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join:2002-05-09
Kent, WA | Re: Screenshots? Golden? Is this what you were looking for?
»/speak/slidesh···NA%3D%3D
This came from the "new signup for 20/5.." thread | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: Screenshots? Golden? Something like that, though another one would be nice. I saw that one when it was posted. | |
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| azzonie
join:2004-04-13
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: 85% Rule The overhead has nothing to do with "overprovisioning". The advertised speed is what the device trains at. Read here about DSL overhead.
»pflog.net/dsl_overhead/
said by iansltx  :Looks like they're still including verbiage about their connections only reaching 85% of advertised speeds...in 2009. Hey guys, ever heard of something called "overprovisioning" to get the connection up to the actual advertised speeds? Comcast does it and guess what, you're competing against them. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
 ·Comcast
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| Re: 85% Rule I'm very aware of ATM (not necessarily DSL) overhead. If all internet had ATM overhead then okay, maybe advertising one speed and delivering another would be justified. However cable internet and non-ATM DSL techs (including GPON) don't have the majority of that overhead, and Comcast actually overprovisions their cable services to make perfectly sure everyone gets the speeds adversied, even when PowerBoost wears off.
So I maintain that Qwest should either overprovision the line or stop the false advertising of their, for example, 12 Mbit service as a comparable alternative to Comcast's service of the same speed.
Before you say anything else, I have had a Qwest DSL account, have used Qwest DSL recently and have used another provider's DSL that doesn't overprovision (Windstream in my area) but still uses ATM. I've also used providers that do overprovision (Comcast on cable, Embarq on DSL) and it doesn't take much to square speeds away with what people actually expect. I think it's not too far-fetched to actually be able to push 875 KB/s over a 7 Mbit connection, even if I have to use UDP to do that. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by iansltx :Looks like they're still including verbiage about their connections only reaching 85% of advertised speeds...in 2009. Hey guys, ever heard of something called "overprovisioning" to get the connection up to the actual advertised speeds? Comcast does it and guess what, you're competing against them. So does verizon DSL. but this is qworst. standard operating procedure for the bottomfeeder of telco's.
15% of 40mb and 20mb is 6mbps down and 3mbps up is what you're giving up because they still want to cheap out and use tired old PPPoE/PPPoA.
it'll be still distance sensitive so don't think just because you have 1.5mbps qwest DSL that you can pick up the phone and upgrade to 40/20!
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: 85% Rule It's not PPPoX that kills most of that 15% (though it does shave off a bit). The big problem is ATM...that's where the big performance losses are, because ATM cells are 53 bytes and nothing else is that length. | |
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brianw1957
join:2006-01-24
West Jordan, UT
| Cherry Picking... again. "Select markets" I can say this, I live in West Jordan, UT, and I'm still only getting 1.5. The promise of faster service has again failed to make it to less than profitable areas and markets.
It looks again like a bit of cherry picking from where I sit.
Does anyone know the secret to getting a remote terminal upgraded? I was told to write a letter to the CEO, but haven't figured out just where one would send it.
Anyone else in WJ wishing or have any luck with this?
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| MightyPez
join:2002-05-01
Saint Paul, MN | Re: Cherry Picking... again. "Select markets" Even worse, I have lived in Saint Paul and surrounding suburbs. I have never been able to get above 1.5mbit service from them despite advertising their 7mbit service for years.
I'll believe this when I see it. | |
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| | Big Dawg 23
join:2002-03-27
Northfield, MN | Re: Cherry Picking... again. "Select markets" I am in Northfield. Thankfully I have Charters 20/2mb not the fast 1.5mb they tried to sell me | |
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BBBanditRuR
join:2009-06-02
Parachute, CO
·Comcast
·Qwest.net
| Re: Cherry Picking... again. "Select markets" Upon canceling my account (Crap 1.2 Mbps), the cs person sorrowfully told me, "Oh, sorry, looks like we don't offer any higher speeds for your area..., would you like six months free....". In any event, I flat out told her, "Look, your CEO said people don't care about speed, just "service". That philosophy is what lost me, you can't compete with DOCSIS 3.0, nor do you intend to do so. Please cancel my account.".
