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2008-Sep-14 10:01 am
What a bunch of BSI can't believe that cop did that. I'm sorry, if I get pulled over, I should only have to worry about any traffic violation that I may have committed. I shouldn't have to worry about my f'in CDs. | |
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2008-Sep-14 10:12 am
Re: What a bunch of BSsaid by Steve B:I can't believe that cop did that. I'm sorry, if I get pulled over, I should only have to worry about any traffic violation that I may have committed. I shouldn't have to worry about my f'in CDs. The stop was legal. The driver was arrested for driving with a suspended drivers license. And the van's contents were inventoried as per usual and legal police procedures. If the police found drugs or stolen goods or other evidence of crime, then that info is used for further prosecutions. This guy wasn't making copies of music & movies for himself. He was using it in his business as a marketing tool. I say he deserved what happened to him. Officer DeVries spoke to Harvey again who allegedly told police that he owns a computer repair business, and purchases illegally copied DVDs and CDs from a friend and gives them to his customers as a sort of perk for hiring him to repair their computers. | |
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2008-Sep-14 10:22 am
Re: What a bunch of BSI hate to agree with you TC, but I do. If the officer searched the vehicle and discovered multiple copies of disks with hand written labels thqat said "Windows" or "MS Office", I would have assumed piracy as well. Though, that would be piracy, not copyright infrengment. If the guy is distibuting unlicensed software for monetary gain, thats piracy.
Though I think the officer should receive some sort of reprimand for calling in the RIAA. If proper law enforcment searches my property after I broke the law, thats one thing, but calling in the RIAA is about the same is if he called his friend over to rummage through my stuff. The RIAA have no legal right to search his vehicle.
And if I missed something, forgive me, I just woke up and only had a few sips of coffee. | |
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2008-Sep-14 10:34 am
Re: What a bunch of BSI suspect the RIAA was called in as a technical resource to determine the facts of what was copied and if they were copyrighted. The police than contacted the Cook County D.A. and it was he who pressed charges. I see nothing amiss in their procedures. It is no different than what police would have done if they found suspected stolen art objects in the van. They would have called in an art expert to catalog and identify the stolen goods. Officer DeVries contacted an investigator from the Recording Industry Association of America. Investigator Al Thompson from the RIAA responded to the Park Forest Police Department and recovered a total of 214 CDs and 239 DVDs.
DeVries contacted Cook County Felony Review States Attorney Delahanty who approved two charges of unlawful use of unidentified sound or audiovisual recordings. | |
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Re: What a bunch of BSTK, I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. If the police find art work in a van and they call in an art expert to evaluate, the art work would probably be returned to the rightful owner. The art expert in this case would probably be a disinterested party and receive compensation for his time.
In this case, the RIAA was called in. They stand to profit by suing the individual and therefore their evaluation would be suspect. Considering that this is Cook County, I would doubt the honesty of any political person involved.
This is one of the reasons that if a police officer asks to search my vehicle or property, the answer is an emphatic no, provide a search warrant, or go on down the road looking for your quota of speeding tickets. | |
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2008-Sep-14 10:52 am
Re: What a bunch of BSsaid by Austinloop:This is one of the reasons that if a police officer asks to search my vehicle or property, the answer is an emphatic no, provide a search warrant, or go on down the road looking for your quota of speeding tickets. Your denial of a search wouldn't have made any difference in this set of circumstances. The offender in this case wasn't asked if they could search his vehicle. He was arrested and his vehicle impounded. All impounded vehicles of those arrested are searched as a matter of course and an inventory of items made. Anything found under those circumstances is fair game for further charges. And as a practical matter, a refusal of a search would MOST TIMES result in the officer asking for and getting a search warrant to search the vehicle anyway. Of course, you could claim the search warrant was issued without cause, but you are then fighting a whole other problem if the search warrant uncovered anything illegal. | |
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Re: What a bunch of BSSorry, TK, he can take the time to get the search warrant and he will waste a whole lot of time, because there is nothing illegal in my vehicle. Further if this is in Cook County, you probably be assured that something will be planted because you had the audacity of standing up for your rights.
As for fighting a whole other problem if the search warrant uncovered anything illegal, how would that differ from giving permission to search and finding something illegal.
Arguing for the police with me is wasting time. I have no respect for them. | |
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Re: What a bunch of BSYou're missing a key component of the law. While speed was the reason he was pulled over, the guy was driving with a suspended license and was arrested for it. The van was searched incident to arrest which is standard procedure anywhere. Once an arrest occurs, a search warrant is not necessary.
