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'Turnaround specialist' says the time is right for a deal
(old news - 06:28PM Tuesday Dec 16 2008)
tags: competition · business · alternatives · telco · Qwest.net
Talk of Qwest being an acquisition target was reheated this week thanks to a report by Wall Street analyst and self-proclaimed "turnaround specialist" George Putnam. Putnam thinks Qwest would be a tasty snack for AT&T, Verizon, or a foreign company eager to establish a "beachhead" for a broader assault on the U.S. telecom scene. In his latest turnaround newsletter, Putnam says Qwest's done a good job at reducing costs, while the analyst gets excited about, of all things, Qwest's dying landline customer base:
Management's challenge is too maximize the value of its assets. One of Qwest's greatest assets, and biggest challenges, is its huge traditional landline telephone business. The landline business is in a slow but steady decline as customers move to wireless or Internet telephony. But each landline customer also represents the opportunity to sell new or expanded services, including data, video and wireless.
The problem is that Qwest lacks a wireless division, and their relatively un-aggressive ADSL2+ "next-gen" deployment plans may not fend off DOCSIS 3.0 cable. But they have streamlined in an admitted effort to attract suitors, and Putnam isn't the first Wall Street stock jock to find Qwest's tight purse strings and thrifty ways sexy. Of course the credit crunch might have something to say about any more huge deals, and it's hard to think an AT&T or Verizon acquisition of Qwest would see regulatory approval under a Democratically-controlled FCC.

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CCNnorthcali

join:2004-03-07
Tempe, AZ
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I Wouldn't Mind...

Verizon would maybe give Cox some competition in Arizona.

jackknife

join:2001-02-24
Phoenix, AZ
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Re: I Wouldn't Mind...

Cox serves hardly anyone in Arizona. In the Phoenix area alone, they probably reach less than 50% of population. In most of the rural areas, other cable companies serve the population.

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ

said by CCNnorthcali See Profile :

Verizon would maybe give Cox some competition in Arizona.
yeah! i wouldn't mind 20m symmetrical for what i pay for 15/1.5
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Austinloop

join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX

Who wants Qwest?

I would think that neither Verizon nor AT&T would want all of Qwest. A lot of Qwest is miles and miles of unpopulated areas leading to a ranch. Really not much of a good business deal. The cities might have some good points, but the majority of Qwest's territory is a real low performer from a business standpoint.
ashworth

join:2001-10-06
Pittsburgh, PA
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: Who wants Qwest?

Qwest has a good backbone (not that ATT or VZ need that), but they have a considerable long distance business and the bigger cities in the west. Regulators I doubt would approve a sale to ATT, based on anti-competitive issues. So, VZ would seem to be the logical suitor, if they have any cash left in the coffers.
Austinloop

join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX

Re: Who wants Qwest?

You have some valid points, but, would VZ want them on a buyer take all. Some of their local service areas would be terrible to maintain, as I said, miles and miles from point A to point B. You might interest a buyer in the long distance business and taking some of the bigger cities, but the rural areas of Wyoming, etc., would not really be profitable.

Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net

said by Austinloop See Profile :

A lot of Qwest is miles and miles of unpopulated areas leading to a ranch.
At least in Wyoming Qwest has dumped most of these areas to local companies, such as Union Telephone Company.
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spectra

join:2000-07-21
Tempe, AZ

It would be great

While it would be nice if VZ or ATT scooped up Qwest, I don't really see it happening in the near future (2-3 years) because of the current state of the economy. In my opinion, Qwest does not have much to offer to those two anyway. Qwest only has a few large markets to tap into, and the rest of their footprint is fairly rural.
dynodb
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join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN

Re: It would be great

said by spectra See Profile :

While it would be nice if VZ or ATT scooped up Qwest, I don't really see it happening in the near future (2-3 years) because of the current state of the economy. In my opinion, Qwest does not have much to offer to those two anyway. Qwest only has a few large markets to tap into, and the rest of their footprint is fairly rural.
Qwest does have a lot of sparcely populated territory, but let's not assume that their entire territory is rural.

Phoenix metro- 4 million
Seattle metro- 3 million
Denver metro- 2.5 million
Minneapolis metro- 3 million
Portland metro- 2 million
Tucson metro- 1 million
Salt Lake City metro- 1 million

Throw in Omaha, Eugene, Yuma, Boise and other mid-sized cities and there's more than a few desireable markets there.

