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Warning, kids: Don't send 15,000,001 e-mails this month!
(old news - 03:48PM Friday Dec 14 2007)
tags: dsl · business · bandwidth · caps · Qwest.net
Users in our forums have been discussing Qwest's "excessive use policy," or "EUP". Like many operators, Qwest will boot any user who consistently consumes more than their "fair share" of bandwidth for a residential connection. Like Comcast, the company doesn't say specifically what the limit is, likely to prevent users from skirting the warnings. According to a company insider, Qwest employs a three strikes and your out policy:
As far as numbers, I do not have those numbers. If you get a EUP warning letter from Qwest, back off on the downloads. Simple as that. In order for you to get that warning, you are doing some SERIOUS traffic and should be on a frame circuit instead of a paltry DSL line anyways. You don't buy a Yugo and then try to drive it like a Porsche.
The company's (EUP) points customers to this pdf, which gives a generic representation of how much is too much. When a company starts measuring their caps by e-mails sent, generally they're more interested in convincing you that their limits are generous, as opposed to giving you any real measuring stick for abuse. That said, it does seem that Qwest gives customers plenty of leeway before they bump into the invisible wall:
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What is considered “excessive” or “high volume” use?
A very small percentage of Qwest Broadband customers fall into the “excessive” or “high volume” use category. Examples of “excessive” or “high volume” use are as follows:
• 300,000-500,000 photo downloads in one month
• 40,000 to 80,000 typically sized MP3 music downloads in one month
• 15+ million unique e-mails each month
• Online TV video streaming of 1,000-3,000 30-minute shows each month
• 2-5 million Web page visits (approximately one every second, 24 hours per day)
In the above explanation, the company insists that most Qwest customers consume "1-3 Gigabytes per month," a number that is "slightly higher for business customers." If you're interested, section 7(a) of the Qwest service agreement covers "exessive" bandwidth consumption, and gives Qwest the right to suspend, terminate, or limit your broadband service should you gobble up more than your fair share of tube space.

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RayW
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1-3 GB a month?

I am a light user and we do about that each month, when we are not getting updates.

A bit anemic in today's world.

Edit: I looked at my stats for the last month, 3 GB metered and 12 GB unmetered up and down (metering by time of day and where to). So 15 GB transfer for me for the last 4 weeks. And no music or movies (and no porn despite some people thinking everyone above 100 KB is doing).

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Re: 1-3 GB a month?

said by RayW See Profile :

I am a light user and we do about that each month, when we are not getting updates.

A bit anemic in today's world.
I don't read it as limiting you to 1GB - 3GB, Qwest is just saying that the "average" user consumes that much.

40,000 mp3's @ 3MB / file = roughly 120GB. So if you start hitting 100GB of data transfer a month, THEN you might be considered "excessive".

So far this month, as of this post, I have transferred a total of 9.37GB (7.66GB down, 1.71GB up), as an example.
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Re: 1-3 GB a month?

Yeah, most of my MP3s are in the 3.5-4mb range, so it sounds like their limit is about 150GB.

I hate when companies try to dumb-down/overstate bandwidth limits by putting it in "big number" terms like that. Just tell us what you mean in GBs, please! Maybe someone should go do 299,999 huge RAW-image mode format "photo downloads" and claim that they should be below their stated "excessive use" threshold.

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Re: 1-3 GB a month?

I agree... its a poor attempt at making the numbers look high.
1-3GB (which is their 'average') will be killed in 1 Fedora Core ISO image.
What happens when people decide to run web cams, BitTorrents or Netflix movies, or streaming TV ?

I suspect basic light browsing would consume 1-3GB, but what happens when I want to transfer (or backup) my HD over the web, or send a DVD or 2's worth of info?

Also, frame circuits are really expensive.
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Re: 1-3 GB a month?

»www.fileplanet.com/168866/160000···eplayer)

The Crysis Demo is 1,813MB!

God forbid you want to try a couple demos, huh?

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SRFireside

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Re: 1-3 GB a month?

