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| It's called fascism Another sign of the times, and of our failure as a people to protect and defend our democracy.
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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| Re: It's called fascism said by N10Cities  :Ummmmm....wasn't Mussolini a fascist? Duuuhhhhh..... That's the entire point! Fascism is the merging of corporate and government power. It's when the government and the corporate world are one and the same. Like what we have here today.
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| Re: It's called fascism said by TamaraB :said by N10Cities :Ummmmm....wasn't Mussolini a fascist? Duuuhhhhh..... That's the entire point! Fascism is the merging of corporate and government power. It's when the government and the corporate world are one and the same. Like what we have here today. Bob Not quite. If you remember your World Civ II class, when the major economies switched from Mercantilism (closer to what you described) to Capitalism, the objectives were to allow private entities to trade freely. The government's role was to protect the ability of that free trade and while I don't agree this is a worthwhile use of that protection by the RIAA/MPAA, it is by classic definition their right to ask.
The fact that you take a quote from Mussolini which he used to try and JUSTIFY fascism, and then state that is how our country is currently operating, is despicable.
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| said by Matt : ... that is how our country is currently operating, is despicable. What is despicable is the fact that corporate lobbyists bribe congress into passing bills which protect corporate profits. That government bails out failing corporations, while leaving citizens to not only fend for themselves, but to pay for corporate failings. Help for Fannie mae, but none for those facing foreclosures, tax breaks for big oil, but none for the middle class. And now, wanting to protect MPAA/RIAA in civil actions. It IS how we operate.
When a government is both run by and run for corporate welfare, it is by definition a fascist government. That's what's despicable, and is what is happening right now.
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| Re: It's called fascism Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was made by the government so low income households could get houses from a soaring housing market.
And when you have a privatized capitalist system the government likes to put laws on them so that the government doesn't become second to corporations. But, we have allowed our corporations to get big, and our government is taking a backseat because of it. | |
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| This is not fascism Your using the same argument against the RIAA & MpAA as you could use against Apple, Google, or Intel. These are quite simply monopolistic corporations trying to protect their product. While their tactics are deplorable, they are entitled to do so.I keep hearing the anti-corporation crowd bark how bad these companies are. Like the above post " we have allowed our corporations to get big, and our government is taking a backseat because of it."
THIS IS WHAT BUSINESS DOES...IT GROWS!
These corps also EMPLOY, and INSURE millions of people.
As far as Mussolini goes, he wasn't a true fascist. he blended elements of fascism with elements of traditionalism for his Italian utopia~!
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| Re: This is not fascism said by S_engineer :THIS IS WHAT BUSINESS DOES...IT GROWS! Perhaps that is the problem. WHY should a company keep growing and growing? Is this sustainable? Is it good for the company in the long term?
CEOs and share-holders these days dont care about the long term health of the company they run, they just want to make the company appear to make money for 3-4 years so they can get out with a huge retirement package. | |
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| said by S_engineer :... THIS IS WHAT BUSINESS DOES...IT GROWS! Cancer grows, too.
So does grass.
My puppy, too.
The nature of a thing to grow does not mean it automatically has a right to grow unchecked. We excise cancer, we trim grass, we feed our puppies more!
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| said by Matt :The fact that you take a quote from Mussolini which he used to try and JUSTIFY fascism, and then state that is how our country is currently operating, is despicable. At least he did not quote Hitler. That usually signifies the end of a thread. | |
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| Re: It's called fascism said by n2jtx :At least he did not quote Hitler. That usually signifies the end of a thread. Simply bringing him up is enough to end a thread, quoting him has nothing to do with it. Thanks for ruining the thread! You...you...GOODWIN'S LAW NAZI! | |
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A U.S. Senate panel on Thursday overwhelmingly approved a bill backed by the recording industry that would give federal prosecutors the power to file civil lawsuits against peer-to-peer users who violate copyright laws.
