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| Fine, but... The movie and recording industry has to pay for everyone's movie/music subscriptions.
I support their right to protect their intellectual property, but it cannot in any way jeopardize something as vastly more important as financial aid to students.
So free music and flicks for all college students... Like that'll happen.. 
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3 edits | How do I get into this racket? Bitchen...so taxpayer money would be going to support the RIAA. So this is just more proof that bribing politicians works. You give Congressional whores enough money, you get your favors done in record time.
What's next? Colleges lose financial aid if they don't buy breathalyzers for every student's car? It's not the college's job to pay to stop the criminal actions of others.
Congress has nothing better to do? The budget is balanced, illegal immigration is under control, the war in Iraq over, infrastructure improved, energy policy enacted, environmental concerns addressed, taxes lowered and all the other REAL problems impacting Joe Taxpayer have been solved. Funny, I missed all of these successes in the news.
It's no wonder that Congressional ratings are at record lows (25% »www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm ) , even worse than our retarded President 32% »www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm ) | |
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| Re: How do I get into this racket? said by DotMac  :Bitchen...so taxpayer money would be going to support the RIAA. So this is just more proof that bribing politicians works. Dam, we needed more proof???  If you find yourself in Oxford, Wisconsin stop in to the Federal Prison and visit our previous governor. Oh that empty bed next to him? That's reserved for our present governor.  | |
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| Orwellian, totally f'ng Orwellian.
Like you said, with all the shit going on right now, THIS is what Congress is worried about.
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| Re: How do I get into this racket? said by N3OGH :Orwellian, totally f'ng Orwellian. Like you said, with all the shit going on right now, THIS is what Congress is worried about. Nero fiddles......Rome burns... How's that? If you recieve FEDERAL financial aid do they not have a right to put whatever conditions on that as they choose? You have the right not to accept financial aid from the federal government if you wish to pirate stuff. Don't accept the government cheese then bitch about how it tastes. | |
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Kissimmee, FL | Re: How do I get into this racket? Why don't they just attach that stipulation to the individual loan? Why make a school full of students liable for the actions of a few? That is my problem with this bill, it is overreaching. Like swatting a fly with a baseball bat. | |
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| That's fine if it's like Felons can't vote... I.E. you are convicted of copyright infringment - you lose federal financial aid. I'm down with that as a possible policy.
But if you happen to go to a college that other people pirate at, you lose financial aid? Bullshit. What the hell is this guilt *and* punishment by association. What college could you even go to and be sure than no student was pirating at? That part is wrong.
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3 edits | It's not the gov'ts money, it's the taxpayers' money. It's one thing for the gov't to insist that colleges try and curb piracy by overseeing their own networks. It's quite another to force colleges to PAY THE RIAA membership using TAXPAYER money. That money is for the STUDENTS, not the thugs at the RIAA.
Taking bribes from private industry in exchange for taxpayer money gives us the right to bitch about it. If I gave money to a politician in exchange for favors, I'd go to jail. The RIAA does it and they call it a contribution.
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| said by BF69 :said by N3OGH :Orwellian, totally f'ng Orwellian. Like you said, with all the shit going on right now, THIS is what Congress is worried about. Nero fiddles......Rome burns... How's that? If you recieve FEDERAL financial aid do they not have a right to put whatever conditions on that as they choose? You have the right not to accept financial aid from the federal government if you wish to pirate stuff. Don't accept the government cheese then bitch about how it tastes. "We've taxed the ever-living f*ck out of the citizens of your state, if you want some of your money back, you have to abide by these conditions." Sure, that makes sense.
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| Conditions of FEDERAL Financial student Aid should not and cannot not be used to benefit a group of PRIVATE businesses by imposing unfunded mandates on funded institutions of learning. When FEDERAL PUBLIC laws are subservient to PRIVATE business concerns, then you no longer have a democracy, you have an oligarchy. That's political science 101. What the RIAA is asking for in this bill is basically socialized access to entertainment.
