the service is amazing (voice and data) I've not had one correct bill since Ive been with them. They kept shutting off my service even though I had spoken to about 4 different reps who assured me my problem was fixed and my service would not be interrupted, but almost every day I have to call and have it restored and tell them I already have payment arrangements setup. I must say Sprint is amazing but their billing department is atrocious.
The problems with tech support seem to have the same hit or miss average as many other ISPs.

Another item that makes Sprint's service a bit more enticing is the prospect of faster speeds. Sprint and Clearwire Wireless announced a partnership a little while ago to spend about $5 billion building out a WiMax service dubbed "Xohm." Sprint demonstrated the service for a select company in Chicago last month. The demonstration offered attendees 2425Kbps/1474Kbps speeds with a 99ms ping while journalists and execs were in motion (the presentation was a river cruise) and 3229Kbps/1500Kbps up with a 70ms ping while docked.

Unlike 3G wireless services, which are targeted at mobile users needing a quick broadband fix, Sprint plans to take on the DSL/cable duopoly with Xohm. Sprint execs have stated that the price tag will be somewhere around $50/month. Sprint says the company won't force customers of their Xohm WiMax service to sign contracts in order to subsidize the cost of hardware.

In other words, you will be paying full price for your WiMax cards, but you won't be locked into long-term deals. That means the company won't have early termination fees, either. Xohm was originally scheduled to launch in Chicago, Washington, DC and Baltimore by the end of 2007, but availability has now been pushed back to March or April 2008. A nationwide rollout will follow, with the service available in major US markets by the end of 2008.

However, although the launch is officially still on the record as a go, the venture has been rocked by the recent departure of Sprint CEO Gary Forsee. The departure has set off a growing controversy not only for the company, with some analysts now calling the WiMax venture "an unnecessary and dangerous diversion for the company" with speculation that investors will call on the new CEO to put the brakes on the project, but for the case of deploying WiMax in general.

If Sprint and Clearwire can get Xohm off the ground, it would provide an excellent competitor to available services, and an absolute boon to those with few high speed Internet alternatives. This is something to keep a close eye on as the story develops.

EV-DO Tips And Tweaks


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Before we get to the summary and results of this service comparison, it is worth going over some recommended EV-DO tips and tweaks that may help you receive the best performance from your respective service.

First up is a very simple tip: placement. As with other wireless services, you may have to fiddle with the placement of your modem/card/router to get the best possible signal if you are using EV-DO to connect at your residence. This is where having a 3G router comes in very handy, as you can set the router in the area where you get the strongest signal (like a window facing the tower, etc.).

There are also various tweaks you can make to your router and software to help boost your speeds. This post in our Sprint Mobile Broadband Forum gives several great tips on tweaks you can perform to your setup. Another long but worthwhile read on various tweaks can be found here at the EVDOForums.com website.

Also worth noting is that there are many choices in hardware (antennas, etc.) that can boost reception and give you more satisfactory performance from your service, although these can get to be pretty expensive. There is a good piece found here that discusses the pros and cons of using outdoor antennas to increase signal, which kind of antenna is best for a given situation and whether or not a signal amplifier is needed. This quote from the piece sums up the use of antennas nicely:
Not everyone needs an external antenna for their EVDO device, especially if the use location provides good signal levels and good speeds without an added antenna. Don't waste your money. On the other end of the spectrum, antennas won't make signal 'magically appear' where non exists. But they can increase signal.

Often it's more about location: put the antenna where there is more signal, and hey, lookit THAT... you have MORE signal. ;] Just like how a mobile phone can work in some parts of a building and not in others, where you locate your EVDO modem w/built-in antenna or where you locate the antenna matters.

Another good place to read some tips on EV-DO equipment can be found here.

You can check out some home-brew wireless antenna setups (with pics) right here on BBR in this thread from our Sprint Mobile Broadband Forum. There are some pretty creative DIY antenna ideas you can employ that might save you from having to shell out some hefty bucks for a commercial antenna. A post in the thread points to this site, which tells you how to make your own DIY "cantenna" on the cheap. You can also use an old satellite dish to help improve reception.