I hope they "recorded and analyzed my conversation with the service associate". | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | I am so excited Qwest annouces they will offer 40Mbps/20Mbps service in Cheyenne, Wyoming starting in the Spring of 2025.  I can't wait. | |
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join:2008-08-08
Parkville, MD
| Re: I am so excited said by Transmaster :Qwest annouces they will offer 40Mbps/20Mbps service in Cheyenne, Wyoming starting in the Spring of 2025. I can't wait. In 2025, that will be really slow! | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| Re: I am so excited said by AstroBoy :said by Transmaster :Qwest annouces they will offer 40Mbps/20Mbps service in Cheyenne, Wyoming starting in the Spring of 2025. I can't wait. In 2025, that will be really slow! Of course, Cheyenne will alway get 10 year old service today.
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join:2009-05-08
Laramie, WY | Yep. They will not upgrade any town in Wyoming, ever. The actuarial tables make it unprofitable for too long. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
·Comcast
·Qwest.net
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| Re: Cherry Picking... again. "Select markets" VDSL is a short-range tech last I checked, so you're MUCH more likely to get ADSL2+ than VDSL. Problem is, you're probably on a bonded-T1-powered node at the moment so they'd have to first upgrade you to FTTN before going to VDSL2 (which probably won't happen).
I'm in an urban area in Golden, CO (not far from Denver). No ADSL2+ here; a block over 7 Mbps is the top speed. At my location, 5 Mbps is (minus overhead of course). Yes, it's better than 1.5 but Comcast has made the upgrade to DOCSIS 2.0 at this point, so even when FTTN comes out it'll already be out of date.
Put into perspective, Comcast's second-lowest tier (Economy is cheaper than Qwest dry-line DSL FWIW) is faster in every way than Qwest's highest ADSL tier here. One megabit on uploads vs. about 716 after overhead, six megabits on downloads vs. about that much after overhead on Qwest. Except on Comcast PowerBoost will double or even quadruple download speeds and push uploads to 8-11 Mbps for the first few seconds of a download, while Qwest sits at their prescribed speeds for the entire duration.
Of course Golden, filled with college students as it is and relatively dense, would be a nice place to put some VDSL, but we don't even get FTTN so 99% of the people I know off-campus have Comcast. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| said by brianw1957 :I can say this, I live in West Jordan, UT, and I'm still only getting 1.5. The promise of faster service has again failed to make it to less than profitable areas and markets. It looks again like a bit of cherry picking from where I sit. Does anyone know the secret to getting a remote terminal upgraded? I was told to write a letter to the CEO, but haven't figured out just where one would send it. Anyone else in WJ wishing or have any luck with this? Thanks Go here: »news.qwest.com/company-management-mueller
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| | brianw1957
join:2006-01-24
West Jordan, UT | Re: Cherry Picking... again. "Select markets" To bad the email link is bogus...
Time to ask my Qwest employed brother for a hand here.
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qworst
@comcast.net | as a Sandy resident I had the same problem. It's inexcusable to only be able to get 1.5 megs in a fairly well populated and affluent area. I eventually got sick of Qwest's games.
I dropped Qwest for Comcast and have never been happier. | |
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| | rahvin112
join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
1 edit | Re: Cherry Picking... again. "Select markets" Accidental Double post. Sorry | |
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| | rahvin112
join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
| I'm in Sandy at around 9500 south 2200 east. There is Remote CO (Brick building, probably 10x15 in size) that I know has a fiber loop to it from the CO that is probably less than 1000' from my home and I can only get 1.5 down. I made the mistake of sticking to 1.5 when the initial offer of DSL was available, because IIRC they did offer 7down in my neighborhood. I think the link is so saturated with customers that they will only offer 1.5 down now and they won't upgrade anyone.
