RIAA Replaces Mass Lawsuits With Potentially Dumber IdeasThree strikes policies, filters, piracy taxes ahoy.... ( old news - 09:10AM Friday Dec 19 2008) tags: legal · Fileswapping · businessTipped by N10Cities  The Wall Street Journal this morning reports that the RIAA will be abandoning their strategy of filing mass lawsuits against P2P users, a plan that has targeted some 35,000 people since 2003. The plan's primary objective was to generate news coverage, scaring other P2P offenders into compliance. Now that it's been made clear that the plan isn't working, it appears that the music industry is looking at new options that may not be much better. Most notable those options will include piracy filters and "three strikes" policies, hashed out with ISPs in private: Depending on the agreement, the ISP will either forward the note to customers, or alert customers that they appear to be uploading music illegally, and ask them to stop. If the customers continue the file-sharing, they will get one or two more emails, perhaps accompanied by slower service from the provider. Finally, the ISP may cut off their access altogether. The RIAA said it has agreements in principle with some ISPs, but declined to say which ones. We know that Cox now has such a system in place, the company falsely suggesting to customers that the law makes such a system mandatory, but insisting to us they give offenders every opportunity before termination. An anonymous source at Comcast also told me they had considered it when revamping their throttling practices. ISPs don't have to take this route; they're protected under safe harbor provisions within the DMCA. For ISPs that won't play along, it appears the music industry got some help. The Journal indicates that NY Attorney General Andrew Cuomo has been helping to broker the deals in private. Cuomo has been a central force in the effort to get ISPs to become content nannies, recently waging a war against child porn that looked good politically, but didn't really result in ISPs doing much differently. Cuomo threatened to sue ISPs who didn't adhere to his ineffective plan, resulting in many ISPs shuttering access to perfectly legitimate newsgroups. This new direction is undeniably a welcome shift for the RIAA, but, we're heading into a strange new world that may not be much better. The RIAA says they'll still file single lawsuits when applicable. In addition to quietly brokering three strikes deals with ISPs and pushing for piracy filters, the RIAA is hoping to enact a piracy tax, that could tack $5 to $10 onto every broadband subscriber's bill. You can assume that if these "voluntary" (comply and we won't sue) provisions aren't adopted, you'll see them passed (lobbied) into law. The new approach raises a lot more questions than it answers. Here's ours: Can unreliable RIAA DMCA violation data be trusted? You know, not that we don't trust the completely unaccountable shadow companies (like BayTSP) who are paid to track pirates and pollute P2P networks with often malicious files, but the tracking system as it stands isn't exactly reliable or transparent. Not only do such companies work very hard to stay under the radar, it's technically possible to frame a printer for a false DMCA violation. How do users defend themselves?How will users be able to defend themselves from piracy accusation when this is a closed-door, privately negotiated process? It doesn't exactly appear as if Cuomo or the RIAA employed the wisdom of legal experts or consumer advocates when drafting these new back-door agreements. Where's the consumer protection aspect? Where's the open debate? Where's the consistent, cross ISP, official complaint system overseen by an objective third party? Impact on small carriers?Sure, AT&T and Comcast want to be content juggernauts, and will probably think this is a splendid idea because it protects their content. But they have the deep pockets to implement such systems. What about smaller carriers? If we're going to make ISPs content nannies, aren't they now legally liable for everything from failing to act to acting in error? How do smaller carriers deal with the added legal, infrastructure and support costs of having to babysit their users? Who keeps track?Who'll run a master list of "offenders" that prevents users from just bouncing from ISP to ISP? This of course assumes users have competition and a choice of alternative ISPs. Tracking every uTorrent tot who has downloaded a few too many pirated anime DVDs as they skirt from ISP to ISP is going to be an unenforceable logistical nightmare. We don't even have a national broadband policy or an accurate U.S. broadband penetration map, but we're going to develop a universal offender piracy tracking list? Does the punishment fit the crime?Is the lack of connectivity, in an age where broadband is becoming a necessary utility, a balanced punishment for trading TV show torrents? Broadband is increasingly used for everything from managing finances to accessing important municipal services, and is of course absolutely necessary for telecommuters. Is account termination of a precious lifeline really fair punishment for downloading season two through four of HBO's The Wire? Aren't there more creative solutions?Are there other creative music industry business models that don't involve turning network operators into private content police? Many artists have already figured out that piracy has shifted albums from product to promotional tool, used to make money via merchandising and touring. Aren't there other options to ensure artists will get paid fairly? Making ISPs babysit users is really the cure? Who Pays?Won't the cost of implementing these systems be passed on to all consumers, regardless of whether they use P2P? Deep packet inspection technology, live network monitoring, the master database of offenders, the manpower required to send notices, the additional technical support required to help offenders and to address grievances: who pays for it? Not just pirates. Related:- One Man's Pirate Is Another Man's Customer
