  morbo Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: 1 edit | this "demand to know" issue should spread this would put quite the snag in telco video roll-out plans. seems only fair though. if telco isn't coming to town anytime soon, cities can start muni systems. | |
|
 |   GOLFnSUN Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| Re: this "demand to know" issue should spread said by morbo :this would put quite the snag in telco video roll-out plans. seems only fair though. if telco isn't coming to town anytime soon, cities can start muni systems. And quite the snag in providing competition to cable providers. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face. -- -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page | |
|
 |  |  Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ
| Re: this "demand to know" issue should spread it wouldnt snag competition at all, if cable for exmaple saw qwest was really strong in one area and they had it neglected oddds are they would start to apply pressure to that area to take customers away from Qwest. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
|
 |  |   morbo Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: 2 edits | uh, no. if telco isn't coming to town and they have to disclose that information, then how is starting a muni system cutting off their nose? telco isn't coming! muni is a competition to cableco. competition is good, right? | |
|
 |  |  |  RayW Premium join:2001-09-01 Layton, UT clubs:
·XMission
| Re: this "demand to know" issue should spread said by morbo :uh, no. if telco isn't coming to town and they have to disclose that information, then how is starting a muni system cutting off their nose? telco isn't coming! muni is a competition to cableco. competition is good, right? Except some people tend to think that once the government has given up something (like internet, telephone, etc), then they should not ever be allowed back in, no matter what the level or what the reason or what the majority of the tax payers (well, we all know that the 'majority' is 51% of the 10% who bother to vote) want. And they pay good money to 'law makers' to ensure that muni's can not carry out the will of the local people. -- I am not lost, I find myself every time. | |
|
 |  |   jslik That just happened Premium join:2006-03-17 clubs:
| said by GOLFnSUN :And quite the snag in providing competition to cable providers. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face. Well, the telcos moaned and hollered for these changes, and now they have to live with the FCC order's ambiguities. This one-size-fits-all-not-really approach is one of the reasons the FCC (until now) has kept out of the local franchise arena.
I would think you of all people would hate unelected bureaucrats in D.C. telling folks how to run things in Hometown, USA. As the Wikipedia entry for the 10th Amendment says: "The Amendment, which makes explicit the idea that the federal government is limited only to the powers it is granted in the Constitution, is generally recognized to be a truism." -- If they told you wolverines would make good house pets, would you believe them?
-"Planes, Trains & Automobiles" | |
|
 |  |  PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04 Banks, OR
| said by GOLFnSUN :They are cutting off their nose to spite their face. Not as far as they're concerned. They're simply choosing to discourage telcos from coming in, cherry-picking, and offering service to only a portion of their citizens. The towns decided that such a development would be worse than no telco TV at all. IMHO it's a reasonable position. As representatives of all their citizens, they have an obligation to look out for all of them, when granting certain permissions to private firms to utility the right-of-way and other public resources. | |
|
 |  |  PeterCollins
join:2005-05-23 Geneva, IL | Or they could just enter the market on a level playing field to the cable cos and be required to do a full buildout (like the cable cos must do). | |
|
 |   dvd536 as Mr. Pink as they come Premium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ | Its not about cable at all. its that they want to be able to cherrypick which areas they'll deploy in. -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
|
  longstreet
join:2004-11-14 Plano, TX | Qworst Go Go Municipal Fiber! | |
|
  marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO | What's really funny... is that the cable providers are already required to supply buildout plans to cities, as well as providing subscriber numbers and households passed information. | |
|
  batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. What has that done for New Jersey?
Just keep it up. You all deserve what you will get. | |
|
 |   jslik That just happened Premium join:2006-03-17 clubs:
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. Yea, and Massachusetts and Washington don't have statewide franchising and they're doing just fine on your chart.
Your point? -- If they told you wolverines would make good house pets, would you believe them? -"Planes, Trains & Automobiles" | |
|
 |  |   batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by jslik :Your point? My point is New Jersey is number one because of FiOS. Do I really have to spell it out Mr. Comcast Rocks.
Do you know what the secret limit is before Comcast sends THE letter. | |
|
 |  |  |   jslik That just happened Premium join:2006-03-17 clubs:
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by batterup : My point is New Jersey is number one because of FiOS. Do I really have to spell it out Mr. Comcast Rocks. Do you know what the secret limit is before Comcast sends THE letter. Given a choice to be (barely) first in an average speed test vs. second (or fourth) and keeping local control, second would be fine.