Some rural areas are served by ILECs (some were sold off by Qwest), but add up the population of the 14 states in Qwest's territory and you get 40 million people.
Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

Re: It would be great

AT&T is a possibility if the price is to their liking but Verizon would want to cherry pick Arizona, Oregon, Washington and possibly Colorado and leave the other ten states to somebody else.
spectra

join:2000-07-21
Tempe, AZ

Dynodb,

I did not say their entire footprint is rural. I said other than a few large markets, it’s fairly (mostly) rural.

I have always claimed that the Phoenix, Denver, and Minneapolis are Qwest's largest markets. But those are their only real "large" markets. My definition of a “large” market would be an excess of 1-1.5 million in the surrounding metro. I’ve been to Tucson and SLC. They don’t feel like “large” cities because it so spread out, compared to a place like Baltimore (similar population size) or Philly where it’s really dense. FWIW, I grew up in the D.C. metro.

I’m inclined to not include Seattle or Portland as a market that Qwest can have 100% access to because they aren’t the only telco in those cities; VZ services significant portion of subscribers there. I'd say the Seattle area more so than Portland. I believe Omaha is the same, based on the fact that I have seen U-Verse reviews from people there. You probably know more about this than I do.

But unfortunately for Qwest, compared to Verizon and ATT regions, Qwest in general services areas which are low in population density and really just aren’t that big of metro areas. Verizon alone can make a fortune just by servicing the old Bell Atlantic/NYNEX areas. Then tack on Los Angeles/Orange County, Dallas/Fort Worth, Portland, Seattle to their footprint, and then you can really see how many customers they reach in a relatively small area. DSL, FTTH, and FTTN penetration rates are probably much higher because of the density of their respective regions.

In addition, household incomes are on average much higher in the areas where Verizon and ATT services; they can charge more, provide more services, etc.

I guess my point is, at this point in time, Qwest doesn’t seem attractive enough for Verizon or ATT. Those two are already taking on debt already from their own projects, they each have their own shareholders to please, and because of the economy, they aren’t likely to buy a company who isn’t in the greatest of financial health at the moment..

But It may change in the next couple years, who knows?
MightyPez

join:2002-05-01
Saint Paul, MN
·Comcast

Please, someone buy them out

Someone halfway competent that is willing to deploy some actual competition to Comcast.

Qwest has been touting FTTN in the Twin Cities for the last 6 months are so, but maybe a handful of regions have access to it. So that means at best most areas in MN get the $43 1.5/768 compared to a similarly priced 12/2 blast tier from Comcast.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: Please, someone buy them out

Sounds just like AT$T so you wouldn't have anything new with them.

And VZ would take forever to build out the Twin Cities.
JesseHarris

join:2008-07-30
Sandy, UT

Oh, they're ripe alright

Just in all of the wrong ways.

Iluvlites

@qwest.net

Re: Oh, they're ripe alright

MAN YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH QWEST!!!! RIPE IS RIGHT! HAVEN'T BATHED IN MONTHS!!
Metatron2008

join:2008-09-02
Stockbridge, GA

Craig Moffet must be so proud.

»Craig Moffett: Network Upgrades Are For Ninnies
viperlmw
Premium
join:2005-01-25
·Qwest.net

Happens every year...

Someone has been pushing a 'Qwest sale/merger' story for 3-4 years now, never happens, can't really see it happening. Qwest DOES make around $600 million a year profit, but has to many issues (FCC, territory, landlines, wireless, management, etc.) for anyone with the kind of money necessary to do a deal, IMHO.

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:

VZ no way.

Verizon just sold off its rural areas and I can't see a real telephone company wanting all of Quest.

The people demanded Ma Bell be dismembered and yet the people bitch.

Xizer

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

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Hooray!

The re-formation of the old AT&T monopoly is almost complete! Does anyone remember why the government ever broke up this corporation anyway?

PhoenixDown
-- Wants FIOS
Premium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
clubs:

Re: Hooray!

Nope
Tigerpaw509
Premium
join:2006-07-15
Huntley, IL
It was att who broke themselfs up so they could sell computers.Att told judge Green how it was going to be done,this is in the history books

Dezbend
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-20

The competitive landscape has changed in the past 25 years... if you don't like your Telco, you can go with a wireless solution, or cable, or even a CLEC.