I hate the *IAA as much as anyone else but the search was 100% legal. | |
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Re: What a bunch of BSMaybe that is true, but as I said given a choice of allowing a search or making the cop get a warrant, he might as well start calling for the warrant. | |
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said by MooJohn:You're missing a key component of the law. While speed was the reason he was pulled over, the guy was driving with a suspended license and was arrested for it. The van was searched incident to arrest which is standard procedure anywhere. Once an arrest occurs, a search warrant is not necessary. I hate the *IAA as much as anyone else but the search was 100% legal. The search was legal but calling in the RIAA's "ivestigators" wasn't. The RIAA was not law enforcement experts. If Cook County can't afford a computer forensics team, they could have easily sent it to the FBI labs. Example: The cops pulled over this man and found blank CD. They played it and voila it had Prince's music on it. So, they call Prince to verify it was he music. He could but couldn't prove priracy. FBI computer forensics experts could unless he had a Prince CD he ripped it from. The affirmative defense here is: "Instead of calling law enforcement, they called a business? The FBI has jurisdiction not a private investigator with a personal stake in this alledged crime." | |
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2008-Sep-15 12:37 pm
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Ok, the search was legal but unless there was kiddie porn the cops should not care what in on those cd/dvd's-- hell most won't even check if your illegal but they have time to call Riaa---total BS, | |
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said by Austinloop:Sorry, TK, he can take the time to get the search warrant and he will waste a whole lot of time, because there is nothing illegal in my vehicle. Further if this is in Cook County, you probably be assured that something will be planted because you had the audacity of standing up for your rights. As for fighting a whole other problem if the search warrant uncovered anything illegal, how would that differ from giving permission to search and finding something illegal. Arguing for the police with me is wasting time. I have no respect for them. Well there are a few good cops out there. I happen to know a couple of them. Most people don't have respect for the police there are more a**holes than good cops on the force. This whole thing reminds me of the quote from Benito Mussolini: Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. If the diaRIAA is participating in such investigations, then it is a collusion of the state with corporations, Mussolini's definition of fascism. Unfortunately there are a lot of cases where police are allowed to search your car without a warrant. Courts have allowed an evisceration of the Fourth Amendment, permitting "search incident to arrest". The original idea behind that was that police are allowed to search someone's person when arresting them to make sure they do not have any weapons on them. However, they've often allowed many other searches "incident to arrest". My state even attempted to allow "search incident to citation", (see Knowles v. Iowa) which was going to allow police to search your car even if all they had was a scheduled traffic violation (i.e. 56 mph in a 55 mph zone). That was unanimously overturned by the SCOTUS. Even so, cops can arrest you in Iowa for a traffic violation if they so choose, and are then allowed to search your car. In practice, however, almost no one is arrested for scheduled traffic violations. It would be difficult to argue in court that there was a need to arrest a licensed driver for a minor speed violation. I got stopped a couple of years back by a bored small town cop for a burned out lamp and he repeatedly asked if I had anything illegal in my car, and then he asked if he could search my car. I made it clear to him that he didn't have my permission and then he said, "OK" and let me go. I do agree with you -- you have nothing to lose by telling the police they DON'T have your permission to search your car. If they search anyway and the legality of the search is brought into question in court, anything they try to use against you will be thrown out. | |
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2008-Sep-14 4:29 pm
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said by Austinloop:Arguing for the police with me is wasting time. I have no respect for them. Says the guy who'll call, and has called, the police at some point in time. People like you should actually be banned from getting their help. | |
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Re: What a bunch of BSNot a problem with not calling them. The times I have called them, it was a waste of time. When they quite taxing me, I will quite calling if necessary. So have fun with that, Mr. Anon. | |
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2008-Sep-14 7:22 pm
Re: What a bunch of BSsaid by Austinloop:Not a problem with not calling them. The times I have called them, it was a waste of time. When they quite taxing me, I will quite calling if necessary. So have fun with that, Mr. Anon. That makes no sense at all even when I take into account your bad spelling. I also failed at understanding how me posting without signing in has any relevance or why it's worth mentioning. | |
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Re: What a bunch of BSSorry that I wasn't totally clear, because I was in a hurry.
Let me restate for you: The times I have called the police, it has been a total waste of time. I got no results and an arrogant a$$hole the last time.
I will call if I think they can do something, since I have to pay taxes to support them. Our local cops are known to taser people that don't move fast enough to suit the individual pig for a traffic stop for, I believe 5 mph over the speed lime, It was on YouTube from the dash cam.