The Bottom Line - Verizon BroadbandAccess


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The bottom line for Verizon BroadbandAccess is that, according to reviews, the service itself is really not that bad (only 5 negative reviews out of 36 total and a 69% satisfaction rating). However, the high price of non-bundled service (and the limitations placed upon it) pretty much relegate it primarily to business class consumers in the field who have Verizon voice service and want high speed access for basic surfing and e-mail while traveling.

As a backup service, it's worth it only if you have a qualifying $59.99 plan (and still a hefty price to pay for a backup service). It's also a desperate option for those who have no other high speed Internet choice. Users should note that because of the limitations, it's really not much better than satellite service.

I'd give it 3.5 bars out of 5 for traveling or in-the-field business users who have voice bundled, and 2 bars out of 5 for those who, unfortunately, must use Verizon EV-DO as their primary means of access (again mainly due to the limitations placed on you by Verizon). I give it 1 bar out of 5 if, for some ungodly reason, you use the service without a qualifying voice plan -- $79.99 is just a ridiculous price to pay for the speeds, availability, reliability and limitations Verizon imposes -- Rev. A or not.

The Bottom Line - Sprint Mobile Broadband


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The bottom line is that Sprint Mobile Broadband has an awful lot of advantages when compared to Verizon BroadbandAccess. Reviews for the service are very good - only 7 negatives out of 106, with a 76% satisfaction rating, garnering a BBR Silver Star Award. Prices, while still on the expensive side for the speeds, are definitely more favorable than Verizon. You can get a data plan for the same prices you can get a voice/data bundle -- making the service an attractive alternative as a primary means of access for those with little high speed Internet service choice. It also can be up to $30 a month cheaper than data-only service from Verizon.

The second big advantage for Sprint Mobile Broadband is the truly unlimited nature of the service. You can game, stream and Skype all you like (if your signal is good enough) and Sprint apparently won't go after you. That said, bandwidth hogging might be a problem in some areas and lower your speed/affect latency during prime time. Another advantage for Sprint is that it is more tweakable than Verizon's service (though that is being worked on). Sprint seems to have more reliable service and also better coverage due to roaming agreements with other providers like Alltel.

Last but not least is the intriguing possibility (and potential) of Sprint's Xohm WiMax service. If Sprint rides out the waves caused by the departure of CEO Gary Forsee and gets Xohm off the ground, they will have a true wireless broadband alternative geared towards consumers, not just business users. As it is, Sprint Mobile Broadband gets 4 out of 5 bars for business users and for consumers who have to use the service as a primary means of access if there is no other choice besides dial-up/satellite or who want portable, unlimited service with close to true broadband speeds.

So Who Is The EV-DO King?


If you've been paying any kind of attention to this comparison of the EV-DO big shots, then you will have already come to the conclusion that it's not even close. Just in case you missed it, here's a short list of the main points:

Price:
Verizon: $59.99 with a voice plan, but $79.99 without one. One- or two-year contract required.
Sprint: $59.99 with no need for a voice plan; $49.99 with Sprint SERO or through Millenicom.com. Two-year contract required if ordered through Sprint proper; no contract through Millenicom.com.

Limitations (or lack there-of):
Verizon claims unlimited usage, but in reality slaps you with a 5GB per month cap, plus prohibits use of the service for anything but basic surfing and e-mail, and will terminate your service if you violate their unlimited limitation caps. On the other hand, Sprint truly has no usage limitations, as attested to by many reviews.

Coverage:
By most accounts, Sprint's EV-DO coverage is much better than Verizon's.

Speeds:
This one is actually pretty close. However, Sprint's speeds are by most accounts more reliable with better latency. Gaming and streaming is very possible on Sprint's network, while if you do manage to game or stream on Verizon, they might boot you for doing so.

Tweakability:
When you get a card from Verizon, there's not really a whole lot you can do to it. Most of the tweaks will have to be done on your computer (TCP receive window, TCP send window, MTU, etc). This, of course, will boost performance. However, you can't customize your Home Address (term used in the cellphone industry that refers to where your call/data pass through) like you can with Sprint, and you cannot lock your card to 1xRTT only or EV-DO only as you can with Sprint.