Under just about any theory of law involving private enterprise, it is the responsibility of the owner of the intellectual property to secure and enforce those property rights. Requiring all of the public (including the higher education system) to pay royalties for intellectual property used by a minority is a perverse kind of corporate entitlement or socialism. IF mandates can be placed for compulsory payments, then mandates need also be placed for fee caps.
But the bottom line is that in a democratic, capitalistic system, it is the property owner's responsibility to protect their property, intellectual or otherwise. If I have a grocery store, the authorities will prosecute a thief. But the authorities will not protect me from thieves by buying me locks or installing an alarm for me at the public expense. Nor will they tax the neighborhood to offset my losses from shoplifting. As a property owner, it is MY responsibility to protect myself. It is the authorities responsibility to prosecute those who violate my property rights. The authorities responsibility is to maintain order for the good of ALL by. as such, their role is primarily reactive and retributive. A property owner has the responsibility of being PROACTIVE.
If the measure is passed, it would probably at some point be ruled an unconstitutional taking.
If the RIAA cannot adequately protect their member's property with their current business model, then they need to find a different business model. That is, after all, the fundamental principle of capitalism and free markets. | |
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| said by BF69 :How's that? If you recieve FEDERAL financial aid do they not have a right to put whatever conditions on that as they choose? You have the right not to accept financial aid from the federal government if you wish to pirate stuff. Don't accept the government cheese then bitch about how it tastes. But they stole my cow, threatened her with jail if she didn't give them 1/3 of every gallon of her milk and then wasted most of that making an ounce of cheese per 100 gallons.
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| said by DotMac :Congress has nothing better to do? Nothing that pays as well as the RIAA
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| i agree that it is way to easy to buy congress and sway their opinions substantially. if you have an opinion on a subject matter, hire a bunch of lobbyists, they'll bribe congresss so that your opinion get through.
for all the money (~$165,200 for house and senate per person per year) that they are being paid, i'm expecting each and everyone of them to do research on what they are voting or proposing, not to have a bunch on highly biased people in suits (or companies for that matter) with lots of money to hand out to tell how to think. Seems like some people have it easy, but such is life.
aside from that, i think colleges to deter illegal network activities, but not be the police. let the police (college, local, state, federal) enforce the laws because it is their job to do, not the network admins. all the network admins should have to do is have reasonable logging and comply with court orders, unless they want to be charged with something.
my college's stance is basically 'if we (the network managers) can't see any illegal stuff, do whatever you please' and they block stuff, shutoff network access to those that are performing illegal activities, and so on, but they are not going on a large time consuming manhunt to illegal network usage. i wouldn't consider them (the network managers) to be turning the blind eye. | |
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|  The legislators behind this proposal
The two Democratic politicians behind Friday's bill are Reps. George Miller from California and Ruben Hinojosa of Texas. Miller is chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee and Hinojosa is chairman of the higher education subcommittee.
They said in a press release that the legislation, called the College Opportunity and Affordability Act, or COAA, will be voted on by the full committee next week.
The peer-to-peer sections of COAA appear to be a revision of an amendment originally proposed over the summer by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to his chamber's sweeping higher education reauthorization bill. My, my! It isn't the evil business loving Republicans behind this. It appears that the Dems are repaying all those big campaign contributions from Hollywood.
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K2P OW2 | Re: The legislators behind this proposal Does it really matter who is responsible for this? or is enough to say its a stupid idea? | |
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| Re: The legislators behind this proposal said by backness :Does it really matter who is responsible for this? or is enough to say its a stupid idea? Yes. If the Republicans were responsible for this, they would be castigated. Since it is the Democrat Party that sponsors this sort of thing, and they are supposedly the "good" party, that makes it OK.