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2008-Sep-14 10:19 pm
Re: What a bunch of BSsaid by Austinloop:Sorry that I wasn't totally clear, because I was in a hurry. Let me restate for you: The times I have called the police, it has been a total waste of time. I got no results and an arrogant a$$hole the last time. I will call if I think they can do something, since I have to pay taxes to support them. Our local cops are known to taser people that don't move fast enough to suit the individual pig for a traffic stop for, I believe 5 mph over the speed lime, It was on YouTube from the dash cam. I hope that the spelling is up to your standards this time. Ok I think I understand. You will call the police though you don't respect them. Got it. I'm not aware of the cops in Austin that taser drivers for going 5mph over the speed lime [sic]. Without seeing the video you're talking about it's hard for me to believe that that's all the driver was doing. Lastly, the spelling isn't my standard at all. | |
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2008-Sep-14 10:32 pm
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Oh...that video. I've seen it before. It's the one where the driver didn't follow a lawful order or two, or five. Instead he decided to just ignore the cop as if he had a choice. I can almost guarantee you that had the driver just shut his mouth and did what he was told he wouldn't have gotten tased. | |
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2008-Sep-15 11:34 am
Re: What a bunch of BSFunny, you get no response when you post the facts. I like how people like to complain about cops using the taser but ignore the fact that the person getting tased hasn't followed any orders whatsoever and has not been cooperative the whole time. | |
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Your take is interesting, if he was so right, why was the cop disciplined by the chief of police and the tape was used as a training device for how not to do it?
Please advise.
BTW sometimes the cops just need to be called, for such items as breakins, traffic accidents, etc., just so a police report can be made so the insurance company will be happy. | |
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Yeah, like when my security alarm goes off, my security company calls me to dispatch the police, and I arrive home 2 hours later before the cops ever arrive and call them and tell them to forget it. Thank God it was just a false alarm.
Or like when my street was hit by thieves 3 times in a week, and they never found anyone?
Or when a local cop tazered 3 people as a "joke."
Or when 4 of our finest State police pepper sprayed a unarmed stripper's hoo hoo, after arresting her?
Oh, wait a minute, TASING????? Isn't that supposed to be a WEAPON of LAST RESORT, IE: instead of using a firearm???? 99.9% of tasing incidents should end up with the cop FIRED and JAILED for a minimum of reckless endangerment, max of attempted murder. There are more appropriate ways to get or force someone to comply, or not. It's not a non-lethal weapon, it's a less-lethal weapon. It CAN stop a heart and KILL you, as can pepper spray CAN put you into respiratory arrest and KILL you. Telling someone to sit, then tasing then cause they don't IS MISUSE, ABUSE, and ILLEGAL.
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2008-Sep-15 11:22 pm
Re: What a bunch of BSNo, the firearm is the last resort and is much more likely to kill someone than a taser. I take offense at people who complain about the police in general. The is nothing wrong with the police, but I am sure there are many individual police officers who should not have been given a badge. The vast majority though, are just trying to do their job and want to make it home at the end of the day. I hear about things like "why did they shoot the person , he only had a knife"" or " he was unarmed, why did they taser/pepper spray him?" I've been an EMT for 18 years and I've seen what a knife can do. You can kill a person with a knife a knife and it doesn't take too long to close in on someone. Also, for the unarmed, thing, I have seen people on PCP. They are hard to stop, even with several officers at times. Even forgetting someone hopped up on drugs, the police do not need to get into boxing matches with people... comply and you'll be fine.....