Potential:
Although troubled at the moment, the possibility of Xohm, Sprint's WiMax service, would raise the speed bar at the right price (estimated to be around $50 a month), plus no contract -- making it a true alternative for primary residential access. Verizon has no such plans to improve the service -- just expand what they have already while keeping the limitations and higher price.

It must be taken into account that EV-DO mobile broadband, for now, is best used for business/business travel or for those who are on the road frequently. Both Verizon users and Sprint users agree that EV-DO should be used as a primary residential service only if no better option, such as cable or DSL is available, unless, as mentioned before, you want portable broadband with close-to-true broadband speeds. Sprint, with its cheaper and unlimited service, is the obvious choice for this function.

Despite the glitches in billing, Sprint Mobile Broadband wins this head-to-head EV-DO service comparison hands down and running away.

Resources


Our Resources
· Wireless ISP Users Forum
. Sprint Mobile Broadband Forum
. Verizon BroadbandAccess User Reviews
· Sprint Mobile Broadband User Reviews
. EV-DO Tweaks and Tuning Thread
. Provider Ratings Chart

Other Resources
· VerizonWireless Home Page
. Sprint Home Page
. PhoneScoop.com Glossary
. EVDOForums.com
. EVDOInfo.com
. EVDOMaps.com

* Special thanks to BBR member Fox McCloud

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en102
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Don't know... I uise

UMTS/HSDPA (Samsung ZX-20 / 3G) and iDEN data (Blackberry 7100i).

If I needed it today, I'd probably pick Sprint over Verizon Wireless, due to my past history with Verizon (had to threaten to send a complaint to BBB after then wouldn't stop billing AFTER I cancelled and returned the phone).

Sprint is good on the highways and will allow for roaming on EVDO, which will work for me. They've done a lot of buildout in So-Cal, however, still don't have native 1x coverage in Mojave . Sprint fanboys typically jump all over other carriers (AT&T in particular) on HoFo, and I personally dislike the negative rhetoric.

I typically prefer GSM devices for use of SIM cards, but I'd go with Sprint if I had to pick between Sprint and VZW.
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Re: Don't know... I uise

said by en102 See Profile :

Sprint is good on the highways and will allow for roaming on EVDO, which will work for me. They've done a lot of buildout in So-Cal, however, still don't have native 1x coverage in Mojave .
Sprint does in fact have native coverage in Mojave as of 11/2007. I was there yesterday and confirmed this.

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this showdown is like watching the special olympics.

because even if they win.....

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Re: this showdown is like watching the special olympics.

said by inteller See Profile :

because even if they win.....
What does that even mean??
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Re: this showdown is like watching the special olympics.

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

What does that even mean??
I think he's trying to suggest that even though Sprint's EVDO clearly beats out Verizon's laughable offering (limited to 5GB of data per month for MORE money? What a joke!), both are somehow deficient when compared to traditional broadband such as cable or DSL. Personally, I find such a comparison pretty stupid considering EVDO's true purpose is mobile business computing and not playing WoW in your folks' basement.

Even though my Sprint EVDO service can't hold a candle to my 10 Mbps cable modem, I still love it. I've used it during trips to upload hundreds of photos, make VoIP calls, VPN, and all kinds of other stuff. I am 100% satisfied with Sprint (ESPECIALLY when you factor in my SERO discount).

- Tate

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Re: this showdown is like watching the special olympics.

My Spring Evdo revision A is just awesome. I regulary hit 2.5-3mbit down, and have gone as high as 1.4mbit upload speeds.

Reliabillity has been rock solid, have had only 1 occasion where I could not connect, waited 30 minutes and all was good. That was during July 4th during unusal high usage time.

Cheers to sprint

Oh yah, I use a average of 75 gigs down and 15 gigs up/month. I use my Sprint EVDO for my business.
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EV-DO + SERO + Motorola Q = Heaven

I have unlimited EV-DO usage on my Motorola Q with my SERO plan. Never had any issues. Love it!!

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The best alternative if you have no wireline choice.