By a 14-4 margin, the Senate Judiciary Committee voted for the Enforcement of Intellectual Property Rights Act, which would create stricter IP laws, as well as increase the ability of the White House and Justice Department to enforce those laws. All four dissenters were Republicans: John Kyl of Arizona, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Sam Brownback of Kansas, and Tom Coburn of Oklahoma.
The Recording Industry Association of America and the Motion Picture Association of America have supported the bill. On Thursday, the National Association of Manufacturers and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce also expressed their approval of the vote.
In general, the bill toughens civil and criminal laws against counterfeiting and piracy. For instance, it amends current trademark law to double the statutory damages in counterfeiting cases.
The act also expands the power of the White House by creating an IP Enforcement Coordinator (IPEC) position within the executive branch. The IPEC would direct other agencies in a coordinated strategy to fight counterfeiting and piracy.
The bill also adds five new International IP Enforcement Coordinators to act as liaisons to foreign countries with respect to U.S. IP law enforcement.
The House of Representatives passed a similar bill earlier in the year called the "Prioritizing Resources and Organization for Intellectual Property Act." Here is a link to the proposed law:
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Here is the link to the House version that has already passed:
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Best gov't corporations can buy Wow, I wish I could give some money to politicians to get laws passed that benefit my business. Unfortunately if I do it, it's called bribery and I go to prison. | |
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| Re: Best gov't corporations can buy said by MrMoody :... This may sound odd, but the Republican dissenters reinforce my belief that Republicans are less universally evil than Democrats. you might want to find out why they dissented before you attribute to them "non-evil" actions; those four are some of the most extreme right wing senators in office. It could be they dissented because the bill wasn't draconian enough. on the other hand, their extremism is mostly on "values", so maybe they do object to the Justice Department becoming the RIAA/MPAA Enforcement Department. | |
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| Only a partisan hack would imply that party association has anything at all to do with voting for or against bills like this.
IP enforcement is something that has broad support throughout congress regardless of party. Democrats are beholden to the strong democrats from California that represent the movie industry. The Republicans are beholden to the record labels who are owned by major "republican" oriented corporations like Sony, Disney and GE and most important of all the stock market that views IP as a critical asset of the US economy. In fact without IP exports the US would face a trade deficit that was double it's current value.
There is no room for partisan behavior on this. I know you think there is us and them and that "them" aren't with you so they are against you so you feel the need to make everything a Partisan issue but you are WRONG. And your behavior is not only disgusting it's detrimental to the political system in this country. | |
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| I say we fix it by getting rid of this pension for life for serving one term as a senator. To receive the pension you must be voted in to 2 consecutive terms and you can only serve 2 consecutive terms. If you get voted out and come back 6 years later and serve your last term no pension for you.
You can only accept money from individuals with a 3000 dollar cap per individual.
That in itself would fix corporate influence and flush out congress regularly so we can ensure that we see new faces more than once every other few decades. Seeing people in congress for 40 years is disturbing. Is it any wonder all these old heads in congress cant get along anymore after spending decades arguing with the other side. | |
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1 edit | Re: Best gov't corporations can buy How about no pensions at all for Senators? No raises either. They shouldn't even draw a paycheck unless they pass a balanced budget. | |
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| Re: Best gov't corporations can buy said by Dogfather :How about no pensions at all for Senators? No raises either. They shouldn't even draw a paycheck unless they pass a balanced budget. Balanced? How about we let them keep 50% of whatever they can manage to leave over as a surplus? Of course, those profits would have to be taxed at 30% or more.  | |
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| the difference is most businesses only grow by adapting rapidly to their target market. the media industry expands by preventing new markets until its too late.(see Napster and the history of downloading music).
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| said by Dogfather :This will only end when only individual U.S. citizens are permitted to contribute to campaigns. So long as unions, foreign nationals, corporations and other corrupt special interests are allowed to bribe contribute as they do, gov't will NEVER represent the citizens. Just How Stupid Are We?
