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Forward, March
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Happy Camp | Interesting Comment "Time-honored civil rights laws"...
Hmmm.....
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
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join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA
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| Re: Interesting Comment Some pastors were pissed off at AT&T because their cable service was offering pr0n and they thought Ma Bell was too sacred-ish to deliver pr0n to it's willing subscribers.
This was before they sold off their cable assets;).
I think religious people will say almost anything to persuade someone to do something. | |
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Anonymous
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IA | Great I'm sure they'll manage to get it their way. With all the lobbying (bribing) they can't fail. | |
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figures
@170.74.x.x
| Re: Great it figures. they get assistance from public funds (subsidies, tax breaks, etc...) to help build their business but don't want to kick in to service the very people whose tax dollars made their success possible. i've heard the argument that they are trying to put the service where it will be wanted most (or where it's easiest to establish) but if they don't have to comply with the franchise rules what measures are in place to make them expand these new services to the neighborhoods they skipped? are we supposed to take them at their word after history has shown us what their word is worth? i can already hear the excuses they'll try to give when someone asks when they plan to bring this new service to the areas they skipped.
if a company gets taxpayer assistance to help build their business then the taxpayers should get something in return. | |
| compton
join:2002-02-08
Brooklyn, NY | Community broadband This is why you need community broadband. I say do away with franchise agreements but also have community broadband. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| Re: Community broadband Amen, muni infrastructure solves these problems. Let the people vote to have it (eg passing a bond measure) and pay for it...then let content providers compete for customers.
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| | NetDroid2
join:2004-08-16
Excelsior, MN | Hey Qwest what are you going to do about us up here in MN?? | |
| | | RideFree
join:2003-11-03
Denver, CO
| Re: Community broadband "Hey Qwest what are you going to do about us up here in MN??"
Probably freeze. 
signed,
NormlFromMN
At least I'm now close to normal after my ears defrosted.
(Froze 3x the winter of '55. Last January was a little tough, too.)
»www.citypages.com/databank/25/12···2751.asp
Of course, it did not compare to the winter of 1822 and that December. | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
 ·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| We dont need franchises ? do we I remenber in another discussing i said just this, Of course the poorer, less affluent will be skipped over. But people all they said were "we need a second choice" and they dont care about franchise agreements, they wanted another choice.
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Mountaineer1
Big WVU Fan
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join:2002-01-12
Universe
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1 edit | Permission? This is news? SBC(now att)has been laying fiber here in OKC to new developments and rich neighborhoods,for the last two years. I asked a tech. running the fiber when they would be laying fiber to existing neighborhoods,and his reply was "there are no plans to lay fiber in old areas of town,only to new developing areas were no copper exists." So as far as permission,they never asked before. | |
| | | cooperaaaron
join:2004-04-10
Joliet, IL | Re: Permission? What if that "old" area became more affuent? What about neighborhoods that are being transformed with upscale homes being built in these areas ? | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | 5megs? Fibre. 5mb? why bother? unless you're deploying in the sticks where theres only dial up and satellite. typical qworst crapola.
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HotRodFoto
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join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO
| Re: Qwest trying to make a profit - What a nerve!! said by TKJunkMail  :Wow what a nerve Qwest has in trying to make a profit by putting their expensive equipment and rollout costs where it will earn them the most income - wealthier neighborhoods. The reverend's complaints are just more of the same nonsense the liberals always trot out, and they want broadband to be just one more welfare benefit for the Democratic voters. Blah blah blah,.....you know not EVEYTHING is political. The fact remains, they are doin bizz down and dirty, and Qwest is FAR from one to bitch. Look at the insider trader issues.
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
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1 edit | Sweet Bleedin' Jeebus on a Garage Creeper,
No matter that these companies have suckled at the taxpayer's sugartit for lo, these many years, right? Let 'em abdicate their responsibilities to the larger community, right? After all, "personal responsibility" is for someone, anyone, everyone ELSE, right? Certainly not Our Gods, the almighty corporations. After all, they are Our Betters, and we live in this nation and world at their sufferance, right? | |
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HotRodFoto
Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO
| Re: Smart Business Plan And like you can survive bustin yer a$$ at Ronnie's Supper Lounge? Maybe, MAYBE in 1987, these days not a chance. The point is this---everyone should have access plain and simple. Heck, maybe they could even get an education online. It does make for interesting discussion...and let us not forget that many ISP's have a lower and cheaper tier, Qwest just isn't one of them. There is NO point in running fiber to one of Denver's richest communities, Lone Tree, at a speed cable is still superior to. That is like winning a Ferrari and only being able to drive it on Sundays between the hours of 12 noon and 3pm.