This technology beats satellite, hands down. My brother uses EVDO through Sprint and sees about 1M/130k. His ping times are around 180ms when playing BF2. Though that doesn't sound optimal, he is able to play easily and usually dominates in jets. I am guess he puts 10gigs through it every month and Sprint hasn't said a word.

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EVDO ha

Verizonz map "says" EVDO is avail im my network area... but its not... LOL

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Some important points.

At beginning of summer, Verizon made it so that the two-year plan was $59.99/mo, regardless of voice carrier:

»www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2017/64/

On another point, it seems odd to make the claim that USB devices are faster than other form factors, based on someone else's opinion rather than your own testing.

Devices have to meet specifications in order to be labeled a "Rev-A" device, and the only way someone could definitely say that one form factor was always faster than another, would be if they were testing in a 'closed loop' that removed variables like cell tower and carrier network load. I wrote more about this on a blogpost at:

»evdoinfo.blogspot.com/2007/09/te···eds.html

In fact, reading the 'review' that led you to say USB was faster, I would bet that the free PC card the user used for comparison, was a Rev-0 PC5740... Well of course the Rev-A USB720 was faster!
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Re: I don't think VZW is $79.99/mo

said by EVDOalex See Profile :

At beginning of summer, Verizon made it so that the two-year plan was $59.99/mo, regardless of voice carrier:

»www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2017/64/
That's very big of them. So, for only $60 + taxes and fees, Verizon EVDO subscribers can check their mail and browse webpages. Forget VoIP, forget FTP, forget VPN, forget SSH, forget mobile video. Most impressive.

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Re: I don't think VZW is $79.99/mo

said by Done_Posting See Profile :

said by EVDOalex See Profile :

At beginning of summer, Verizon made it so that the two-year plan was $59.99/mo, regardless of voice carrier:

»www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2017/64/
That's very big of them. So, for only $60 + taxes and fees, Verizon EVDO subscribers can check their mail and browse webpages. Forget VoIP, forget FTP, forget VPN, forget SSH, forget mobile video. Most impressive. - Tate
While I would certainly agree that VZW's TOS really sucks, I don't think people should take it as an absolute indication that they will BE terminated should they break the rules.

After all, you aren't supposed to roll through a stop sign, run a red light, go faster than the speed limit, or cross a solid white line... but I bet most drivers do at least one of these things EACH day without getting a ticket... right?

3gstore has sold thousands of verizon plans, and have not heard of any customer being terminated for abuse in over 14 months (maybe more, can't remember). Many of these customers KNOW they are using in excess of 5GB a month, doing activities clearly defined as abuse.

If verizon has been terminating accounts, they must have been serious abusers.
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Re: I don't think VZW is $79.99/mo

said by EVDOalex See Profile :

3gstore has sold thousands of verizon plans, and have not heard of any customer being terminated for abuse in over 14 months (maybe more, can't remember). Many of these customers KNOW they are using in excess of 5GB a month, doing activities clearly defined as abuse.

If verizon has been terminating accounts, they must have been serious abusers.
»Verizon Busted For 'Unlimited' Marketing
I'm sure you've seen this already, but I guess there were a few more 'serious abusers' than thought? At least in the New York area, heh.

said by hdman See Profile :

While I think this was a GREAT article, there was one provider left off for some reason....Alltel.
Well, the reason for 'leaving out Alltel' is that the article is a head-to-head comparison of Sprint and Verizons' services only.
Leaving out Alltel isn't a knock on them by any means, as you'll see if you read on:

said by Answer Guy See Profile :

I agree with Alltel and it is the best choice in Michigan. I pay $25 for unlimited tethered service on my phone with Rev O speeds. I travel all over below the bridge and the network works all over the place and not just on the highways.
Ironically, I live in Michigan and am an Alltel customer myself. I used Verizon and Sprint before settling on Alltel. IMO, they have the best service in the area by far. I was with Verizon for quite a number of years until some coverage changes meant I could no longer get service. VerizonWireless wasn't convinced when I told them and actually came out to my house and verified this for themselves (the tech was rather surprised to find I was correct) before letting me out of my contract without having to pay a termination fee. I then tried Sprint only to find they also didn't have reliable coverage in my area. I was forced to cancel service before the trial period was up. Alltel worked like a charm from the get-go, and even though Sprints and Verizons coverage may have improved since then, I don't think I'll be changing providers again anytime soon. Well... maybe if Xohm comes rolling in sometime.
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Aren't the mentioned routers against VZW TOS?

