 anderboy
join:2007-07-23
Leander, TX | Interesting... Where's the subsidy? I got a Dell Mini Netbook for the non-subsidized price of $199. | |
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imanogre
join:2005-11-29
Mcdonough, GA | Re: Interesting... Where's the subsidy? Where!!! | |
| brianw1957
join:2006-01-24
West Jordan, UT
| Bring it on Qwest, sign me up... 2 years for 7Mbps.
Oh wait, you still don't offer that speed in my "low rent" area.
Cherry Picker, time to fire off another letter to the Mayor of West Jordan, bring on UTOPIA, burdened with debt or not. I'm tired of promises of higher speeds.
If you are so flush with monies that you can offer this, but don't give a fark about lower profit markets, then I think you're doing your Cherry Picking right. Cheers
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Re: Bring it on I hear you, Even though I have a so-called 7 meg connection a Netbook does not interest me and a 2 year contract to use it interests me even less. | |
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Hazy Arc
join:2006-04-10
Greenwood, SC |  Fiber Optic?
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| | fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20 | Re: Fiber Optic? The Cross or the "*" is the most common used symbol in the telephone industries marketing toolbox... everything is footnoted with "even more" terms and conditions*... | |
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Premium
join:2001-12-22
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1 edit | Re: Fiber Optic? said by fiberguy  :The Cross or the "*" is the most common used symbol in the telephone industries marketing toolbox... everything is footnoted with "even more" terms and conditions*... That pretty applies to just about any other marketing department as well, doesn't it? I just checked to see my local cable company is using it on their pages to fine print the details of the service (not available in all areas, speed not guaranteed, etc., etc.) | |
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Re: Fiber Optic? said by Turbocpe :said by fiberguy :The Cross or the "*" is the most common used symbol in the telephone industries marketing toolbox... everything is footnoted with "even more" terms and conditions*... That pretty applies to just about any other marketing department as well, doesn't it? I just checked to see my local cable company is using it on their pages to fine print the details of the service (not available in all areas, speed not guaranteed, etc., etc.) Ummm.. no. Not in the way I was stating it..
I'm sorry, but if you can't see what I"m talking about, then you're either in a rare exception, not paying close attention, or are slanted in view.
If you look at the telephone print ads vs. cable (since you're comparing) you will see that a large portion of the lower end of the flyer is nothing but fine print of about 10 or more items that make a HUGE difference to the offering being presented. Cable has them too, yes, however, they usually say like you did.. speed not guaranteed, doesn't include tax and franchise fee, and that the rate reverts to full price at the end of a promo.
The telephone ops tend to advertise some $89 offering and then put about 10 hoops you have to jump through in order to simply get it.. to me, there is a HUGE difference. The fine print shouldn't define the actual offer, rather, explain the things that the government says you need to say.
Qwest is running a radio ad slamming comcast in this area. It's damn near sickening that 15 seconds of the 30 second spot is devoted to the hoops alone that you have to jump through to get their package and I can tell you, out of 15 seconds, only a brief moment does it say "20meg not available in all areas".. | |
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Premium
join:2001-12-22
IA
4 edits | Re: Fiber Optic? said by fiberguy :said by Turbocpe :said by fiberguy :The Cross or the "*" is the most common used symbol in the telephone industries marketing toolbox... everything is footnoted with "even more" terms and conditions*... That pretty applies to just about any other marketing department as well, doesn't it? I just checked to see my local cable company is using it on their pages to fine print the details of the service (not available in all areas, speed not guaranteed, etc., etc.) Ummm.. no. Not in the way I was stating it.. I'm sorry, but if you can't see what I"m talking about, then you're either in a rare exception, not paying close attention, or are slanted in view. Nice opening to a response that questions your view. Just insult them by suggesting their view may be slanted. I'm sorry, but the suggestion that my view may be slanted, coming from you, when your account has a longer and more known history of any slant view (against the telcos), is ironic.
said by fiberguy :If you look at the telephone print ads vs. cable (since you're comparing) you will see that a large portion of the lower end of the flyer is nothing but fine print of about 10 or more items that make a HUGE difference to the offering being presented. Cable has them too, yes, however, they usually say like you did.. speed not guaranteed, doesn't include tax and franchise fee, and that the rate reverts to full price at the end of a promo. I'm interested to see a physical difference in how "HUGE" the difference is. Since you are making the claim, can you provide the specific details? You admit cable does the same thing, so why is cable's fine print acceptable, while the telco's is apparently not? Both define the actual offer with rules, regulations and terms.
said by fiberguy :The telephone ops tend to advertise some $89 offering and then put about 10 hoops you have to jump through in order to simply get it.. to me, there is a HUGE difference. The fine print shouldn't define the actual offer, rather, explain the things that the government says you need to say. Since when does the fine print not define the actual offer?!?