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jhboricua
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join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
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1 edit | said by r81984 :"a business plan that will largely exclude African-American, Hispanic and working-class communities from the latest 21st century advanced broadband services."You will only be left out if you cannot afford it. Why wire an area when not one person there can afford the service??? How is it the companies fault when statistics from African-American neighborhoods say they cannot afford their service. If anything those communities are racist for fueling stereo types instead of not having kids, not using welfare, and not getting jobs. To the person who says they cannot find a job, I will show you a mcdonalds that is always hiring. Just because the job sucks does not mean you can sit around and do nothing while calling everyone racist for not giving you free stuff. Uh, where does it say that they can't afford it? Oh, I get it!! To you use of the term 'African-American, Hispanic and working-class communities' must mean that these people are on welfare, have tons of kids irresponsibly and don't want to work. Wow, maybe you should apply for a job with the Qwest lobbying team, you'll fit right in.
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| | | compton
join:2002-02-08
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: Smart Business Plan said by jhboricua :said by r81984 :"a business plan that will largely exclude African-American, Hispanic and working-class communities from the latest 21st century advanced broadband services."You will only be left out if you cannot afford it. Why wire an area when not one person there can afford the service??? How is it the companies fault when statistics from African-American neighborhoods say they cannot afford their service. If anything those communities are racist for fueling stereo types instead of not having kids, not using welfare, and not getting jobs. To the person who says they cannot find a job, I will show you a mcdonalds that is always hiring. Just because the job sucks does not mean you can sit around and do nothing while calling everyone racist for not giving you free stuff. Uh, where does it say that they can't afford it? Oh, I get it!! To you use of the term 'African-American, Hispanic and working-class communities' must mean that these people are on welfare, have tons of kids irresponsibly and don't want to work. Wow, maybe you should apply for a job with the Qwest lobbying team, you'll fit right in. The minority community can afford Cable TV, satellite TV, Cable modem, DSL, cell phones and pots telephony, and we are to believe they can't afford fiber. Not to mention fiber is competing with all those services on price. | |
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FightingBlue
@direcpc.com
| Re: Smart Business Plan BING BING BING BING BING! Congratulations, you just won the prize for actual logic! It's true, there is nothing at all to say that just because a community is primarily non-white, it can't afford luxuries. The assumption that it's otherwise is at best gross cluelessness and class elitism--at worst it's not-so-subtle discrimination. | |
| | chesney09
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join:2004-07-26
Redford, MI
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| Look, MOST of the less affluent, inner-city, etc etc.. Don;t pay their bills as it is..
If I were a business, it wouldn't be my first choice in a new technology deployment.
All fo the new technologies and network buildouts are coming at the cost of the company now and not based off the old Telco infrastructure.. Gotta make sure you get the most bang for your buck I guess the old adage goes. | |
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jhboricua
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join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
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| Re: Smart Business Plan said by chesney09 :Look, MOST of the less affluent, inner-city, etc etc.. Don;t pay their bills as it is.. If I were a business, it wouldn't be my first choice in a new technology deployment. MOST??? And your basing that off?
said by chesney09 :All fo the new technologies and network buildouts are coming at the cost of the company now and not based off the old Telco infrastructure.. Gotta make sure you get the most bang for your buck I guess the old adage goes. If the cable companies did it, the phone company can do it too.
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HotRodFoto
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join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO
| Holy Stereotypes Batman! I don't know where you live, but that isn't the situation here....sheesh. "Most" What cracks me up is that I see more foreclosure signs in the burbs than in the inner city. Go figure. Just a ridicules statement to even make.
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| | Kip patterson
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join:2000-10-23
Columbus, OH | Gee, you look pretty racist to me. And, I'm you're typical WASP.
What crap. | |
| | | chesney09
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join:2004-07-26
Redford, MI
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| Re: Smart Business Plan Who mentioned anything about race?? Race has nothing to do with it.
My "MOST" stereotypes were stressed in CAPS becasue it isn't an absolute.. It is a common sense observation and there is actually plenty to back it up. Pick nearly any big city... Unemployment is higher, Poverty is higher, crime is higher, people on Gov support is higher.
I live in a burb of Detroit.. I don;t care if you are purple, white, black, hispanic or green... if I am.. say SBC.. I am not going to rush to deploy FIOS or VDSL2 first to those areas where I am going to have to guess at penetration numbers, retention numbers, delinquency numbers, theft of equipment, and on and on. That is just the plain truth.