YES, there ARE people who abuse their power, but it is not the majority by a long shot.... | |
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said by FFH5:And as a practical matter, a refusal of a search would MOST TIMES result in the officer asking for and getting a search warrant to search the vehicle anyway. Refusal to grant to a voluntary search cannot be used as a justification to grant a search warrant. So I'm going to restate this the way I think (well, I know) it works: And as a practical matter, a refusal of a search would MOST TIMES result in the officer investigating further and developing enough information to justify getting a search warrant to search the vehicle anyway. Most evidence found in inventories as the result of a vehicle being towed for safekeeping or safety do get upheld, but some investigators will smartly seal the vehicle's compartments - tow it to safety - and get a warrant to search it to avoid challenges later. This removes accusations that an officer abused the process in order to commit an unreasonable search. | |
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said by FFH5:And as a practical matter, a refusal of a search would MOST TIMES result in the officer asking for and getting a search warrant to search the vehicle anyway. Of course, you could claim the search warrant was issued without cause, but you are then fighting a whole other problem if the search warrant uncovered anything illegal. Incorrect. You assume that officers that ask to search your vehicle have a right to search it anyway. I get asked frequently if they can search my vehicle. My answer is also no. Sometimes they search anyway (illegally) sometimes they go about their mary way. They never try to get a search warrant because in these cases they have no cause and would not get one. However, if I grant them permission then they can search and find anything. I don't want my car torn up if I can help it. | |
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said by Austinloop:TK, I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. If the police find art work in a van and they call in an art expert to evaluate, the art work would probably be returned to the rightful owner. The art expert in this case would probably be a disinterested party and receive compensation for his time. Sometimes, but I've been in law enforcement and I've always had a phone book of expert resources, many of which did their thing for free. Now I never had a art expert in my little red book, but one of my trainer's favorite story involves his art professor friend that helped him crack a huge case -- for free. The RIAA or MPAA would be the right folks to call if the officer felt he had a case of criminal copyright (distribution) violations. The FBI would probably have been my first call, since they are tasked with investigating these crimes and might already have an active case involving my suspect. | |
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said by Austinloop:This is one of the reasons that if a police officer asks to search my vehicle or property, the answer is an emphatic no, provide a search warrant, or go on down the road looking for your quota of speeding tickets. I'm curious whether you've ever actually done this i.e. said no to a search request, and I'm wondering what happened if you did. This is genuine curiosity -- I'm not trying to make a point, I'm interested to learn what the procedure would be. I guess the officer could just let you go on your way... but I think it's most likely that they have some probable cause for searching if they ask, and they could always just get a warrant (i.e. call your bluff). | |
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Re: What a bunch of BSNo, I haven't had the opportunity to refuse a search, but I will if I have the opportunity. | |
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2008-Sep-15 9:15 pm
Re: What a bunch of BSI submitted to one when I was in college during a speeding stop. They destroyed the interior of my car, emptied my trash (from a car trash bag) into my floor board. Found my POCKET KNIFE (2.5in blade) (a weapon). Asked if I had more.
I still got the ticket, a messed up car and hassle for the knife. Should have said no, took the ticket and been on my way with a less messy car. | |
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said by FFH5:I suspect the RIAA was called in as a technical resource to determine the facts of what was copied and if they were copyrighted. The police than contacted the Cook County D.A. and it was he who pressed charges. I see nothing amiss in their procedures. It is no different than what police would have done if they found suspected stolen art objects in the van. They would have called in an art expert to catalog and identify the stolen goods. Allegedly stolen goods. Nothing is "stolen" until it is proved so in a court of law. | |
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You don't see anything wrong with calling in the RIAA as investigator in a copyright case? Have you lost your mind? What's next? Start calling victims and ask them to do their own investigations? | |
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said by FFH5:I suspect the RIAA was called in as a technical resource to determine the facts of what was copied and if they were copyrighted. ... Let me first say, yes, this guy should have been prosecuted. However, I suspect the RIAA was called because these officers had been indoctrinated that if a situation like this arises, they should contact the RIAA. This is a flowdown from on high, since apparently our government now thinks it should be the law enforcement arm of the record and movie industries. I would think a police department would have lawyers at their disposal that know the law and not have to rely on a "trade association" to tell them what the law was. Do the police call in the NRA as a technical resource when they make an arrest for illegal gun possession or other weapons infractions? just askin' | |
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Re: What a bunch of BSsaid by nasadude:Do the police call in the NRA as a technical resource when they make an arrest for illegal gun possession or other weapons infractions? Yes, I have called on NRA members. They sure knew a lot more about some guns than I did, and sometimes what I was showing them and asking them about was the first time they had actually seen one of those examples up close as well. But NRA != Gun Manufacturers in the same way that RIAA == Content Manufacturers. It's not a great metaphor. There's nothing wrong with calling someone in for advice and clarity. It's how all of us do our jobs better. | |
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So now when I get pulled over and I am working, if they see the huge binder full of CD's/DVD's I have - For music I have mostly copied albums and mix CD's, and for software mostly Microsoft products which I have burned - is it illegal? Am I a crook?
The RIAA would say yes....but guess what, I'm not. Don't use any of your flawed logic and say I am. I buy a CD and rip it to FLAC. That CD then goes into my collection. I don't use the original anymore, as they get scratched and destroyed. I have a license for every single Microsoft product (albeit limited MSDN style). So now the RIAA goes "Copied X and Y album? CD Full of MP3's? PIRATE"
But wait....the RIAA is Recording Industry....they would have NOTHING to do with the DVD's or software. Who verified that it was pirated?
IMHO, unless he had a products KEY written on it then it's NOT considered a pirate copy. The key is the individual identifier - not the disk. Do they want to accuse me of piracy for having copied albums? Who is going to go to my house and go through EVERY album and verify what I have?