Keep in mind the regulatory scheme you have (or lack thereof) you'll be stuck with for decades. I don't think that's worth ceding local control for a few months' faster deployment. -- If they told you wolverines would make good house pets, would you believe them? -"Planes, Trains & Automobiles" | |
|
 |  |  |  |   batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by jslik :Given a choice to be (barely) first in an average speed test vs. second (or fourth) and keeping local control, second would be fine. Once the CATV is granted a franchise local control is down the crapper. Just keep going the way you are going. Keep an eye on New Jersey, New Jersey all action no B.S. speculation.
What a surprise, another post form Comcast. You can't fool all of the people all of the time. How many letters did you send out today? | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |   jslik That just happened Premium join:2006-03-17 clubs:
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by batterup :Once the CATV is granted a franchise local control is down the crapper. Just keep going the way you are going. Keep an eye on New Jersey, New Jersey all action no B.S. speculation. What a surprise, another post form Comcast. You can't fool all of the people all of the time. How many letters did you send out today? First, just because your town can't manage its right-of-way is no reason to want to take any other towns' rights.
Second, just because I'm using Comcast means nothing. Comcast was the best value for me at this time, so I don't know why you keep bringing it up. FIOS is impressive, and if it were available (I'm not in a Verizon area) I'd probably get it.
If local franchising is so bad, why has Verizon said repeatedly that it's not a problem? -- If they told you wolverines would make good house pets, would you believe them? -"Planes, Trains & Automobiles" | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |   batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by jslik :First, just because your town can't manage its right-of-way is no reason to want to take any other towns' rights. You don't really know what a CATV franchise is and yet you post.
A CATV franchise has nothing to do with a right-of-way. It has to do only with supplying CATV. Verizon can run FiOS without town permissions as it falls under maintaining and improving the telephone plant. The cable is in place telephone and internet can be carried without a town franchise. Only when CATV is carried over the same wire does the town have a say.
If you only read TeleTruth ignorance will be the rule of the day and the leeches will get fat on the blood of the gullible. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |   jslik That just happened Premium join:2006-03-17 clubs:
3 edits | Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by batterup :You don't really know what a CATV franchise is and yet you post. Excuse me, I know what a CATV franchise is. If you bothered to read federal law you'd clearly see that: "Any franchise shall be construed to authorize the construction of a cable system over public rights-of-way, and through easements, which is within the area to be served by the cable system and which have been dedicated for compatible uses..."
The law is the law. If Verizon (or any other provider) wants to run telecommunication services defined as cable under federal code, then they need a franchise.
What is your definition? You seem to have all the FreedomWorks supplied answers. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by jslik :What is your definition? You seem to have all the FreedomWorks supplied answers. FiOS is a fiber cable used to replace 100 year old copper telephone cable.
A CATV franchise is not needed to place FiOS. It has nothing to do with a right of way. FiOS is an improvement to the telephone plant and covered by a tariff not a franchise.
As of now Verizon can place FiOS and transmit data at 1490 nm and 1310 nm without having to slop the local hogs. In order for Verizon to transmit data at 1550 nm RF/CATV they must slop the local hogs. It has nothing to do with right of way; the cable is in the right of way. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   jslik That just happened Premium join:2006-03-17 clubs:
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. I don't disagree with those comments. Franchising law covers the type of service, not the means of service. The ROW obligations depend on the type.
Call it a big deficiency in federal law, but until it is changes, we have to live with it. -- If they told you wolverines would make good house pets, would you believe them? -"Planes, Trains & Automobiles" | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by jslik :I don't disagree with those comments. Franchising law covers the type of service, not the means of service. The ROW obligations depend on the type. Call it a big deficiency in federal law, but until it is changes, we have to live with it. How can New Jersey law over ride Federal law? Post a link to the Federal law. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   jslik That just happened Premium join:2006-03-17 clubs:
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by batterup :How can New Jersey law over ride Federal law? Post a link to the Federal law. I believe the way states are doing franchising is re-defining the franchise area. Quite frankly, I don't know why cities aren't fighting their states over this. -- If they told you wolverines would make good house pets, would you believe them? -"Planes, Trains & Automobiles" | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. quote: (c) Status of cable system as common carrier or utility
Any cable system shall not be subject to regulation as a common carrier or utility by reason of providing any cable service.