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  antwanp ObamaBiden 2008 I voted, did you? Premium join:2002-05-14 Cedar Hill, TX clubs:  | Hmm... Is it wishful thinking to hope that TimeWarner's RoadRunner isn't on that 3 strikes list? -- The Perils of Living in 3-D: »www.antwanpayne.com | |
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|  |  |  |  |  Pv8man
join:2008-07-24 Hammond, IN | the change? seems to be going ok
although it's taking quite awhile, seeing as we don't have a president right now. | |
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They only have a contract with HBO and the MPAA to notify users. | |
|   Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA | Cause they lose every case they take to trial And those they did win, ended up overturned and the RIAA has to reimburse those they sued. | |
|   Julio Bachatero y Que? Premium join:2003-03-19 Brooklyn, NY clubs: | Andrew Cuomo is just like spitzer Trying to use the AG position to become NY Governor. | |
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| Re: Andrew Cuomo is just like spitzer said by Julio :Trying to use the AG position to become NY Governor. Until Caroline Kennedy became the chosen one, I figured Cuomo was in line to be Senator. I guess he will continue to be AG. -- I support the right to keep and arm bears. | |
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| said by Julio :Trying to use the AG position to become NY Governor. Or be appointed Senator from NY to replace Clinton. | |
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| Re: Andrew Cuomo is just like spitzer Cuomo is just engaging in typical censorship politics. See Europe for more details. It is the sine qua non of the socialist state that descent from their noble cause must be crushed. That evil meddler, the internets has been causing them problems of late. The only way to crush it is through government force. | |
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| said by Julio :Trying to use the AG position to become NY Governor. Cuomo isn't fit to be dogcatcher, but I'm sure he considers the governorship a hereditary office. He's just pandering to the Christian right "law and order" crowd without doing anything meaningful to curtail real crime, or promote the public weal. Metro District Attorney--->State AG--->Governor---> ??, is the usual path for the politically ambitious. | |
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| Re: Andrew Cuomo is just like spitzer said by ross :[Cuomo]'s just pandering to the Christian right "law and order" crowd ... Does that crowd even exist in a large enough number in New York State to help someone out politically? Personally I don't think this is the case. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
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| said by pnh102 :said by ross :[Cuomo]'s just pandering to the Christian right "law and order" crowd ... Does that crowd even exist in a large enough number in New York State to help someone out politically? Personally I don't think this is the case. Sorry, I thought it illustrative of the conservative mindset of those "eye for an eye" Christian folks who believe mandatory sentencing, "three strikes, you're out", and capital punishment are not only necessary and desirable, but morally and ethically correct. They are also the first to proffer "the end justifies the means" argument as rationalization for torture. Their numbers are legion, and they are absolutely necessary for politicos like Cuomo to exist. The frightened herd needs a good shepherd, and Cuomo is just reinforcing their FUD to further his ambitions. As I said, the path to the governors office is usually through the prosecutorial side of the justice system.
There is a reason the U.S. incarcerates more people than any other country in the world...and it doesn't have much to do with justice! | |
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| Re: Andrew Cuomo is just like spitzer said by ross :said by pnh102 :said by ross :[Cuomo]'s just pandering to the Christian right "law and order" crowd ... Does that crowd even exist in a large enough number in New York State to help someone out politically? Personally I don't think this is the case. Sorry, I thought it illustrative of the conservative mindset of those "eye for an eye" Christian folks who believe mandatory sentencing, "three strikes, you're out", and capital punishment are not only necessary and desirable, but morally and ethically correct. They are also the first to proffer "the end justifies the means" argument as rationalization for torture. Their numbers are legion, and they are absolutely necessary for politicos like Cuomo to exist. The frightened herd needs a good shepherd, and Cuomo is just reinforcing their FUD to further his ambitions. As I said, the path to the governors office is usually through the prosecutorial side of the justice system. There is a reason the U.S. incarcerates more people than any other country in the world...and it doesn't have much to do with justice! As a Christian, I take great offense in finding such attitudes and generalizations towards other people.