For example, you claim that the fine print should not define the offer. So when my cable company runs specials, and footnotes that I must be a new customer to receive those offers, how is that NOT defining the offer? When they run those commercials on TV, they're using a nice little footnote at the bottom of the screen that says "new customers only". You state it should explain things that the government says they need to say. I don't think the government is going to care if I'm a new cable customer or not.
said by fiberguy :Qwest is running a radio ad slamming comcast in this area. It's damn near sickening that 15 seconds of the 30 second spot is devoted to the hoops alone that you have to jump through to get their package and I can tell you, out of 15 seconds, only a brief moment does it say "20meg not available in all areas".. I'm not aware of this one. Qwest, and Mediacom, have both radio and TV air time and both have their "fine prints".
I'm still uncertain as to how cable's fine print is apparently OK, while telco's fine print isn't. You admitted cable does the same fine print, but you give them a free pass. Apparently it's length of fine print? It cannot be due to the fact of defining the offer, because BOTH do it.
I never suggested one company or industry is doing it over the other. You did. BOTH do it, to a certain degree, and if you cannot see that, then you have the slanted view. | |
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
2 edits | Re: Fiber Optic? Read the dang ads and get over yourself.. the proof is in front of you.. chose to ignore it and that's your problem, not mine.
Shall I scan and post a few for you? .. why should I waste the time when you wouldn't believe it if it was put in front of your face.
Your post/reply or what ever you want to call it gives me no reason to believe otherwise.
I never said they both did the same thing - try reading the very post you're trying to pick apart before you incriminate yourself. | |
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Premium
join:2001-12-22
IA
4 edits | Re: Fiber Optic? said by fiberguy :Read the dang ads and get over yourself.. the proof is in front of you.. chose to ignore it and that's your problem, not mine. Once again, advise coming from someone, of all people, who needs to follow it himself.
said by fiberguy :I never said they both did the same thing - try reading the very post you're trying to pick apart before you incriminate yourself. You apparently don't remember what you type and cannot even look for yourself. Per your own response, below, you admit cable has the same fine print:
said by fiberguy :If you look at the telephone print ads vs. cable (since you're comparing) you will see that a large portion of the lower end of the flyer is nothing but fine print of about 10 or more items that make a HUGE difference to the offering being presented. Cable has them too, yes, however, they usually say like you did.. speed not guaranteed, doesn't include tax and franchise fee, and that the rate reverts to full price at the end of a promo. You're making excuses and giving cable companies a free pass for doing the same thing telcos are doing, as you admitted above, by claiming cables companies fine prints are usually about X and X. IT'S STILL FINE PRINT ABOUT THE DEAL ITSELF AND QUALIFICATIONS - WHICH IS WHAT YOU STATED IS THE PROBLEM WITH TELCOS. You conveniently ignore that cable companies have their own "hoops" to jump through about their own offers. Who has the slanted view?
Sorry, fiberguy , but you're the one who has a long history on this site with slanted views and being called out for being full of himself. You made the initial claim by stating telcos are apparently the only ones, of all marketing businesses, that uses such fine print to define their deals. | |
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uradmbass
@qwest.net
| said by fiberguy :The Cross or the "*" is the most common used symbol in the telephone industries marketing toolbox... everything is footnoted with "even more" terms and conditions*... and the dollar sign, or $, is the cable companies most used symbol. | |
| | eddieck
join:2009-07-04
Tucson, AZ | It's fiber to the node (a la U-Verse), not fiber to the premises like FiOS. That's what the * means. | |
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Hazy Arc
join:2006-04-10
Greenwood, SC | Re: Fiber Optic? I know that...I'm just trying to find the footnote. I can't find it anywhere. | |
| | Hanko
join:2001-12-28
Eatonville, WA | I talked with the Qwest Technician who was working on one of the remote boxes, he said they would be installing fiber to the box and copper from there to your premise. | |
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djdanska
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Glen Ellyn, IL
clubs: | Not the best price... My acer aspire one was only $229. It may have been refurbished, but for what i needed it for, was fine. | |
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Longtym Qym
@mn.us | I'd much rather get Qwest naked dsl and provide my own appliance and, in Qwest territory, use USFamily.net for the ISP. They have excellent service by real actual human beings who know and do things. | |
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