Between VZW's router ban (which I may have been wrong on) and 5GB limit, I chose Sprint. No regrets.
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I love Sprint

If you like high tech, you'll love sprint.

I came from T-mobile and Cingular (now AT&T) where they forgot to invest 3G and/or 2.5G for a very long time. (probably busy of killing each other and burning money on advertising)

Sprint is the first to wireless phone company to invest in 3.5G or 4G wireless broadband and not use fuzzy numbers to trick new client as they drop less calls.

We need phone company who are willing to invest in hardware and spectrum and not BS in marketing and can't perform.

If you go with Sprint, you're primrosed with endless technology improvements (Xohm) instead of daily/weekly reminder of who drop less call yesterday.
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Reviewers

I should mention that the only reason Sprint has 7 negative reviews is because there are people too stupid to check a coverage map before they sign up for the service. In fact, 2 of the 7 reviews are by the same person that did exactly this.
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Re: Reviewers

Yep, some people are just a few bricks short of a wall.
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My Experience w/ Sprint's EVDO

I've had mixed luck with Sprint's service. Since i'm officially 1.5 miles outside their optimum radius, I knew that I was going to need to get some beefy help. I bought a external antenna to go along with my Pantech card and Linksys router.
I got over 1mb/500K on my laptop using the window mount antenna. Not too shabby..
Now the router on the other hand, was a near disaster right out of the box.
It would run for 4 hours on average, then lock solid. I consulted the EVDOforums.com gurus and discovered that the router's firmware, which was custom built for Sprint's service was a PITA and a certified lemon.
So I turned to open source to find a answer. Luckily, there is a team on the forum that came up with a modified firmware upgrade (literally, the linksys stuff sucks!) that turned the piece of junk into a star performer.
Now I'm able to run solid, even with -98DB, in SL and EVE-Online. Second Life tends to overwhelm the connection, causing the host to reset the connection, so I have to keep the 3D monster on a tight leash.
Pricing is right up the alley, just keep in mind if you do a in-store activation of the service, they will tack on a 7/mo equipment replacement service. I'm going to keep mine, since i'm so hard on the poor things, pulling gigs of data in short periods of time.

By way of some good ole Yankee ingenuity and some terrific hackers, I got decent service in a rural area, without satellite!

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Did we forget about Alltel's EVDO product????

While I think this was a GREAT article, there was one provider left off for some reason....Alltel. I have their service for $59 per month, I have no bandwidth limit, and they SELL routers for their service.

They may be a relatively new player in the EVDO market, they are gowing by leaps and bounds. Most Alltel stores sell out of cards within a few days of receiving them in this area. I'm just curious WHY Alltel was not even rated in this article.

I believe they are BY FAR the best choice for EVDO especially because of their roaming contracts with the other carriers.....

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Re: Did we forget about Alltel's EVDO product????

I agree with Alltel and it is the best choice in Michigan. I pay $25 for unlimited tethered service on my phone with Rev O speeds. I travel all over below the bridge and the network works all over the place and not just on the highways.

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Re: Did we forget about Alltel's EVDO product????

said by Answer Guy See Profile :

I agree with Alltel and it is the best choice in Michigan. I pay $25 for unlimited tethered service on my phone with Rev O speeds. I travel all over below the bridge and the network works all over the place and not just on the highways.
What Altel users (and sprint) is that Altel/Sprint have data roaming agreements. Which is nice if you travel between both network areas.

For the comment about about the 10 vs evdo speed (cable vs evdo), you would look pretty funny dragging your desktop around with you everywhere you do and will need a very long lan cable. EVDO was NEVER EVER marketed to replace wired service, however, for the farmer out in the middle of no where and unable to get coax cable service, as long as they are covered by a evdo "A" foot print, it's better then dial up.. and did I mention, you can take it with you, to the barn, the tractor or to town.. that's the selling point. I have HSI too but as soon as WiMAX is out, I'm moving to it. No contract. Speeds that compare to my current provider and it's portable. I live less then a 1/4 mile from a Sprint tower. I'm just waiting for it get deployed 1st qtr 08.
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5GB limit??