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Re: What a bunch of BSsaid by fcisler:So now when I get pulled over and I am working, if they see the huge binder full of CD's/DVD's I have - For music I have mostly copied albums and mix CD's, and for software mostly Microsoft products which I have burned - is it illegal? Am I a crook? The RIAA would say yes.... No, the RIAA will only say that you're not someone that they're worried about. Now, if instead of a large binder you had a box full of CDs -- all with the same label of some known and popular signed artist, then the RIAA would probably say that you are the someone that they're looking for | |
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said by FFH5:I suspect the RIAA was called in as a technical resource to determine the facts of what was copied and if they were copyrighted. A half way competent police lab could have determined if the contents of the disc were copyrightable/copyrighted. If they weren't competent, then they probably shouldn't be a police lab. The RIAA was not necessary in order to secure an arrest warrent (he was already under arrest for driving without a license). | |
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Re: What a bunch of BSsaid by cdru:said by FFH5:I suspect the RIAA was called in as a technical resource to determine the facts of what was copied and if they were copyrighted. A half way competent police lab could have determined if the contents of the disc were copyrightable/copyrighted. If they weren't competent, then they probably shouldn't be a police lab. The RIAA was not necessary in order to secure an arrest warrent (he was already under arrest for driving without a license). Not under arrest for that offense...cited for it. There's a BIG difference. If this goes to court, a good defense attorney could get the CDs suppressed under Fourth Amendment. You can't indict someone without a valid search warrant, and inevitable discovery doesn't (shouldn't) apply, because there was no previous suspicion of guilt for piracy. What the officer did is tantamount to patting him down, finding a gun used to kill someone (even though he was nowhere near the scene and had no motive), and arresting him for murder. Not legal. | |
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said by cdru:A half way competent police lab could have determined if the contents of the disc were copyrightable/copyrighted. If they weren't competent, then they probably shouldn't be a police lab. The RIAA was not necessary in order to secure an arrest warrent (he was already under arrest for driving without a license). Good Lord! Please stop talking about stuff that you know nothing about (or at least admit that you're totally guessing). A "half way competent" police lab is 6 months backlogged and would -- guess what -- call on the publishers to determine the copyright status of a work. You guys are mad at the RIAA, and I don't blame you. But that doesn't mean that they're always wrong about everything. | |
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said by Boogeyman:I hate to agree with you TC, but I do. If the officer searched the vehicle and discovered multiple copies of disks with hand written labels thqat said "Windows" or "MS Office"... One would wonder why the RIAA was called in for potential piracy. The RIAA would be no better situated to confirm or deny piracy then then my grandmother. The MPAA (for DVD movies) or the BSA would have been better trade groups. (Mental note: don't give them ideas) | |
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Was pulled over for a suspended driver's license! Legal police procedure for searching his car? He got pulled over for a suspended license. I had that happen to me when I was a teenager and their was no search of my vehicle and as I stated to an Oregon trooper that pulled me over for not wearing my seat belt 2 years ago, "no, you may not search my vehicle." I left with no ticket as at the time I knew he could not pull me over just for that reason. | |
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I could understand if there were multiple copies of the same burned CD because that would obviously indicate an an illegal business making money of selling those CDs. However, not if there were just a mixture of personally made compilations. That last part is obviously debatable but, based on my view that a person should be able to make a personal copy or compilation for their own personal use is why I believe it would be wrong. | |
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said by FFH5:said by Steve B:I can't believe that cop did that. I'm sorry, if I get pulled over, I should only have to worry about any traffic violation that I may have committed. I shouldn't have to worry about my f'in CDs. The stop was legal. The driver was arrested for driving with a suspended drivers license. And the van's contents were inventoried as per usual and legal police procedures. If the police found drugs or stolen goods or other evidence of crime, then that info is used for further prosecutions. This guy wasn't making copies of music & movies for himself. He was using it in his business as a marketing tool. I say he deserved what happened to him. Officer DeVries spoke to Harvey again who allegedly told police that he owns a computer repair business, and purchases illegally copied DVDs and CDs from a friend and gives them to his customers as a sort of perk for hiring him to repair their computers. The failing in your argument is that his offenses were civil, not criminal. The officer had no jurisdiction to investigate the copyright claim since no copyright action was pending against him. | |