I try not to wish my beliefs on others, always weighing what I do and how it will affect non-believers. I try to think of things in a neutral way based on majority common sense, moral, and ethical guidelines. Do I want to be known as the pushy arrogant Christian? I avoid groupthink and push myself to be independent.
I am a strong believer in the ends do NOT justify the means. Such beliefs erode our civil liberties, which is why I don't support things such as censorship, torture, and illegal wiretapping. Heck, civil liberties alone is the only thing protecting my beliefs (both religious and political). You have to be in mind of the future. Do you really want a future where all these things are laced into the most common actions? Do you want to live in fear of being arrested for doing the most mundane common thing?
I would love it if hypocrites such as Cuomo are booted out of office and tried for treason, but sadly, the masses are indeed sheep and think anything for the children or to protect them from terrorists are a good idea. I stand in the minority.
I wish that you would reconsider all religious beliefs to be FUD, because it's not. Certainly this is true for some extreme organizations whose sole focus is on money, power, and greed, but is not an absolute all. -- What happens when you combine common sense and an outspoken personality? | |
|   DaSneaky1D one wall to block them all Premium,MVM join:2001-03-29 The Lou | No personal liability, no reason for ISP's to lose a RGU So, it seems we're back to square one...and ISP's can start marketing again that HSI service is great for all sort of uses! -- :: my trivial ramblings :: | |
|   Cheese Premium join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL clubs: | Hmmmm "The plan's primary objective was to generate news coverage, scaring other P2P offenders into compliance."
More like extortion  | |
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| Re: Hmmmm said by Cheese :More like extortion  It's only extortion if you've done nothing wrong. The ??AA are sleezy people and I can't condone them for their lawsuit-happy actions. But realistically, how many of those 35k people they've gone after really are truly innocent (either through "mistaken identity" or from someone using their connection without consent [e.g. open access point])? | |
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| Re: Hmmmm Who cares if the infringers are innocent. Infringers are singular entities who individually exercise very little power. Whereas the RIAA is a large organization exercising extra legal power. They can do a lot of damage whereas the individual can do little. | |
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| Re: Hmmmm said by grandpinaple :Who cares if the infringers are innocent. Infringers are singular entities who individually exercise very little power. Whereas the RIAA is a large organization exercising extra legal power. They can do a lot of damage whereas the individual can do little. So, if you are a small criminal stealing from a large corporation, then that is OK? But what if a million small criminals are stealing? Then we have a breakdown in society. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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| Re: Hmmmm said by LiamJunket :said by grandpinaple :Who cares if the infringers are innocent. Infringers are singular entities who individually exercise very little power. Whereas the RIAA is a large organization exercising extra legal power. They can do a lot of damage whereas the individual can do little. So, if you are a small criminal stealing from a large corporation, then that is OK? But what if a million small criminals are stealing? Then we have a breakdown in society. Point is ..IT DIDN'T WORK,,they are BACK peddling...RICO **IA's ZERO..PIRATES 1 -- »davescustompc.com | |
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| Re: Hmmmm said by LiamJunket :said by cdru :said by Cheese :More like extortion  It's only extortion if you've done nothing wrong. The ??AA are sleezy people and I can't condone them for their lawsuit-happy actions. But realistically, how many of those 35k people they've gone after really are truly innocent (either through "mistaken identity" or from someone using their connection without consent [e.g. open access point])? 1 to 5% tops might be innocent. Bankrupting 1-5% of families, or trying to, is too much IMO 
Piracy is rampart on the internet, but suing people, or dissconecting them isnt the way to fix it. They should look at other delivery methods instead of $15 a CD where 1 song is good, some companies have done this... non DRM music (I believe apple is doing it now too) and it's working well for them.
There will ALWAYS be pirates - Just like there will always be store thefts. But I don't see Walmart grabbing people someone pointed out, and randomly suing them claiming their infringing, when in reality with all the open WiFis, Tor clients, and even just false positives... a lot of the people who are innocent are getting accused.