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| Re: The legislators behind this proposal said by pnh102 :Yes. If the Republicans were responsible for this, they would be castigated. Since it is the Democrat Party that sponsors this sort of thing, and they are supposedly the "good" party, that makes it OK. ACTUALLY... As this thread PROVES... It's the exact opposite.
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| said by LiamJunket :My, my! It isn't the evil business loving Republicans behind this. It appears that the Dems are repaying all those big campaign contributions from Hollywood. Hollywood has (at least recently) supported the democratic party, both with 'hard' money and 'soft' money. They (as I recall and that includes the so called 'stars') were one of the biggest monetary backers of most of the anti-Bush commercials which was legal since the money did NOT go to a political party and as such was not counted. Somewhere there was a site ( www.opensecrets.org ?) that had a breakdown on who paid whom and how for the various political races and it was interesting to see where the money came from and how it differed from the mainstream media just reporting the 'official' amounts.
Someone once said that Hollywood really was not a big business, it just looks like one. It is more of a special interest group that wields a lot of clout because most people pay attention to it and various parts of the industry is always in our face, one way or another.
Not that the various aspects of Hollywood are not above bribing republicans..........
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1 edit | Re: The legislators behind this proposal Sadly, the people in power always get such backing (Democrat or Republican). It's discouraging to say the least, but true. Hollywood isn't going to funnel money to the Republicans, they have no control. Since the Democrats are in charge, their pockets seem to be amply lined in order to pander to such stupidity. As I said before, this country is in a mess, and this is something important to deal with? For pete sakes, I hate politics. | |
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| Re: The legislators behind this proposal LOL... We hate the politicians who get into office and forget to represent those who voted them in.... Then again, at this point, we've still got the lesser of the two evils in office. They just seem to be making some stupid decisions at this point, and I hope this piece of legislation fails. | |
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1 edit | as long as Bush and co. threaten to veto and then actually veteo if this is approved, then i'll agree with you. but if he just goes along with it without fighting, Republicans are complicit and share the blame. | |
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| Re: The legislators behind this proposal Morbo,
Don't fool yourself. Republicans are complicit and share the blame for 95 percent of the mess this country is current in. From the Iraq War, to the Crapped Economy, to the Patriot Act, to the NSA wiretapping. The list goes on. Not to say there weren't some Democratic Support behind such things, but the majority of Nay votes were Democrats. Still, if Bush vetoes this law, I will give the man a bit of credit for SOMETHING POSITIVE. I hope there is a single braincell working in that man's head to know this is a bad law. However, I won't hold out hope, considering his track record. Therefore, my only hope are there are enough Democrats and Republicans in Congress who see this law as being stupid. If not, prepare for the consequences. | |
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| Re: The legislators behind this proposal Pnh chimes in again. Seems you disappeared from the last conversation.... Anyhow, Article Says Democrats in the first sentence, but your attention to details isn't always top notch. If there are a lot of backers, i highly doubt itd list every one, Republican or Democrat. I'm sure both are behind this one. | |
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| Re: The legislators behind this proposal said by jc100 :Seems you disappeared from the last conversation.... I got tired of talking to the wall.
said by jc100 :Says Democrats in the first sentence, but your attention to details isn't always top notch. Yes, now it does.
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1 edit | Re: The legislators behind this proposal It said it originally... FROM THE START... Simply put, your detail to facts seem to lack, as you pick and choose what you wish to see. As for talking to a wall, you didn't substantiate anything you said. Quite frankly, I proved by all points Christians are more barbaric than Muslims =). I don't see either one of you having anything to refute the fact. It's not talking to a wall when the information is factual. It's called climbing a mountain to try to overcome them. That's why I think you are not enjoying the previous debate. | |
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| Re: The legislators behind this proposal said by jc100 :Quite frankly, I proved by all points Christians are more barbaric than Muslims =). Yes, you keep believing that.