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You've got a natural right to be free from search. This video gives some good advice on how to handle these kinds of situations. » video.google.com/videopl ··· 14&hl=enIf the guy is driving on a suspended license, he's going to get hauled in anyways, but I think he's still protected from search until he's been charged. | |
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said by Steve B:I can't believe that cop did that. I'm sorry, if I get pulled over, I should only have to worry about any traffic violation that I may have committed. I shouldn't have to worry about my f'in CDs. Why?96% of cops are sadists! I used to work with cops, and trust me, it's true. They LOVE to make people's lives miserable! This guy busted a guy for going 14 miles over the speed limit at 3 AM? He was probably the only car on the road in that he haw town! Then the guy couldn't produce a driver's license. Yes, this is a TRAFFIC violation! He arrests the guy and searches his car for a traffic violation???!!! Clearly this cop had very little to do that night. He sounds like a "Barney Fife" type to me. THEN he finds DVDs that have handwritten labels on them? Why was he ever LOOKING at the guy's DVDs? They had NOTHING germaine to the traffic violation at hand. So, he calls the RIAA police and turns over the DVDs to him. AGAIN, the DVDs had NOTHING to do with the investigation at hand. It's one thing to find illegal drugs of a body in the car, but how did this cop know that the DVDs in question were stolen property without actually playing them? This would be an illegal search! Besides, they just didn't search his car-they used the evidence from his car to obtain a search warrant and searched his HOUSE too! Trust me, in 2008. the police are NOT there to help you! Want proof? I got a ticket for 'illegal parking' because I hadn't parked my car 24 inches or less from the curb. At the time I was helping an elderly lady get her disabled car out of the middle of the road (we were pushing it). The cop wrote me the ticket BEFORE even trying to help the (very upset) lady! He couldn't wait to bust ME long enough to help HER! The lady got so upset over the ticket that she begain yelling at the cop and crying. Next thing we know there are THREE police cars there and they are threatening to arrest HER and impound her car! How is this helping the public?If you see a cop heading your way, go the other way and pray that he's not after you. Cops ARE NOT your friends!! We are IN a police state. They are the enemy. Sad-but true... | |
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microserf v1
Anon
2008-Sep-14 10:05 am
Darwin award nomineesaid by The Article :
Harvey was also charged with speeding, driving on a suspended driver's license, operation of an uninsured motor vehicle, and open alcohol - driver. The CDs/DVDs were found during inventory before impound. Dumb dumb eventually told the police he distributes them. The RIAA thug was called in as a technical expert, as far as I can tell. | |
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2008-Sep-14 10:15 am
DependsIt would be interesting to know if each cd/dvd was a "one of" or if there were multiple copies of any given disk. If they were "on of"s I would smack the officer upside the head, but if there were multiple copies I would think he did a good job. | |
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| KearnstdSpace Elf Premium Member join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ
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Kearnstd
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2008-Sep-14 10:55 am
Re: Dependsunless they where ment for friends, in which case its no different then when people swapped copies of tapes in college dorms. | |
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| | dadkinsCan you do Blu? MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA 1 edit
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Re: Dependssaid by Kearnstd:unless they where ment for friends, in which case its no different then when people swapped copies of tapes in college dorms. Boom-Box, Dual Decks, High Speed Dubbing. Carry a few blanks and if a friend has a new tape, *YOU* also have a new tape! Ah the good ole days, huh? Facists. | |
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Legion_666
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2008-Sep-14 10:17 am
RIAA as law enforcementsighhhh......our money says "In God we trust" , it's quite obvious our "god" is mammon.....for those of you who aren't sure what that means : » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon | |
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| TCub Premium Member join:2008-09-03 Olmsted Falls, OH |
TCub
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2008-Sep-14 10:29 am
Re: RIAA as law enforcementI have to agree that if he was making copies of CDs/DVDs and selling them for his own profit he should go down.
If your taking media for your own personal use, fine. But if your taking media for free and turning around and selling it, thats no different then stealing.
However should the cop have contacted the RIAA? No, regular law enforcement needs to have their own procedure for investigating and handling these situations and not hand it over to some civilians with a grudge... | |
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RIAA weaselsYou know what? I am going to start to store blank CDs with newest movie releases written on then in my car. Obviously the article doesn't say all the details, but did anyone even bother to pop these things into a computer to see what they had on them? Or was the RIAA just more concerned in making a new lawsuit? But really if the charges are legit: quote: charged with speeding, driving on a suspended driver's license, operation of an uninsured motor vehicle, and open alcohol - driver.