To upgrade my neighborhood I think all they have to do is upgrade the equipment on either side of the Fiber loop so they have more than T1 capacity and it's been that way for more than 2 years now. Although the equipment isn't cheap it's way cheaper than digging a new fiber into the ground and they still haven't done even that. That's how bad their finances are. Don't hold out hope they will upgrade you to VDSL or ADSL2, they are going to hit urban denver as much as they can then ignore the rest us. The only area in SLC that's going to see the new speeds is likely Daybreak. | |
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woodward
XMission Broadband
VIP
join:2000-12-28
Salt Lake City, UT | Re: Cherry Picking... again. "Select markets" In north Sandy, a few blocks from the Midvale border, I can still only get 256k. | |
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Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| Re: Cherry Picking... again. "Select markets" said by woodward :In north Sandy, a few blocks from the Midvale border, I can still only get 256k. Have you checked recently? I heard that some VDSL2 remotes have been added in the Sandy area just in the past 3-4 weeks. No idea if any are close enough to you though. | |
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woodward
XMission Broadband
VIP
join:2000-12-28
Salt Lake City, UT
| Re: Cherry Picking... again. "Select markets" said by dynodb :Have you checked recently? I heard that some VDSL2 remotes have been added in the Sandy area just in the past 3-4 weeks. No idea if any are close enough to you though. Just tried again on your suggestion. Still 256k. Hasn't been an upgrade in the area in the 6 years I've owned the home. | |
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join:2002-12-26
Sandy, UT | I'm in northern Sandy... and according to Qwest's web site I qualify for the 40/20 service. I've had the 12/.896 service for about a year, and might go for the 12/5 upgrade. | |
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jinjimbob
Troy Mcclure
join:2001-11-13 | hmm Great, so the people who can already get the 7 Mbps, or 20 Mbps, can now get the 40 Mbps service.
Where the people who can get 1.5 Mbps service will be for ever stick at that service speed. | |
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| almaden
join:2004-03-03
Renton, WA
1 edit | Re: hmm Exactly, how about finishing the 12/20Mbps deployment before embarking on another project?
I've been looking to upgrade to 12 or 20Mbps (from 7) here in the suburbs of Seattle for the last year. Qwest even had a "fiber optic" billboard advert about 2 miles from my house.
I regularly go to Qwest's "Notfiy Me when new speeds are available" webpage. Half the time it says I don't have a valid Qwest phone number, and the other half it fails to load w/o a page error. | |
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ARGONAUT
got ping?
join:2006-01-24
New Albany, IN | wow After seeing comments it makes me glad I have cable net with InsightBB.  | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: wow said by ARGONAUT :After seeing comments it makes me glad I have cable net with InsightBB. Shows how DSL basically doesn't exist in the USA except as a budget service for people who think cable is too expensive.
Its funny, outside of North America, Cable HFC or plain 1 way analog Cable is almost non-existent. Cable TV is purely an American invention. In europe is OTA, or if your rich, satellite, same thing with 3rd world. The only wireline TV you can get is IPTV over ADSL from your incumbant telco, or from CLECs operating IPTV over copper ADSL, or recently FTTH was installed in your city (IPTV again). | |
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Ignite
Premium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK
clubs:
·BlueYonder Interne..
·Be There
1 edit | Re: wow said by patcat88 :Shows how DSL basically doesn't exist in the USA except as a budget service for people who think cable is too expensive. Its funny, outside of North America, Cable HFC or plain 1 way analog Cable is almost non-existent. Cable TV is purely an American invention. In europe is OTA, or if your rich, satellite, same thing with 3rd world. The only wireline TV you can get is IPTV over ADSL from your incumbant telco, or from CLECs operating IPTV over copper ADSL, or recently FTTH was installed in your city (IPTV again). Not sure if my cableco would agree with that being that they pass about 50% of the UK's homes. The analogue bit I'll agree on though, think you guys are pretty rare in upgrading HFC networks to higher frequencies to make room rather than just dropping analogue MATV signals.
