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More traffic shaping or a network glitch?
(old news - 09:00AM Tuesday Dec 18 2007)
tags: Fileswapping · bandwidth · cable · networking · net-neutrality · RCN CABLE
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Users in our RCN forum are complaining that cable overbuilder RCN is blocking BitTorrent connections. Some RCN technician posts to the forum seem to indicate that this is not a policy change, so this could simply be a technical problem. We're trying to confirm with RCN. At the moment, users say they're using forced encryption and/or Tor to get around the "connection closed by peer" errors.

Last year, RCN Director of Operations Jason Nealis stopped by our forums and was up-front about the company's handling of p2p traffic. "In order to support the recently launched new speed initiatives and future product initiatives we have completed some tuning specifics surrounding the traffic on our network," says Nealis.

At the time, internal metrics indicated that in excess of 90% of upstream traffic was being consumed by p2p. As such, they decided to implement new traffic shaping policies. The company didn't touch the speed at which users can seed via Bit Torrent, but they did limit the total number of upstream connections that could be made.

Since no ISP wants the customer wrath that would accompany blocking a protocol entirely, we'd assume this is just a temporary glitch on the RCN network.

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Read your e-mail at a blazing speed

"they decided to implement new traffic shaping policies."

They did not notify customers about "policies" that they decided to "change".

At this rate RCN can lose NYC market to competitors. Torrents are very popular.

RCN can also put in place a more flexible pricing structure.

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Re: Read your e-mail at a blazing speed

Hello Frontpage of DSL Reports

We did not change any policies towards the management of Bit Torrent Traffic, At this point these issues seem to be isolated around a technical problem we are having with the devices used to enforce the current P2P management policy. (which has been the same for quite sometime)

I'm looking into this now and hopefully will have it resolved very shortly.

Jason Nealis
Sr. Director, Operations
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Big Al

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Re: Read your e-mail at a blazing speed

rcnman, just so you know: I'm considering new service in NYC but won't consider RCN unless it provides a fair Bit Torrent policy and fixes the glitches.
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ossito16

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what troubles

I have RCN and I have not seen any problems with Torrents. i use Utorrent and downloaded a linux distro last night no problem and left on sharing for a few hours. I will cancel my hdtv service if my connection is being screwed with and go satellite and keep their internet only for basic utility & gaming.

I wonder if those guys who were having problems checked their pings times and packet health within rcn routers. I know RCN has bad problems from time 2 time.
macguy

join:2007-08-18
Bloomfield, NJ

I like RCN!

I like the way RCN handle seeding with bit torrent. Limiting the number of connections is a lot more tame than comcast's all out blocking.

lawilson2
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Re: I like RCN!

said by macguy See Profile :

I like the way RCN handle seeding with bit torrent. Limiting the number of connections is a lot more tame than comcast's all out blocking.
I 100% agree with you. I like RCN's policy too. I wish I knew exactly how many upload/download connections they allow so I can tune uTorrent accordingly. But you're right, this is much better than blocking it totally. I get great speeds from RCN on uTorrent and I use it very modestly.

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said by macguy See Profile :

I like the way RCN handle seeding with bit torrent. Limiting the number of connections is a lot more tame than comcast's all out blocking.
Uhh.. that's exactly what Comcast does -- closes a portion of the connections when seeding. The only difference is in the case of RCN you're saying that your number of connections is being "limited," and in the Comcast threads people are saying a portion of their connections are being "blocked." It's just two different ways of describing the exact same behavior.
macguy

join:2007-08-18
Bloomfield, NJ

Re: I like RCN!

No, with comcast, I could not seed at all. I could only upload while downloading.

With RCN I am able to seed perfectly.

So, you are wrong, it's not the same thing.

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BitTorrent / P2P limiting

Actually limiting the number of connections may be one of the best initiatives against greedy users. As long as you impose the limit on all traffic and not just traffic classified as torrent traffic. This is because a user could still encrypt their traffic connections so that the layer 7 filter couldn't read it. They could use Encrypted transport RC4 or a VPN to a third party network and bypass torrent or P2P filtering altogether.
TheMG

join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB
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Re: BitTorrent / P2P limiting

Well, restricting the number of upstream connections on all protocols can cause problems with some non-P2P applications that also rely heavily on a large number of connections.

For one thing, games. When you have a list of 27,000 servers to query, having a limited number of connections is certainly not gonna help.
gweeper

join:2002-01-04
Southborough, MA

Re: BitTorrent / P2P limiting

Who said anything about "upstream on all protocols"? That's no what's done.

wruckman
Ruckman.net

join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH
Exactly

ohhhyeeeahhh

@comcast.net

linux distro.....

likely story!

sycocowz

join:2002-06-13
Ottsville, PA

old news

I posted about this in the RCN forums in August 2005. They later admitted to using "tuning" applications on their network.

rcnman
Jason Nealis
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Herndon, VA

Re: old news

This has been fixed. It was a problem with a device and not any sort of policy change.

Jason Nealis
RCN
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Sr. Director, Operations and Internet Systems
RCN

Quadrille

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That was 2005, this is nearing 08', and a case which hasn't been a problem before so i'm not sure what you're getting at.
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