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2 edits | Re: The legislators behind this proposal Will do. History has seen Christians Kill over 200,000 in just the last decade and had their hands in murdering around 7-8 million in past 60 years. So I don't see any reason not to. As Stated before.. The Catholic, Methodist, Baptist Church supported Hitler during the Holocaust which ended with 6 million + Dead Jews. The Bosnian Serbs killed 100-200,000 Muslims in mass killings during the Bosnian War. The worst genocide SINCE WW2 in Europe. The IRA has killed 1780 and wounded 25,000 with car bombings, kidnappings, and extortion according to Lost lives. Timothy Mcveigh Killed 800 with his fanatical views, which is no different than any other right wing hate groups. You have the KKK, Aryian Nation, Pat Robertson, and the Late Jerry Falwell who spew / spewed their hatred and continue to do so. Based upon your over generalization that all Muslims are bad, I should assume these entities speak for all Christianity. So quite Frankly, history speaks for itself about Christians and so do the actions of its members. | |
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| said by pnh102 :said by LiamJunket :My, my! It isn't the evil business loving Republicans behind this. It appears that the Dems are repaying all those big campaign contributions from Hollywood. Heh... I figured as much since the article summary doesn't mention any congressmens' names or party affiliations If it were the Republicans backing this bill, it would have been announced in the very first sentence of the summary. And, considering they are supposed to be studying, why do they need Torrents? Or gaming? I've seen kids go to college, get average grades (B or lower), and me think, "Why did this person waste my time...and theirs? They spent all this money, got Bs, and think a great job is coming there way?"
Do they block a lot of traffic at your job on the Net? Yes. Well, not at mine. But, 99% of companies do.
College is a job so you can get a really good job not so you can steal music and movies. If companies can block this traffic, colleges should be able to.
Just block it except legal sites. Don't like it, hit the books. That is what you are supposed to be doing anyway.
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| said by LiamJunket :My, my! It isn't the evil business loving Republicans behind this. It appears that the Dems are repaying all those big campaign contributions from Hollywood. Like there is a difference between the 2.They both exist for the sole purpose of seperating the working class from all but minimally sustaining fruits from their labors.Period.
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| Re: The legislators behind this proposal said by madrhino :Like there is a difference between the 2. Wait until 2008
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| Re: The legislators behind this proposal Yep. My bet is on Hilary personally. Guiliani doesn't stand much a chance, personally. Time tells to say the least who will win. Honestly, I like Ron Pauls idea quite a bit but since he doesn't stand a chance, it definitely won't be Guiliani. Hope Obama makes it, but if not I'll give my vote to Hilary as she's the lesser of those 2 evils. | |
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| Re: The legislators behind this proposal said by Kearnstd :New Laws are not how you slow down piracy, making stuff that people want to buy is. I don't want to sound like I am justifying piracy, but the reality is that piracy is a de facto "competitor" to the content industry. This will not change until it is easier to buy content than to pirate it.
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| Re: The legislators behind this proposal But you've already SOLVED the problem.. You stated the obvious. Content is NOT EASY to buy. In fact, with DRM, it's not YOUR rights they are protecting, it's the megacorps rights. For the last 200 years, when you 'paid' for something, it was yours. The last 10 years have shown us that's NOT the case anymore. Why in the world, would I EVER give money to someone for something I DON'T OWN.
The problem is twofold. Technology has changed the distribution medium, and the megacorps haven't adapted. They constantly try and find a 'technical' solution to a MORAL problem. And all their lawsuits, and postering, and buying politicians has BACKLASHED against them, as there are MORE PIRATES than ever before. Why, it's very simple human nature. If I give you money, I expect to OWN it. If I CAN'T give you money, and you give me something I OWN, then, if I still want it, I'll get it another way.
I strongly believe the vast majority of people would be willing to pay for a TV show, or a song, if two criteria were met.
#1: It's a GOOD value. I can get a full season of DVD quality episodes from Wally World for 12 bucks. That's 24 episodes, in excellent quality, at a price of .50 cents per episode. If what you offer me over the net is LOWER QUALITY, or MORE EXPENSIVE, why in the world would I pay you?