I think he deserved to get caught. I mean comeon, if he didn't speed; had insurance; drivers license; and didn't have alcohol then he wouldn't have gotten caught. But, deep down I have a feeling that the DA wanted to "teach a lesson" so they slapped as many charges as possible. | |
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| TCub Premium Member join:2008-09-03 Olmsted Falls, OH |
TCub
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2008-Sep-14 10:31 am
Re: RIAA weaselssaid by k1ll3rdr4g0n:You know what? I am going to start to store blank CDs with newest movie releases written on then in my car. Obviously the article doesn't say all the details, but did anyone even bother to pop these things into a computer to see what they had on them? Or was the RIAA just more concerned in making a new lawsuit? But really if the charges are legit: quote: charged with speeding, driving on a suspended driver's license, operation of an uninsured motor vehicle, and open alcohol - driver.
I think he deserved to get caught. I mean comeon, if he didn't speed; had insurance; drivers license; and didn't have alcohol then he wouldn't have gotten caught. But, deep down I have a feeling that the DA wanted to "teach a lesson" so they slapped as many charges as possible. That sounds like that pretty much what happened. So I'm sure it is safe to have blank cd's in your car, but just don't be a dumb ass and break a bunch of other laws including one that puts innocent peoples lives at risk. | |
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GlaiceBrutal Video Vault Premium Member join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY |
Glaice
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2008-Sep-14 11:00 am
NoThey should remain what they are: A BUSINESS | |
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SteveLV702 Premium Member join:2004-04-22 Las Vegas, NV |
hahaI am going to store 3,000 blank DVD's with names of Movies on them but nothing actually recorded on them in my car... Then gonna hide alot of them in weird places so they have to tear my car apart that way when they are done and find nothing illegal I can pull out my lawn chair and some popcorn and watch the pigs I mean cops put everything back together. | |
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2008-Sep-14 11:54 am
Comic Con RaidAnyone remember this? » forum.newsarama.com/show ··· ?t=71429I can't find any images from it right now, but I recall there being many MPAA and RIAA agents wearing their fancy official jackets arresting people and hauling away boxes full of goods. | |
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Re: Comic Con Raidsaid by cho0b:Anyone remember this? » forum.newsarama.com/show ··· ?t=71429I can't find any images from it right now, but I recall there being many MPAA and RIAA agents wearing their fancy official jackets arresting people and hauling away boxes full of goods. and frankly as someone who vehemently disagrees with the sale of bootlegged and counterfit goods, I say good on them if they have in fact stopped sale of this stuff. If something hasn't been released, ask the rights holder if they have any plans to do so, get your friends involved too if they also want to see the items released. Buying bootleg and counterfit merchandise benefits no one other than the person (or persons) selling that crap and in some cases it has been found that the proceeds of the sale of the unauthorized merchandise actually flows to organized crime. I attend anime and comic conventions and in some cases I'm frankly disgusted at how brazen some of these people are (In one case I saw a vendor selling a bootleg DVD that I in fact owned a legitmate copy of) those people should be if found guilty prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. NefCanuck | |
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2008-Sep-14 12:21 pm
Law Enforcement are now *AA Bitches?This is so out of control it would be funny but for the fact that this is the direction this country is heading with regard to copyright. The PD's job is law enforcement, but last time I checked that does not include searching for what ignoramuses believe are "pirated" material. | |
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| exocet_cmWriting Premium Member join:2003-03-23 Brooklyn, NY |
Re: Law Enforcement are now *AA Bitches?I agree. | |
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Ilegal search During an inventory search of the vehicle as it was being impounded, Officer DeVries located a black computer bag with several spindles of CDs and DVDs with hand-written movie or music titles on them.
If you get pulled over...For an obvious crime that would warrant being pulled over. The officer can not just conduct a search of the vehicle without obvious visible evidence of illegal activity... In this case the officer was looking for things to steal. As is what happens to some vehicles that go to impound. And also, Since the CD's found were not part of the speeding, that initiated the stop, and were part of an "illegal search". There is no right for the officer to call in a private company to check for legality of the items. A judge would throw out the illegal search items for not being on legal grounds.
But people are afraid of the police and allow the police to do what ever they want. | |
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Re: Ilegal searchYeah, because there's obviously good loot inside an old Astrovan - I can see why they'd get profiled...
You have no idea how legal procedure works. Once the driver is arrested, the entire vehicle can be searched, without a warrant and without consent. There was nothing illegal about this search. | |
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exocet_cmWriting Premium Member join:2003-03-23 Brooklyn, NY |
I wouldn't have...called the RIAA. With the understanding I have with information technology and being in law enforcement I personally would NOT have called. Just because it is a "hand written" label doesn't mean anything.
On top of that we all know the RIAA's history...