This is almost laughable for someone who has no other means of getting online.
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Sprint/Alltel roaming

It was briefly mentioned that Sprint has EVDO roaming agreements with Alltel, but this is a bigger deal for those who travel on the road. It's especially important for RVrs and truck drivers. Alltel has massive area coverage of EVDO in some states. Verizon does not have EVDO roaming agreements yet, just Sprint/Alltel.

Verizon's only advantage may be better customer support or where they may have EVDO that Sprint does not. Sprint seems to win in every other category otherwise. Both claim to cover over 210 million population with EVDO and Sprint claims they'll hit 240m by end of this year.

BTW, I dumped my 5Mb cable modem for Sprint EVDO. Don't miss it at all unless trying to stream very high quality video.

Many have been dumping landline phones for the mobility of a cellphone even though landline is higher quality and usually cheaper. When WiMAX comes around, I suspect many more will dump landline broadband for mobile WiMAX, except for those who really need over 5Mbps.

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VZW vs Sprint EVDO in Cleveland results

I've got VZW EVD0. My brother has Sprint EVDO. We both have IBM T41 P4m 1.7ghz Thinkpads w/XP SP2 using AC595 Sierra cards. So how do the services compare?

Sprint wins outright on speed, with very good coverage in Metro Cleveland (five counties) plus the southern shore of Lake Erie. He's a real estate broker, wife a travel agent, they use VPN via EVDO on their boat at Cedar Point in Sandusky all the way to Kelly's Island every weekend in summer and then some. However, if you go very far off the Interstate into rural Ohio, the Sprint EVDO signal fades.

VZW wins on extended national, coverage and roaming. I get disconnects on an SSH or VPH seesion from time to time. I'm surprised by some of the rural areas that have EVDO here in OH. Works great for me in LA, LV, DC, much of central/south FL and most of the freeways between. IMO, if you travel much, it's the one to buy.

Otherwise, I'd go for the speed and discounts available on Sprint. I'm very impressed with how much progress Sprint is making on both their voice and data wireless networks. I'll give them serious consideration when my contract expires.

btw, I tried Alltel for a while, very decent service, but rural and multi-city coverage at the time was not adequate for my needs. It's gotten better since then. Local service/coverage was quite good. Don't fail to consider them if they have service in your area.

Sprint gave best pre-sales support. Post sale support from all best described as resembling a toothache, it felt so good to hang up and fix it myself.

I find that EVDO works well enough with a router that I'm thinking about shafting the arrogant cable modem folks next. That is, if I can get my Linksys EVDO router back from my brother, he took it for his boat last time I saw it.

Nice to have more broadband choices: EVDO is almost comparable to base rate ADSL with a l-o-n-g cord attached. Not recommended for gamers or bitorrent addicts, though.
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Re: VZW vs Sprint EVDO in Cleveland results

"VZW wins on national coverage and roaming. "

Verizon doesn't do EVDO roaming, only 1xRTT. Sprint does both EVDO and 1xRTT roaming and actually has better roaming agreements than any carrier. Sprint actually roams on Verizon 1xRTT. And you have more granular control of forced roaming/1xRTT with Sprint than with VZW.

Verizon also does not have greater EVDO coverage than Sprint, but it depends on the area. VZW is slightly less actually but they've been playing catchup to each other the last few months.
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Sprint - Tried It

As posted elsewhere I did the 30 day trial of Sprint EVDO.

I used the Sierra card and hooked it up to my mag mount cell antenna and placed it on the roof of the van for a 2.5 hour trip.

Everything worked. I ran a VPN on it back to the office and it never skipped a beat.

The antenna made a huge difference in maintaining the higher rates as your drove. I only went 1xRTT for a few minutes when driving between towers otherwise the latency was the same throughout.

If you are taking a long cross country trip across the US, this can be one tool to use. Kids can check MySpace, wife can chat online and so forth.