#2: I get to OWN it. That means no DRM. That means I can play it on ANY device, ANYWHERE, ANY TIME I want to. That means I can copy it to my server, my ipod, my psp.
Guess what, the PIRATES provide me with everything I am looking for. Do I feel BAD about it? Absolutely NOT. Why, because they aren't willing to sell me what I want, in a format I want, at a price I'm willing to pay. Simple as that.
What does this have to do with the college? Everything. Because the megacorps have RAISED a generation of kids who JUST DON'T CARE about them. Why in the world would we cut off aid to a college that is educating kids just because they are following their own moral compass. It just goes to show you that ALL politicians are corrupt.
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| GRRRRRRRR Stupid is the only word here. Come on Democrats, stop wasting your time pandering to the Movie / Music industry and solve the problems this former administration has caused. The economy is screwed. We are in a quagmire war. The President has stripped away our freedoms. Yet, this is somehow important? Got to love politics, someone must have lined their pockets well to make this law a centerpiece focus. | |
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| Re: GRRRRRRRR said by lesopp :Quagmire and war in the same sentence brings one thing to mind. Oh god, I've been shot, gigidy gigidy. Well Quagmire did serve in the Navy, according to Family Guy.
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| Goes to show The Democrats are just as bad for the American people as the Republicans. As a college student, I'm offended at the fact my school will be forced to buy me a Napster subscription. This cost will no doubt be passed on to me, in yet another fee on my already expensive bill.
Consider the fact the RIAA/MPAA has the Democratic party in their back pocket next time you vote.
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| None. "How much responsibility do colleges have for deterring peer-to-peer piracy on campus?" None whatsoever. A college has two responsibilities: remaining fiscally feasible and providing continuing education to students.
It's very easy for **AA exec's to recommend things that don't cost them money but bring money in - and if this isn't a clear case of an Act that should be shot down I don't know what is.
And colleges will never completely deter P2P. Direct Connect is a favorite among colleges because people within the LAN can create hubs that are accessible to only people on the school LAN. No **AA interference - and if the hub operator is smart enough they can even prevent school administrator's from noticing it (short of the massive intranet usage).
Not many schools come to mind that care about the amount of LAN traffic - only the external traffic is 'metered' so-to-speak.
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| Re: None. Also, lets please not turn this into Republican vs Democrat. We all know ALL politicians are lying scumbags - this is a bipartisan deal here folks. Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Neoliberals, Libertarians, whatever should all disagree with this act - and if they don't then you can sure bet they've got their hands in someone else's cookie jar.
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| Raising Tuition So they want to put a bill in place that has the effect of higher tuition prices which will in return increase tuition borrowing? Does this sound good for our latest credit crunch that could push us closer to a recession?
Schools should not have to worry about policing the internet.
there are another problem. They are assuming p2p traffic is solely the information transferred. While the method of file distribution is so efficient that people like to receive their files in this method is no coincidence. Since some are looking for files that are of high quality, without commercials, work on more than just a pc, and don't expire in a week, and can be easily transferred to any other device doesn't mean we need to block p2p. The idea of receiving files not from a central source but a collection should not be considered illegal. We should Not force students to have to pay for another this when they want their education. Haven't they done enough to harm higher education?
On top of paying high tuition, having the internet protocol blocked, they have also tried to MAKE colleges have a direct tie to the government(I forget which organization) so they can monitor the traffic or lose financial funding.
\So schools have to pay for a direct connection to the nsa, offer music downloads (say by a central server so one company makes profit, not peer ot peer), or risk loosing students due to the NECESSARY FINANCIAL AID FUNDING?
I know if i didnt have financial aid I would NOT be able to go to school.