You do realize they don't see 3GB as a limit, right? More like 150GB. If you are downloading 75 massive game demos each month I don't think the ISP is the problem.

dadkins
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Re: 1-3 GB a month?

Sarcasm... I'll edit it to reflect such.

SRFireside

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Re: 1-3 GB a month?

Ahh... your deadpan face threw me off . Not used to a straight man in your comedy act

no_one

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said by djrobx See Profile :

Yeah, most of my MP3s are in the 3.5-4mb range, so it sounds like their limit is about 150GB.

I hate when companies try to dumb-down/overstate bandwidth limits by putting it in "big number" terms like that. Just tell us what you mean in GBs, please! Maybe someone should go do 299,999 huge RAW-image mode format "photo downloads" and claim that they should be below their stated "excessive use" threshold.
I use RAW in photo as a hobby. I have a two year old. My wife shoots pictures also. Me as in hobby set her camera to RAW. Live with it Qwest. Sharing toddler pictures. Bah humbug.

Devanchya
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RayW, the truth is, the 'average' user is a light user.

When I worked for the ISP, I figured out one day that most people are on the internet for about an hour a day.

It's amazing what the law of averages will do to numbers. Because to get to a "1 hour average" you had to factor in those people who actually Have internet, DSL level, and VERY VERY RARELY use it.

It's amazing.
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Re: 1-3 GB a month?

said by Devanchya See Profile :

RayW, the truth is, the 'average' user is a light user.

When I worked for the ISP, I figured out one day that most people are on the internet for about an hour a day.

It's amazing what the law of averages will do to numbers. Because to get to a "1 hour average" you had to factor in those people who actually Have internet, DSL level, and VERY VERY RARELY use it.

It's amazing.
As in the famous old saw, "lies, damn lies, and statistics"? I am very familiar with statistics, I see the results of the massaging every week at status meeting.
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Jerm

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Re: 1-3 GB a month?

No but really, 1-3gb a month is a VERY realistic number as the "average" person doesn't really sit online that much, and when they do they just check some sites, email, etc and log off. That doesn't add up to much.

IF YOU HAVE FOUND DSLREPORTS.COM YOU ARE ALREADY AN "ABOVE AVERAGE" USER!

Viper007Bond
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I'm on Qwest's 1.5mbit DSL (too far away for faster) and with my modest downloading (seriously, my connection isn't doing much a lot of the time), I manage close to that. 95% of what I download is TV shows.

Last month I did 97.3GB down and 85.1GB up (that's 182.4GB combined). That's about average looking at my logs. I haven't heard a word from Qwest.

The limit's gotta be higher than that.
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tkaudio

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Re: 1-3 GB a month?

so far this month i have used allmost 170GB and im now at 970GB for the last 6 months

David
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40,000-80,000 mp3's

That's quite a bit up there. I think I might have now just broke 1,000 songs on my hard drive.

I would be considered small potatoes by those limits.
Indymike

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Windows Updates

Hmmmmmmmm

Windows XP service pack 3 will be out soon (supposedly) and we've got 4 (running) computers in the house. So, with XP SP3 probably at least 300 meg., that will be 1.2Gb, so i'll have reached my limit by just updating my computers?

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Re: Windows Updates

said by Indymike See Profile :

Hmmmmmmmm

Windows XP service pack 3 will be out soon (supposedly) and we've got 4 (running) computers in the house. So, with XP SP3 probably at least 300 meg., that will be 1.2Gb, so i'll have reached my limit by just updating my computers?
Download it once and burn it to DVD.