I'm not going to say the officer did a bad job, but I wouldn't have called anything in as far as the CDs and DVDs are related. | |
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More Police abuse of authority. Although Jerome violated the law the police officer DeVries only legal action was to file a compliant with the local prosecuting attorney, that Jerome was found with illegally copied CD's. It was up to the prosecutor to decide whether to file charges and go before a grand jury to determine if there was enough evidence to prosecute Jerome. If a Grand Jury found enough evidence Jerome would then have the right to hire an Attorney to defend him against the charges. The case might be thrown out. Only if Jerome was adjudicated guilty should the RIAA be notified of the outcome of the case. By his actions Officer DeVries became the arresting office, judge and jury which is not Constitutional. In my opinion Jerome was black and DeVries was white and Jerome was picked up for driving while being black. | |
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Anon
2008-Sep-14 4:36 pm
The Ignorance Is StaggeringEveryone who is crying foul at the search or saying they had no right are either ignorant or delusional.
Christ..it's called 'search incident to arrest' and it's legal. | |
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Iandmeyoutwoandi
Anon
2008-Sep-14 5:14 pm
I been saying it over and over....This is Amerika baby! The goverment can do whatever they want! Cops have almost unlimited power in the field and can arrest you for anything! And there are so many dinky little laws on the books these days it's almost impossible for anyone to lead a lawful life.
Now wouldn't that cop have looked really really STUPID if the DVD turned out to be a video of grandma's birthday pary? | |
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What about "Legal" Backups?So, suppose I made a copy of all my original DVDs and put it in my car so my kids could watch a movie or two on a long trip.
A cop pulls me over, asks me to step out of the vehicle to do a search. Finds the DVDs in a case and calls the MPAA on me. They arrest me because I have copies in MY car that are LEGAL backups (I'm allowed to make 1 backup of ANYTHING, including DVDs).
1. I am allowed to make one legal backup copy 2. What was he doing looking through my case of DVDs?
Plus, I bet he got a sweet bonus from the **AA for the "bust". | |
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Re: What about "Legal" Backups?Granted I skimmed the postings, but I didn't see anyone mention that fact that this is a CIVIL matter. Copyright infringement isn't something the police or any other government agency should involve themselves in. Do you see the cops arresting IBM or Vonage or whatever corporation is infringing at the moment...?
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RIAA case.Cops really had no business with that unless, their was some sort of theft.....From what I read, there wasnt any. Now,,,,,,this,,,,,, "Harvey was also charged with speeding, driving on a suspended driver's license, operation of an uninsured motor vehicle, and open alcohol - driver" He deserves every bit of what he is goona get..... | |
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Mr Anon
Anon
2008-Sep-15 8:00 am
WowI recently applied for a Job in Park Forest and I don't think I'm going to get it, however the more I hear about that place seems like its not so bad that I didn't. | |
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Fair Use means ONE COPYI grew up in a law enforcement family, so I have a strange perspective. I was also a DJ for 14 years off and on.
Right now, I have a 260 GB HD full of music, most of it ripped from CD's I bought legally, or purchased online. I also have well over 3000 CD's, most of which are of mixed content, not 'mixes'. When I was working the booth at the bar, I had one dancer who liked starting off her set with "Kitten's Got Claws" or "Welcome to the Jungle", then on to "The Zoo" and finish up with either "Animal Magnetism" or "Learning to Fly". She only told me which song she wanted to start off with. I had to watch the crowd up on pervert row to see how they reacted to the first song to know what to put on second, same for the third. I burned dancer's "sets" onto CD's to make it easier for me, and gave the drunks customers a better experience.
I call that "fair use" - one copy of a song, not 100. I still own those CD's, although I rarely play them, as I don't really like the Beasty Boys or Rage against the Machine...and I am really burned out on Whitesnake.
The cop sounds "Badge Happy" to me. If I were the police chief in his area, I'd be keeping a close eye on this one, it sounds like he's going to be the kind who bases his job on what he saw on last night's re-run of some TV show....HEY, MPAA....I'VE GOT A TIP FOR YOU!!!! | |
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sleepydumbdude
Anon
2008-Sep-15 10:13 am
BahIn high school like ten years ago a cop confiscated my friends book of burned CDs. He didn't do any paper work or anything, I think he just wanted them. | |
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TechieZeroTools Are Using Me Premium Member join:2002-01-25 Lithia, FL |
Who keeps that much crap in their car?This guy should be arrested for not realizing that there is better storage media out there. This is what? 20 pounds of plastic crap?
And DVDs? He has some sort of pr0n fix that in the middle of driving he needs to satisfy? | |
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