If AT&T bought Qwest, there would not be a net lose in competition - I doubt AT&T or Verizon want Qwest (if they wanted to they could have picked it up when finiancing was readily available).
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dmwagner
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join:2002-04-29
Canton, SD
Yep, no foolin'

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b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?

join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA

Oh please please Verizon buy my local Qwest

I am in a small Qwest town surrounded by Verizon.

I would love to see Verizon buy Qwest and bring FiOS to our area.

Dezbend
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-20

Re: Oh please please Verizon buy my local Qwest

why? so they could sell you off to a company like the Carlyle group...

Verizon's business model doesn't include small towns.
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mystryfiostk

join:2008-07-17
00000

Re: Oh please please Verizon buy my local Qwest

said by Dezbend See Profile :

why? so they could sell you off to a company like the Carlyle group...

Verizon's business model doesn't include small towns.
actually, Bellingham would be prime. Existing Verizon COs ring the town. The city has a population of about 100,000 and FiOS is already deployed or on its way just a few miles down the road in Mt. Vernon/Burlington.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable

Re: Oh please please Verizon buy my local Qwest

being deployed and on its way are two different things. Especially when it comes to VZ and FiOS. And just because VZ is next to you doesn't mean they'll ever buy your area or if they did does not mean they'll give you FiOS. ROI could be horrible in your city but not the next town over.
b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?

join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
·Comcast Formerly ..

Re: Oh please please Verizon buy my local Qwest

said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

And just because VZ is next to you doesn't mean they'll ever buy your area or if they did does not mean they'll give you FiOS. ROI could be horrible in your city but not the next town over.
Verizon is not just "next to us" Verizon surrounds us. Everything outside the city limits for the entire county is Verizon.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable

Re: Oh please please Verizon buy my local Qwest

Verizon serves a good chunk of Toledo too. But doesn't mean they want toledo. They left what they don't want to ATT and left it at that.

They're not worried about picking up any more cities instead they're more worried about offloading them to some one that wants to pay for all the debt and get out of it with a nice tax write off.

mystryfiostk

join:2008-07-17
00000

Re: Oh please please Verizon buy my local Qwest

being an orphaned pocket of gte or contel in a small city like toledo is one thing.

but skagit county is an extension of the seattle metro area.

big difference.
b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?

join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
·Comcast Formerly ..

Re: Oh please please Verizon buy my local Qwest

said by mystryfiostk See Profile :

but skagit county is an extension of the seattle metro area.


LOL, you are not from around here are you?

There is 60 miles of farm land between the edge of the Seattle metropolitan area (lets say north Everett) and Mt Vernon. Matter of fact Seattle proper is about 100 miles from Mt Vernon.

mystryfiostk

join:2008-07-17
00000

ok, let me put it better for you, hotboy.

FiOS IS available and still building in sedro wooley, burlinton and mt vernon which are about 20 miles south of bellingham.

but you could probably see this from 3315 west central avenue, huh?

b10010011
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Re: Oh please please Verizon buy my local Qwest

said by mystryfiostk See Profile :

ok, let me put it better for you, hotboy.

FiOS IS available and still building in sedro wooley, burlinton and mt vernon which are about 20 miles south of bellingham.

And all three of them put together might almost equal the population of Bellingham...
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
lol....thats not my address. not anywhere close.

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK

If it comes down to AT&T or Verizon I say....

... take the Foreign Country or Company! Then maybe one day we'd get some real competition going....
jrmorfin

join:2004-04-14
Ogden, UT

Verizon Please buy Qwest in Ogden, UT

Me wanty fios, please purchase qwest here in Ogden, UT!

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
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Phoenix, AZ

Re: Verizon Please buy Qwest in Ogden, UT

said by jrmorfin See Profile :

Me wanty fios, please purchase qwest here in Ogden, UT!
isn't utopia in utah?
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jrmorfin

join:2004-04-14
Ogden, UT

Re: Verizon Please buy Qwest in Ogden, UT

Not in Ogden

anonuser101

@rr.com

"Merger" hmmm!!!