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said by Indymike See Profile :

So, with XP SP3 probably at least 300 meg., that will be 1.2Gb, so i'll have reached my limit by just updating my computers?
let me repeat it a few times since you seem to have problem reading english and what the article says
1.2Gb IS NOT A LIMIT
1.2Gb IS NOT A LIMIT
1.2Gb IS NOT A LIMIT
1.2Gb IS NOT A LIMIT
1.2Gb IS NOT A LIMIT
1.2Gb IS NOT A LIMIT
1.2Gb IS NOT A LIMIT
1.2Gb IS NOT A LIMIT
1.2Gb IS NOT A LIMIT
it's a number they pulled out of their asses.
the article says "1-3 Gigabytes per month". it's an AVERAGE. by definition of AVERAGE there are people who transfer more and transfer less. and their average has a range of being 3x bigger than the lower limit.
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Net neutrality

You want net neutrality you got it. Now pay for it little children; there is no free lunch.

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Re: Net neutrality

someone needs a hug. or a friend?
bigskank

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What does net neutrality have to do with any of this? How does saying an ISP cannot degrade traffic in some instances factor into bandwidth caps? If I used bittorrent 24/7 (as many people do), and bittorrent is the lowest priority on the network, I would still easily be able to exceed the bandwidth cap.

For example, I have a 10 Megabit cable connection. Let's say bittorrent is degraded so I can't pull more than 50 kilobytes (not kilobits) per second). That is roughly 5% of my downstream capacity, and probably a reasonable number for throttling in a non-net neutral world.

So, 50 Kbytes/s x 60 seconds/min x 60 min/hr x 24 hrs/day x 30 days/month = 129,600,000 kilobytes/mo = 129,600 Megabytes/mo = 129.6 Gigbytes/month. Thus, I would still violate the policy presuming that 100GB per month is the cutoff where the naughty "little children" will have there connection dropped. With the degradation in network performance for certain services that the pushers of ending net-neutrality want, there would still be easy violations of the AUP of the ISP.

SRFireside

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Re: Net neutrality

So don't torrent 24/7. Nobody is asking you to have all that data available for download/upload every freakin' minute of the day, every day of the month. They aren't asking you stop using the bandwidth, just be sensible.

ReneM2

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Re: Net neutrality

my internet is on 24/7.
you must be using another internet apparently, one that has time breaks and limits!!!

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said by batterup See Profile :

You want net neutrality you got it. Now pay for it little children; there is no free lunch.

The estimates in terms of images, mp3s and so on imply that Quest's limit is something like 25-50 GB/month. If they promised and stuck to a neutrality policy, and also disclosed the limits in their advertising (at least in an approximate way), then I and probably most network neutrality advocates would approve.

But they make no such promise (I don't know about their advertising and whether they lead people to expect no limits). ISPs are imposing these traffic amount limits and still refusing to give up the option, and in some case the actual practice, of traffic discrimination in violation of neutrality (i.e. wiretapping the packets and discriminating by content or destination). And their excuse for the latter is traffic amounts.

Well let's have the deal from the ISPs that you imply, Batterup - either neutrality or no traffic limits within the advertised bandwidth, at least one or the other.

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Hmm.

In the past, I would consume a little over 40 gb of data on a 1.5 mbit DSL line every month from Bellsouth. Right now, not so much, but I still download around 6-7 gb each month atleast. :P
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15+ million unique e-mails each month

Sounds like someone has a infected computer that is part of a botnet.

SRFireside

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Re: 15+ million unique e-mails each month

Or a spammer with several machines plugged into his/her broadband service (nobody said said spammer was smart).

r81984
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Unlimited?

I did not know you could excessively use UNLIMITED service????
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SRFireside

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Re: Unlimited?

Considering what seems to be defined as the limits I would pretty much say anybody going that far on their bandwidth usage is definitely abusing the "unlimited" offering. You should know by now there is no such thing as absolute unlimited in any market. Try emptying out the all you can eat buffet inventory and see if they let you. Try sending and receiving 5,000,000 text messages and see what Sprint has to say. Unlimited within reason is a good thing. Get scrappy about the companies who say unlimited, but put REAL limits on service.

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Re: Unlimited?

Unlimited with limits is not unlimited or is my vocabulary lacking.
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SRFireside

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Re: Unlimited?