So TPC can tell the great unwashed no POTS for you. I am no longer a common carrier, I am free to hustle a buck. Die universal service at a reasonable price, die. I like the way you think. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   jslik That just happened Premium join:2006-03-17 clubs:
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by batterup : So TPC can tell the great unwashed no POTS for you. I am no longer a common carrier, I am free to hustle a buck. Die universal service at a reasonable price, die. I like the way you think. That's why I mentioned deficiency in the code.
FiOS, for example, can do pretty much anything; but depending what it is 'doing' any given second, it falls under a completely different area of law. That's why all the big concerns are pushing for all of their service to be classified as 'information', not cable or telephone. Then they'd be free of pretty much any regulation. -- If they told you wolverines would make good house pets, would you believe them? -"Planes, Trains & Automobiles" | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by jslik : That's why all the big concerns are pushing for all of their service to be classified as 'information', not cable or telephone. Then they'd be free of pretty much any regulation. Verizon is TPC and could never be totally deregulated. Deregulation is what dropped US from 1st to 18th in 20 short years. A regulated national information common carrier is the way it worked. One System it Works gave US the best in the world for over 90 years.
At this point in time I don't have a dog in the fight. I will soon be connected to the best network in the world. | |
|
 |   kpfx
join:2005-10-28 Kerrville, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | So? Doesn't mean its related so please quit posting that graph like its proof that statewide franchises bring broadband bliss.
We deserve what we get?
Where's Texas in that list? We were one of the first to pass a state franchise (not counting Connecticut's failed DPUC in 1996) but we're nowhere near the top. A lot of good its done for us so far.... so thanks a lot AT&T.
And New Jersey only signed their state franchise in mid 2006. You seriously think that in less than 12 months they've become the #1 broadband state because of that bill.
But hey... what does a state-wide franchise for video services have to do with internet speeds?
Government has nothing to do with it. The more they keep messing around the worst its going to get. | |
|
 |  |   batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by kpfx :good its done for us so far.... so thanks a lot AT&T. And New Jersey only signed their state franchise in mid 2006. You seriously think that in less than 12 months they've become the #1 broadband state because of that bill. Actually the state wide franchise has been in effect for only 5 months. In that time I have seen FiOS deployment increase 10 fold. I'm sorry if New Jersey in number. No I'm not we deserve it.
In about 1 and 1/2 years the world will stand slacked jawed in awe of New Jersey's network. | |
|
 |  |   Thespis I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV. Premium join:2004-08-03 Keller, TX
| quote: Where's Texas in that list? We were one of the first to pass a state franchise (not counting Connecticut's failed DPUC in 1996) but we're nowhere near the top.
In all fairness, building out New Jersey and building out Texas are two COMPLETELY different things... | |
|
 |  |  |   batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law. said by Thespis : quote: Where's Texas in that list? We were one of the first to pass a state franchise (not counting Connecticut's failed DPUC in 1996) but we're nowhere near the top.
In all fairness, building out New Jersey and building out Texas are two COMPLETELY different things... New Jersey doing better than Texas is natural selection and more then a CATV franchise.
Texas is mostly at&t. Let us compare Texas and New Jersey.
Education, the percent of those that enter 9th grade that will graduate High School. Number 1 New Jersey 89.8 % Number 38 Texas 64.2% »www.unitedhealthfoundation.org/s···rad.html
Family income. Number 1 New Jersey $59,989 Number 36 Texas $41,959 Funny, Texas is a so called right-to-work state and New Jersey is heavily union. You can't bag groceries in NJ without belonging to a union. »www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/h···08b.html
Do I hear banjo music in the background? | |
|
 Gnarlodious
join:2003-06-25 Westminster, CO
| Let's nationalize internet access... Yeah, it's time. Call the internet part of "The Commons" and turn it over to hordes of open-source geeks working out of Wiki sites. Let's take a cue from Hugo Chavez and his Socialist Revolution, corporate controlled communications are antithetical to the needs of the consumer. | |
|
 |
|
 |