Oh, no billing hassles. I returned the card on Day 29 and there were no questions asked. None. The bill showed exactly what they said, only a usage charge.

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pathetic reviews

I don't mean to piss anyone off, but these comments are pretty pathetic. You're all commenting on on which carrier is faster/better but you have no clue as to how to determine the facts. The only thing you truly have the "expertise" to comment on are the pricing plans, your own "customer support" experience, and perhaps your own speed results (though some of you can't even reliably comment on that). But for those of your trying to claim Sprint is faster than Verizon (or vice versa) you have no legitimate way of making such claims. Only one guy came close to setting up the tests correctly, but even he had flaws in the setup.

If you really want to compare network performance, you need to examine the RF conditions at the site you're testing to put the carrier's on equal ground (and no, I don't mean just the "bars" on your device, I'm mean C/I, DRC, the pilots you're talking to, etc), and then run tests on the same hardware (card and computer), same OS, same settings, same target files, same servers, 24/7 to eliminate loading, month to month to see trends, etc. And if you want to test coverage, you need to use the same setup minus the RF portion (because that's what you're trying to test) and drive/walk around miles of land recording the RF conditions and speeds the entire time.

But all I've seen in this forum are a bunch of people with different setups trying to test their own carrier and compare it to another carrier that, in general, they don't even use. And for those that have used both carriers, you use different hardware, files, setup, etc. Seriously, stop trying to pretend you know how to compare networks and "know" that Sprint is faster/more reliable than Verizon. Just state your own experience and leave it at that. And keep in mind, just because 10-50 or so people write a review, that hardly counts as definitive proof that one carrier is faster/more reliable than the other. You need hundreds if not thousands of samples, all with the same setup, to make such claims.

If you really want the answers to who's objectively better, go inquire at companies like Mobile Complete, Zandan, Telephia, Keynote etc... the ones that actually do standardized testing across the country. See what those guys say overall... then maybe we can believe the results. Most of you (especially the Sprint fanatics) will be surprised at who really comes out on top... and even then, it's not as black-and-white as some of you try to make it. It varies by market, time of day, and may even depend on whether you're looking at averages versus peaks/lows/ranges.
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Re: pathetic reviews

Here are some comparisons of speedtest results. Unfortunately these aren't always accurate (the flash based tests), as there are some that use a proxy and show too high of a result, but it does give a good indication.

Ignore results over 3Mbps as they used a proxy...
»/archive/spcsdns.net
»/archive/myvzw.com

Here are results for cellphones, which tend to be slower than laptop cards..
»/mspeed?domains=1

The bottom line though is that performance will vary most on your conditions and how many people are sharing the tower. Verizon has about 28K cellsites with over 60m users. Sprint has over 30K cellsites with about 25m CDMA users, so has a better user/tower ratio. There are so many factors but Sprint has consistently shown better average performance on other speedtest sites as well, so it's difficult to argue.

And Sprint roams on Alltel EVDO while Verizon does not, so ultimately has much much more EVDO coverage in some states. And Sprint has no 5GB limit that Verizon has (on paper). Sprint also allows more granular control of roaming, forced EVDO, data tuning, etc. So the only reason to consider Verizon is if you want better customer support or if in an area that has Verizon EVDO but not Sprint.

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Internet or Interweb?

I've never used either, but I didn't see this mentioned in the comparison...

Do you get real, unfettered access to the internet with a real IP or are these connections NAT'd, filtered, proxied, etc.? Is your connection offloaded to the internet locally/regionally or hauled to one or two central points that may be far from your physical location?
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Re: Internet or Interweb?

I have Sprint EVDO.

You get a real dynamic IP address, just like basic Cable or DSL.

The tower routes to a home address (mentioned in the article above), there are several across the country for different regions. For instance, I’m in Florida and my tower goes to GA before hitting the Sprintlink backbone.

My speeds average 1.7 Mb download / 400 Kb upload. I have got 2.3 Mb a few times.

My pings average 110 MS, but I have seen them as low as 60 MS.

With EVDO speeds and pings do vary at any given second.
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