Are you the type of person that must have warning labels for every practical risk on a product you purchase? Because advertised offers are never absolutes. Remember the judge who sued the dry cleaning store because he wasn't satisfied and the sign on the door said "Satisfaction Guaranteed"? There is such a thing as using common sense when looking at advertising. You can't expect the world if a company makes a claim that is damn near close to the truth but your expectation are too unrealistic.

No company can offer absolute unlimited on a consumer level (or any level for that matter). Saying unlimited and then putting a low ceiling on limits is one thing (like a buffet that limits 'all you can eat' to no more than 3-4 plates/visits to the food table), but saying unlimited and making it so over 99% of your customers would never see that actual limit is entirely another.

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Re: Unlimited?

said by SRFireside See Profile :

No company can offer absolute unlimited on a consumer level (or any level for that matter). Saying unlimited and then putting a low ceiling on limits is one thing (like a buffet that limits 'all you can eat' to no more than 3-4 plates/visits to the food table), but saying unlimited and making it so over 99% of your customers would never see that actual limit is entirely another.
Why say unlimited if it is not???
Why wouldn't they say up to 100GB a month?
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Re: Unlimited?

said by r81984 See Profile :

Why say unlimited if it is not???
Why wouldn't they say up to 100GB a month?
Basically, they're lying for advertising purposes. They want the product or service to sound better then it really is.
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Re: Unlimited?

said by KrK See Profile :

said by r81984 See Profile :

Why say unlimited if it is not???
Why wouldn't they say up to 100GB a month?
Basically, they're lying for advertising purposes. They want the product or service to sound better then it really is.
So then it is ok for them to stretch their limits but if the customers do it they should be penalized???
I agree that people need not download/upload non-stop for 24/7 but there are alot of legit services that can consume some bandwidth, like netflix for instance. I am not sure if their online service is available yet, but how do you think that is gonna affect bandwidth usage? Is everyone honestly supposed to pay $50 or whatever a month just to send emails and read a few websites?
Also, like I said before how is it ok for the isp's to take advantage of consumers by advertising one thing and meaning another, but if the consumer takes advantage they should be penalized. Never will understand that.

SRFireside

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said by r81984 See Profile :

Why say unlimited if it is not???
Why wouldn't they say up to 100GB a month?
If my previous post didn't answer that question then you simply just won't get it.

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said by r81984 See Profile :

I did not know you could excessively use UNLIMITED service????
That's because it's Unlimited--- With certain limits.

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Yugo

said by Qwest :
You don't buy a Yugo and then try to drive it like a Porsche.
Sure I do! In fact I would drive the Yugo a lot closer to its limits a much greater amount of the time than I would the Porsche.
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Re: Yugo

said by MrMoody See Profile :

said by Qwest :
You don't buy a Yugo and then try to drive it like a Porsche.
Sure I do! In fact I would drive the Yugo a lot closer to its limits a much greater amount of the time than I would the Porsche.
Yep, everyone generally abuses their beater car more. Analogy = fail.
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Caps

What gets me about this is the "download too much and we cancel your service" attitude. My ISP has a 60 gig/month cap, but when you go over, they simply charge you for it. Want to download lots and lots of stuff? Pay for it. Problem solved. Granted 60 is a bit low, I would have set it at 100.
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Re: Caps

Why not 300 or 1000 or 5000GB? Problem really solved then, no?

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Excessive use

3,000 30-minute shows would be 90,000 minutes per month - and there's only 43,000 to 44,000 minutes in a month, 24/7. I expect the other examples would also represent the same kind of overuse.

It would really take some serious effort, and massive storage, to handle that kind of downloading. When would anyone have time to actually view the videos or movies, or listen to the mp3s? (I don't even want to think about replying to 15 million email threads... )
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Re: Excessive use

It's actually only 69,000 min.
you forgot to minus out commercials... 23 min per show
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1-3 gb a month you have got to be kidding me!