I, actually think that AT&T will strike on this one, and buyout Quest Communcations International in full. I think the N.S.A will really benefit from this for homeland security issues, and with AT&T throwing 2 million dollars in every political party members campaign, in Washington D.C. and Kissing A%% with the government. I think the new Democratic FCC Chief whoever Mister, Obama chooses will see this as a great benefit to homeland Security, and the Department of Justice, will have no problem along with the Federal Trade Commission, both of them will have no problems getting this merger approved in a heart beat that is just my opinion. I maybe wrong and I dont know for sure.
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN

It's an FiOS freakout

You folks do realize that Verizon is only deploying FiOS to about half their current customers, right? Were Verizon to serve your area by means of buying Qwest, it doesn't follow that everyone gets FiOS and a free unicorn. Especially if you're in a rural area or small town. Even if they did, it would take years.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: It's an FiOS freakout

Not years-decades if not centuries with VZ

broadbndgeek
Premium
join:2000-08-03
Graham, WA

Re: It's an FiOS freakout

Can one say FDR retread? That is what Obama is. If we had a Conservative Republic government, like the good ole days in the beginning we would have competition. Democrats = Power not Freedom, Liberty and Competition, all three of the later is 4 yrs away unless the conservatives can win in 2010. Plus if Verizon bought Qwest doesn't necessarily mean FiOS would be available at your ranch. So if were lucky will at least get a reach around and get our 20Mbps/1Mbps up and should be happy why do you think Qwest supported the RNC? Get in the Loop!

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
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Re: It's an FiOS freakout

Yeah, really, everything you say must be true, because look at all that Freedom, Liberty and Competition the "Conservatives" brought us last few years.


Seriously dude.
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mystryfiostk

join:2008-07-17
00000
Talk about "retreads". The creeps you pine for are nothing more than retreads from good days of the Robber Barons. Learn a little history.
EPS

join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA

Merger

If any of the other two big telcos were going to buy Qwest, they'd have done it much earlier- it's not like Qwest's situation is new, after all, and waiting until now would mean having to go through the Obama administration, while the Bush administration is far more likely to approve such a merger. That's why the Alltel-VZW merger was done when it was, for example.
waiting4fios

join:2005-04-08
Howell, NJ
·Verizon FIOS

Verizon wouldn't buy Qwest

I don't think Verizon would buy Qwest just so they could deploy FiOS in Qwest areas. It would be much more likely that if Verizon wanted to deploy FiOS in Qwest territory, they would probably just overbuild since it would probably be cheaper than buying Qwest and getting stuck with rural territories that Verizon is shedding anyway. Buying Qwest would be like buying back what it sold to Fairpoint. I do believe Verizon extended FiOS to one town in Texas outside of its original territory and that was because they already had it in one part of the town that was served by them. Thus most likely they would follow that strategy instead of buying Qwest. at&t on the other hand seems like they'll buy just about anything.

bent
not broken
Premium
join:2004-10-04
Loveland, CO
clubs:

Replace the big blue Q...

...with a big red V. Please?
kieranmullen
Premium
join:2005-12-12
Portland, OR
clubs:

Am I correct?

I saw an ad the other day from Qwest business services with Verizon's logo in the top left corner?
pepperxn

join:2001-02-21

Re: Am I correct?

well, they do resell vzw service.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

This Old Telco...

Who wants to buy a rickity old telco with more legacy copper per square mile than any of the other telcos (at the start of *REAL* broadband upgrades) and huge costs to upgrade it's existing network-- add to that it's sizable debt load.. and you see why any sale pre-bankruptcy would be problematic for a buyer.

There is no doubt that I believe a viable market is there once upgrades (comparable to those in the northeast) become reality , however... without a buyer with 10-40 billion to drop on the project, it won't get done. There is a possibility that some money will come from the government for rural building & universal access, but it is doubtful they will drop money down a black hole.. the telco will be accountable for doing exactly as the money prescribes. We've also heard very little from the State governments for whom the Qwest footprint covers. Why have they been so lax over the past 2+ decades about Qwests investment on infrastructure? The money that was spent, just in the last 8-10 years could have funded cumulative fiber upgrades instead of maintaining & rehabbing copper for dsl... even if it was ONE block, c/o at at time.

** One last thing.. I doubt any company wants Qwest. Unless maybe the Mexican Phone Company buys Qwest..TDM? Or possibly having ALL the minority carriers merge into a syndicate and runs Qwest collectively.

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