Someone like Liberty Global's UPC might have questions too! »www.lgi.com/
You guys are certainly the daddy for cable TV though and you're dead right it's by far more ubiquitous in the US than anywhere else in the world except maybe Japan.
Don't need to be super rich to have satellite by the way, some quite decent relatively inexpensive deals are available | |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
Premium
join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
clubs:
·ViaTalk
| No Omaha I mean REALLY!????
Heck even Windstream is using the Qwest wire to do this now and they don't?
In the mid 90's Qwest was so competitive in Omaha with Cox, now they just gave up.
I swear if I hear or see a commercial or billboard for "Fiber Optic Qwest" again I am calling the PSC.
They claim to offer it, and put it in like 1 CO. | |
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Bink
join:2006-05-14
Denver, CO | Useless Marketing Banter More useless marketing banter. Wake me when these fast speeds are available to the majority of Qwest’s subscribers. | |
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sonicmerlin
join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH | meh This technology is 10 years too late and far too expensive. | |
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| dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| Re: meh said by sonicmerlin :This technology is 10 years too late and far too expensive. Wow. Do people really have such a short memory?
Broadband was still in it's infancy 10 years ago. Of those who could get it, 1.5M was fast, upstream speeds of 128k-384k were common, and 256k/256k was quite popular. FTTN and FTTH was almost completely unheard of outside of a pipe dream.
Just 5 years ago 5M was considered fast. | |
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| | elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
·SONIC.NET
·RoadRunner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: meh said by dynodb :said by sonicmerlin :This technology is 10 years too late and far too expensive. Wow. Do people really have such a short memory? Unfortunately, its worse than that. People have NO memory.
"I want it all, now. And I want someone else to pay for it."
(Oh, and any firm that risks billions to develop and deploy the technology is evil if they don't deliver it to me immediately at my price. Profit is bad, m-kay?)
I, unfortunately, DO remember when we paid $.25/minute to call across the street, when we had to move to have dialtone to stay in business, when telco considered "data quality" to be 300 baud, when we had exactly *12* wireless phone channels for the whole county, when there was ONE movie channel, no cable, and it was on 6 hours a night, for $20 a month. As a kid, I used to fantasize that "some day" we would have what is now the Cartoon Network and cable television.
Of course, there are still problems with telco, cellco, the cable and broadcast business models and corruption thereof, but what we have today is an order of magnitude better than anything in the past, and in most cases, competition (including mere duopoly) is sufficient to overcome any complaint I might have. | |
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FrostyMelon
join:2006-02-06
Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Qwest - Fix your website ! I checked my area out of curiousity, and it's still the 20/896 package they started offering a year ago. | |
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fonzbear2000
Premium
join:2005-08-09
Saint Paul, MN | This ISP still remains a HUGE joke where I live! The VERY BEST I can get from them is 1.5/896! While Comcast offers ALL tiers up to 50/10(BOTH mbps!)!!!
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astadtler
@qwest.net | 50/10 for $150 with 250gb cap is pretty much useless. I'm just glad Comcast will finally have some competition here. | |
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fonzbear2000
Premium
join:2005-08-09
Saint Paul, MN
| Re: This ISP still remains a HUGE joke where I live! said by astadtler :
50/10 for $150 with 250gb cap is pretty much useless. I'm just glad Comcast will finally have some competition here.
Not if you NEVER go over the cap. I'm on 12/2 for $43 and never even come close to going over.
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astadtler
@qwest.net | Re: This ISP still remains a HUGE joke where I live! I'm on 12/1 qwest and smoke that every month if I had 20mbit upload I'd do several times that a month in upload alone I'm sure.
The point is you can only run that connection flat-out for 11hrs before you hit the cap. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | Hmmmmm Hmmmm. I see no mention of phoenix.
Guess they don't want to compete against cox here.
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join:2006-05-14
Denver, CO | Re: Hmmmmm Don’t worry. Even if it said Phoenix you still might not get the service. I live in Denver, where this stuff is supposedly deployed, and ADSL2+ and VDSL is nowhere to be found near me. | |
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