Just sitting idle on the internet with windows update running and all the ICMP related stuff I can pull a gig a month because a lot of windows updates like service packs can be 200+ MB... heck office 2007 sp1 was 250mb alone... and the 8 other updates I got was another 130 MB this month.. (.NET service packs were large)... then add in actual usage (I'd say I use about a gig a day of internet alone! this is in a houe with 4 people using 2 computers)... and that is even before streaming music or video...

and then slightly higher for business customers? We have a dedicated 3Mbit symetric connection at work and we pull half a terrabyte a month! that is with 50 people using it all day basically! and then VoIP on it also!

and heck 80,000 MP3's? that is like 400GB a month assumeing ~4MB per song...

SRFireside

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Re: 1-3 gb a month you have got to be kidding me!

»Re: Windows Updates
hurfy
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What do you use a gig a day for?

Average user MIGHT download 1 service pack per YEAR.
Average user probably does not have Office to update, and again maybe one service pack per year max.
Average user does not d/l .NET updates (in the optional section of windows updates and not AUTO, right?)
Average user is probably 1 computer.

Some people will be really close to zero with a couple MB of email and some surfing. Heck maybe some are zero...lol
I can see things like Netflix pushing up that average a bit soon tho

As for business...
I couldn't see that our sonicwall is tracking use

Rarely is our little 640K line not fully available for a download with 20 people in office. Surfing and email use about nothing. Our remotes are terminal emulator using even less I doubt if we use as much for 20 people as i do at home for gaming...and the average user doesn't race online for a couple hours a night

lol i was using the 1000 hours of video to calculate and that seems like every waking hour watching online video

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Seems like a good policy would those people using over x GB will be looked at for abusive use. That leaves it kinda open-ended. Surely a quick look-see could find b/t running 24/7 or someone downloading every song on the planet vs online backups or someone hanging out at netflix/NBC

no_one

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said by neufuse See Profile :

Just sitting idle on the internet with windows update running and all the ICMP related stuff I can pull a gig a month because a lot of windows updates like service packs can be 200+ MB... heck office 2007 sp1 was 250mb alone... and the 8 other updates I got was another 130 MB this month.. (.NET service packs were large)... then add in actual usage (I'd say I use about a gig a day of internet alone! this is in a houe with 4 people using 2 computers)... and that is even before streaming music or video...

and then slightly higher for business customers? We have a dedicated 3Mbit symetric connection at work and we pull half a terrabyte a month! that is with 50 people using it all day basically! and then VoIP on it also!

and heck 80,000 MP3's? that is like 400GB a month assumeing ~4MB per song...
Businesses tend to limit use to business. Thus mostly no videos, no mp3 no nothing bandwidth intensive.
We type away at keyboards and store data.

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hahah TWC

hahhaha

i use about 200GB per month(would be more if i could find more to down load)

the will have to send a letter via sail mail
because i do not have an email with them

in the past day i all ready did 20GB
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st7860

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Re: hahah TWC

here in Vancouver BC telus's 6m down 1m up adsl package is unlimited. no phone calls, no notices, nothing happens when you go over their casual limits.

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Re: hahah TWC

Lies!

»www.mytelus.com/internet/highspeed/prices.do

$5/GB overages for Lite plan, and $2/GB overages for other plan.

Wait until they actually start enforcing this sometime in the new year, you're going to get your ass bitten.
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With TWC and RR as your ISP they don't send a letter; they just shut you off. The RR AUP and the TOS states that. TWC customers have two AUPs and TOS. one from RR for the actual connection and one from TWC for the operator portion. RR states they can go by theirs at any time they see fit and will do it; and that they reserve the right to throttle P2P and other items such as that.
st7860

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i'm not sure what you're referring to but i download and upload a total of over 300g per month with no charge nor letters nor phone calls.
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Re: hahah TWC

my reply wasnt to you. If you were replying to me. It was about the post above you regarding Time Warner and RoadRunner. Some how it put it as a reply to you.
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Now you know the origin of my handle....