I am certainly not 'Affluent' and where I live is likely to not be on the top of the list... But, that is the way business runs. It has nothing to do with Racism but more of just wise business plans. | |
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FightingBlue
@direcpc.com
| Let's map this out--low-income communities are racist because you think that everyone who works for a living and doesn't have the luck to be born into an upper income neighborhood is on welfare and having too many kids? Something's not kosher with that logic. Telling them to get a job flipping burgers is the hight of idiocy. If you knew jack shit before you opened your mouth, you'd know that:
1) That sort of job provides subsistence wages, nothing more.
2) The reason most poor people are poor is specifically because the only jobs available are menial, low-paying labor at McDonalds or WalMart.
3) The vast, vast majority of welfare recipients already work full time or more.
And in case you didn't notice, one of the biggest tools for education and advancement in the last 10 years has been the internet. If you expect the poor to better themselves, would you rather give them the tools to do so--considering that they don't have either the money or the leisure time for more formal education--or do you just want to complain about thems lazy negroes? | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
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New Jersey | ..So cable can...Telco cant. So basicly cable can serve an entire town regardless of "affluence", and telco cant. Looks like cable wins again..
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| | radarman
join:2005-06-01
Odenton, MD | Re: ..So cable can...Telco cant. Telco's can't redline for basic telephone service. Apparently, FIOS is still up in the air, as it isn't considered a utility like phone service is. | |
| id_deleted
join:2003-05-01
Salt Lake City, UT
1 edit | We don't need no stinking capped Qwest fiber.. It's really all about the fact that Utopia will likely run Qwest out of town on a fair playing field. Both Qwest and Comcast have tried every dirty trick they could come up with to prevent Utopia's deployment. Qwest finding a way for an unfair competitive advantage is just another example of how they do business. Qwest lost my business over 7 yrs ago due to their shoddy billing practices and low quality service, not a chance in hell I would ever go back. Until Utopia is available, I will stick with comcast, and enjoy my 6mb/sec bandwidth. | |
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DFW
@qwest.net | Re: We don't need no stinking capped Qwest fiber.. "Until Utopia is available, I will stick with comcast, and enjoy my 6mb/sec bandwidth."
Qwest has 7mb downloads and 896k uploads. The last I checked, Comcast only had 384k uploads and a shared network.
Hmmm | |
| radarman
join:2005-06-01
Odenton, MD
| What's the problem? Folks, Internet connections are not a basic requirement for life, and neither is TV (yes, I know - that may come as a shock for some)
Basic telephone service is one thing (though I think it also qualifies as a "luxury") but Internet service and IPTV? When I was growing up, I was informed that the basic necessities for life were food, water, breathable air, and protection from harsh environments (shelter/clothing). I don't recall hearing about how the cavemen sued their local utility for redlining their part of the mountain.
I don't see what is so bad about companies looking at the map, selecting the areas most likely to return maximal revenue, and building there first. They aren't stupid - they know they will have to grow the business to succeed, so eventually they will start serving other areas. They have to, or someone else will - but the capital from that initial build-out has to cover the expenses of the expansion. If they decide that an area isn't worth expanding into, for whatever reason, so what? Perhaps they are right.
Besides, we need to leave all this "entitlement" crap in the toilet where it belongs. | |
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packetscan
Premium
join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs: | BS Every AREA should get equal treatment..
WTF are they thinking?
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GNU2PC
@kcnet.com | Re: BS Equal treament in this case isn't good business sense on one hand and on the other, this type of position leans towards socialism. Business is grown where the opportunities present themselves. This is a case where the only color is seen is green. | |
| | | compton
join:2002-02-08
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: BS said by GNU2PC :
Equal treament in this case isn't good business sense on one hand and on the other, this type of position leans towards socialism. Business is grown where the opportunities present themselves. This is a case where the only color is seen is green.
Why shouldn't there be equal treatment. Fiber services are no more expensive than the alternatives. There is no reason to believe that working class neighborhoods can't afford the $100 a month bundled FIOS/fiber services considering those neighborhoods are usually paying more for similar services. I say government should find a way of creating more competition. That will make redlining moot. | |
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FightingBlue
@direcpc.com
| You're missing the point, and being an ass too. You're assuming that any time that someone complains about bias, that they're exploiting the color of their skin to get their own way. This is a bullshit assumption, and if you were on the other side of it I think that you'd be less inclined to make such assumptions.
The company isn't trying to delay, they're trying to get out of EVER having to provide service to minority neighborhoods. This is illegal, plain and simple. It's been illegal since the 1970s. | |
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Cjaiceman
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join:2004-10-12
Parker, CO | Re: You're missing the point, and being an ass too I think I will just stay with my 8megs from comtrash.  | |
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