Facing the Truth About the American People
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Bedford, MA | Re: The Justice Department must use due process and not use How long has it been since the Justice Department cared about such silly things as due process and the law? The law is whatever they think it is. | |
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| Re: The Justice Department must use due process and not use said by old_wiz_60 :How long has it been since the Justice Department cared about such silly things as due process and the law? The law is whatever they think it is. The jury cares. | |
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| we need new copyright laws. we need to remap the copyright to mirror that of the Drug patent. it lasts a fixed number of years and then goes to the public. its worked fine for the pharma industry which has much more at risk if something is a dud and doesnt make profit before the patent expires. a movie or music is a few mil, some drugs are a few billion and they dont stay patented for 100+ years.
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Torrance, CA | Re: we need new copyright laws. It used to be if not mistaken 20 years, congress keeps changing it, now life of copyright holder + 70 years...also if not mistaken,something about it was in the constitution......
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2 edits | Re: we need new copyright laws. said by woody7 :...also if not mistaken,something about it was in the constitution...... Copyright in the Constitution is Article I Section 8 Clause 8. See also the U.S. Code Title 17. Fair Use is §107. | |
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| Socialism seems to be where we end up... when we let big business run things.
Just look at the Fannie/Freddie bailout.
Now the big business small government crowd wants big government to protect their failing business model.
But will they give the government any of the profits?
Nope these same people whining for government protection will say they are being taxed to death by big government and getting nothing in return.
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| Now that all of the country's other problems are solved... I'm really glad that the feds have completely eliminated all of the country's other problems -crumbling infrastructure, failing banks, crime, poverty, health insurance crises, social security, etc.- so that it can rightfully focus on Intellectual Property rights of big bu$ine$$ instead.
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| government by the corporations, not the people It is much easier to send out the gov't Gestapo agencies (FBI, CIA, etc) after copyright violators than terrorists. If you send a couple of agents to arrest a teenager making copies of music/video on the net, it is extremely unlikely that the agents will be met by automatic weapons fire from a pair of AK-47s. Plus teenagers do not usually plant mines in front of their house. | |
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1 edit | One nation.. Owned by the RIAA/MPAA.. Yep. That's what it's coming down to.
Their next step.. The world.. But they'd need to place their lobbyists at the U.N..
But.. They will eventually.. Own everyone.. and everything..
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Rockville, MD | Re: One nation.. Owned by the RIAA/MPAA.. it's not just the RIAA and MPAA - look at the telecoms and cable companies.
"corporate America" has a whole new meaning these days. | |
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And surprise, Leahy is a Dem! Jackass.
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| A critical look at copyright Copyright is not supposed to ensure profits for distributors; it was intended to encourage creative content. There's a program available on the CBC Ideas website titled "Who Owns Ideas?" which should be required listening. It runs 54 minutes, mp3 format.
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| Re: A critical look at copyright said by tubbynet :but when you have an industry wherein the majority of the profits made from distribution do not make it into the hands of the artists (at least in the music industry), you simply have a single group looking to protecting their bottom line. the record labels are looking at loosing money and as such, they don't care who or what is stepped on in the process. q. Stop with this BS line.
The artists sign contracts ensuring their rights to payment and those are honored. Time to time, artists have had to sue over disagreements, but don't make it sound like the record companies are not giving the money to the artists. If this was true, no one would sign with the labels.
The artists get an advance and a piece of the backend after the expenses are recouped.
If you are stating otherwise, then you don't know what you are talking about and clearly not in the business.
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| Re: A critical look at copyright Artists NEVER make more than the advance. The companies ensure this. Also all production expenses are subtracted from the advance. To argue the system is in anyway fair is an argument you lost before you started. If you want to argue they signed unfair contracts willingly then you are free to argue that point. Keep in mind others will argue that they didn't have a choice on the terms and that many of the clauses in the contracts would be considered illegal in most states.
If the record companies were looking after the artists interests the artists wouldn't be suing the labels to get part of the $$$ received from electronic sales as the record companies have argued in court the artists aren't entitled to revenues from digital sales. | |
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| Congress, etc. Much might be gained if all who write comments here and in response to other stories here and elsewhere, were to write their representatives and senators - not e-mail, but letters.
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