They really ARE the Qworst!
sanitarium09

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The Glengarry Leads

I use about 100GB down and about 50GB up per month on average with Qwest and they've never said a word. I've had the service for over a year now and it's never gone down once. Seems that if you just pay the bill on time that's all they care. I'd say the EUP is there as a blanket so if they have people who are maxing out their connection 24/7 they can say "we told you so".
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Re: The Glengarry Leads

more or less if they want you as a customer or not for what ever reason gives them reason to get rid of ya.

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Ogden, UT

Re: The Glengarry Leads

Well at least Qwest doesn't participate in traffic shaping ::cough COMCAST cough::

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast

Re: The Glengarry Leads

said by iEvolution See Profile :

Well at least Qwest doesn't participate in traffic shaping ::cough COMCAST cough::
*cough* ...Yet *cough*
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Think outside the Fox... Opera
pabster

join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA
·Mediacom

I smell a lawsuit.

When will these providers learn that UNLIMITED means UNLIMITED? Unless they asterisk it on all their promotional material and television advertising, and on your contract, and specifically state a limit, they are engaging in false advertising and may be liable for breach of contract, amongst others.

If they want to set up a tiered system with hard limits, do it. But don't sell an "Unlimited" package and then start dancing around.

You'd think they would learn from Verizon...

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MooseManDO

@rr.com

Average User.....

I really can not wait for the "average user" to start getting more into things like online backups, and online video services. It is going to be real interesting to see the excuses these Isp's come up with as to why they are throttling/shutting down peoples connections, or how they try to fudge the average numbers to still say the average use is so small.
Really interesting to see a commercial or get a peice of mail from one isp bashing the other about speeds and what not, and quality of service and their push to sell these services but when people sign up and use it for anything other then what they used dial up for the isp's whine. If there was half as much effort put into stopping alot of the spammers, botnet's, and hackers in general they might not have such a bandwidth crunch. But god no we can not go after some of these people they might lose some of the free advertising from the spammers or the infected computer full of pop ups.
Will also be nice to see tons of people start using netflix, or what ever online legal video service they can find to see if they still try to blame the excessive bandwidth on illegal downloads.
I know a lot of people who refuse to get broadband due to nothing more then the bullshit they read about stuff liek this.
It's too bad the government or whoever doesn't make and enforce as many rules to protect the consumer form these corps as they seem to be doing for the corps. I mean putting a lousy movie on the internet or downloading a copyrighted song carries more of a penalty these days then confusing the hell out of someone in say a cellphone contract and then wapping them $85k, which is tantamount to theft, but that is ok. I say we all should just cancel all internet service and cell phones and let these companies go to hell. Nice pipe dream though lol.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

Any reason to stay?

Wow, if your gonna have caps a qwest..

Is there any reason to stay with this provider anymore?
Jeez, might as well be a cable-modem or satellite broadband customer..
sanitarium09

join:2002-09-01

Re: Any reason to stay?

I stay due to the fact that no other ISP in this area can deliver a connection anywhere near Qwest's level at a reasonable price. The cable company here charges $60/month for 5Mbit service. Qwest charges $37 for 7Mbit and they're national. Also, I hate Mom and Pop ISPs. So it comes down to options for a lot of people in the areas that Qwest serves.

seant169

join:2003-07-21
Forney, TX
·AT&T DSL Service
·Suddenlink

Quest loosers

Just because you have a monopoly in your provider areas "QUEST" you should be ashamed of yourself for charging people for overages in emails.

You know spammers live on their network and they do nothing about it. They even give these customers more and more service when they ask.

SRFireside

join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX

Re: Quest loosers

?????
heavyd70

join:2007-05-22
Woodstock, GA

Question

Folks, at the risk of this being a stupid/dumb question, is there a ultility/app that allows you to chart your broadband connection usage?

ZoNay

@eds.net

Guess I'll get a letter soon...

With my girlfriend streaming TV from her home country at least 4 hours a day and me downloading hi-def TV shows a few times a week, I guess I should expect a letter soon.

I was over 300 GB just last month...

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