This is horrible and crazy just to think of it. I agree now are they going to have to force students to have breathalysers in our cars in order to get financial aid. No because we can physically see that and the money and time would be physically seen. Since this is something we as the ned user don't have to install then people will be less reluctant to fight it. Should they also ban phone conversations that are are conferenced in to other people outside the campus that mention piracy since information could be passed onto multiple people and the information could be spread faster?
Should i lose my financial aid since i downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 last month AND the the nine inch nails torrent?
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| Example of BS corporate interest slipped into Legislation So you take a noble idea, and try to address a problem issue with College costs and financial aid and the like. Be great on it's own... but as with everything else, when a bill comes up that sounds good and has bi-partisan support, you start seeing third party interests tacked onto or slipped into it to so as to "skate on by" with the rest of the package.
Of course, it's pure BS. It requires colleges to spend money trying to filter/block/ban and prosecute/expel students who use P2P or copy movies etc. And it has a huge stick to bash them over the head: Comply or get nothing.
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| | grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY
| Re: Example of BS corporate interest slipped into Legislation I think that no matter what corporate interests should simply NEVER EVER even be in the same discussion much less the same legislation as education policy. This is the biggest bullshit I have ever seen and I hope that the XXAA takes a big PR hit for this. This should be on every major new network and newspaper and exposed for the blatant, corrupt, consumer RAPE that it is. This is nothing short of disgraceful if this is what the legislative process has devolved to. | |
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viperpa33s
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join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
·Bright House
| Government sponsored extortion “According to the bill, if universities did not agree to test "technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity," all of their students--even ones who don't own a computer--would lose federal financial aid.” So if you don't listen to music, you will still lose your financial aid? Excuse me but don't you need a computer to use P2P? What if you only use the colleges computers?
The College Opportunity and Affordability Act of 2007 would require colleges to not only deter piracy on campus but also to engage in alternatives such as paying for monthly subscriptions to sites like Napster for every student.
If you don't listen to music, you will still be forced to pay the music companies? Excuse me but this sounds like extortion. | |
| | grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Re: Government sponsored extortion Hah, put the label of socialism on it and the public will be outraged. | |
| | | Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Government sponsored extortion It would be more accurate to call it fascism but no one seems to be outraged by that anymore. | |
| ggultra2764
join:2007-09-13
Cambridge, NY
 ·Verizon Wireless B..
| Anime torrents? Would this affect the downloading of anime torrents as well, especially with licensed titles? I know a couple companies like Funimation and AD Vision have been tightening up on their searches for pirate sites that offer torrents of their licensed anime titles. Would this legislation also target such downloads? | |
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ß | This is very gai and probably the gaiest thing I've heard a lawmaker doing, since Senator Craig tapped his shoe under the bathroom stall. | |
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Nightshade
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join:2002-05-26
Salem, OR
|  What about off-campus students?
Now what really caught my eye was that colleges would have to provide alternatives to ALL students, such as paying for subscription sites such as Napster. That to me sounds like it will include the off-campus students who receive financial aid. Now who is going to pay for all of these subscriptions, regardless if your a on or off campus student but get financial aid? Sounds like the colleges are.
You're right, does sound like a nice racket for the RIAA. Unfortunately, it will be the small colleges that will make the students suffer by raising tuition and fees. But that's how rackets work right?
Sounds like a win for the RIAA and a loss to everyone else, especially the students who can barely afford higher education as it is.
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Hazeleyze
join:2003-05-09
Wauseon, OH
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: This is INCREDIBLE! One of these days they'll probably require a subscription before you're allowed to get on the internet.
It's pretty sad when businesses will be able to force you to pay for something whether you use it or even want it. All they care about is lining their pockets in green and they don't care how they do it. | |
| | | Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: This is INCREDIBLE! said by Hazeleyze :It's pretty sad when businesses will be able to force you to pay for something whether you use it or even want it. All they care about is lining their pockets in green and they don't care how they do it. Exactly why the value of the dollar is going down. | |
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Proposed Bill Requires Colleges to Deter p2p Piracy