Canada has a Piracy CD tax - Maybe if they stopped treating EVERYONE like pirates, people wouldnt resort to it so much. I personally download all my music, and support artists Via concert/T-shirt sales - Rather support the bands I like, giving them a few bucks per sale, instead of 5 cents per CD, and the rest to fund mass lawsuits. | |
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| Re: Hmmmm said by fatness :Is this the new version of the "5% of users consume 95% of the bandwidth" lie? Both versions were produced by proctology. I love that punch line. Please don't sue me if I infringe on it someday. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL What you do at Christmas does not matter so much; What counts are the Christmas things you do all year through. | |
|   Jason Levine Premium join:2001-07-13 Albany, NY
| Piracy Tax If the RIAA gets a $5-10 piracy tax enacted onto ISP bills, look for the MPAA to jump on board followed by the BSA other content-provider organizations. Pretty soon, your ISP bill will double or triple in price because you are paying for piracy that you may or may not do.
I'm not a pirate, but if I'm forced to pay the RIAA $5-10 per month on the off chance that I'd pirate something, then you can bet that I'll start downloading music from P2P groups. This is only going to increase piracy, not decrease it. -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar and/or a photo book. Shooting For A Cause | |
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| You'd better believe it! And you can also be assured that people will start to state that, if they're forced to pay a "piracy tax", then downloading is now fine. Then the RIAA/MPAA, etc. will speak up and say it is still illegal, but they still feel people should be forced to pay this "tax". And if they think people hate them now, they ain't seen nothing yet. It's one thing to hate the RIAA in an abstract way because of their dealings with other people, but if people realize that they're taking money out of their pockets every month, they're going to hate them on a close personal level. | |
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| I recall when they added a small amount to the price of blank audio cassettes in order to cover the losses due to copying albums onto cassettes. Never mind that the quality of the copies made that way was inferior, the money was paid by everyone. I think they could probably get away with adding a $1 to $2 fee per month on everyone, but more than that would wipe out any download service that charged. | |
|  |  |   Jason Levine Premium join:2001-07-13 Albany, NY
| Re: Piracy Tax The problem with an ISP tax versus a cassette tax is that your ISP connection could be used for things completely unrelated to music. Sure, a cassette could be used to record your child counting to 10 for the first time, but at least it was audio-based.
With your ISP connection you can read e-mail, view web pages, take place in discussions, post photos, play games, etc. You can spend months online with your PC muted without any major loss in functionality. (YouTube's value would be much reduced but most online services don't count on audio.)
In fact, a mandatory ISP tax would force deaf people to pay for music that they couldn't listen if they wanted to. How is a deaf person supposed to "earn" their Music Piracy Fee? | |
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| Re: Piracy Tax said by Jason Levine : How is a deaf person supposed to "earn" their Music Piracy Fee? Maybe with a couple thousand WATTs and just *feel* the noize.
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Just get an OhMiBod »www.ohmibod.com | |
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| said by dadkins :said by Jason Levine : How is a deaf person supposed to "earn" their Music Piracy Fee? Maybe with a couple thousand WATTs and just *feel* the noize. im guessing they would need an Amp that goes to Eleven? -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Master database If such a scheme is going to work, it will require a master database of alleged file sharers, and whoever runs that database is going to be a huge lawsuit target. Sooner or later, someone is going to sue to demand conclusive proof that they shared copyrighted material, and then I wonder if this plan will run afoul of anti-collusion laws. | |
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| i'd aplaud RIAA's sudden sanity except... now they've gone from doing quasi-frivolous lawsuits with little to no proof, to either pressuring ISP's to do "three strikes" policies which will affect many more people in areas where broadband alternatives are slim. Or to pressuring the government to create a copyright tax/levy raising everyone's monthly bill even for Joe/Jane who only uses iTunes and has never even used a p2p client! | |
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| 3 strikes enforcement voluntary but for common good
ISPs don't have to take this route; they're protected under safe harbor provisions within the DMCA. ISPs legally may not have to take part in 3 strikes type policies, but may decide to do so in the interests of their law abiding customers and for the common good.
Like a shopping mall may have security forces take part in suppression of shoplifting activities even though the individual stores are the ones being victimized and have ultimate responsibility for theft prevention. The mall, like an ISP, is providing a safe environment for honest commerce. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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 deadzoned Premium join:2005-04-13 Baton Rouge, LA
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| Stupid These jerks are going to ruin the Internet as we know it due to their own selfish self-interests.
Filters will never work and are destined to fail. The 3 strikes policy is going to get sued out of existence and leave the ISP's holding the bag and wondering what happened. Who keeps the list and maintains it? Can you get off the list ever?
And that stupid pirate tax... Seriously?! Is it going to be opt in or opt out or will there even be a choice? What happens to all of the legitimate services that are already established like I-Tunes?
These people are going to run into a giant backlash of unintended consequences with this stuff. | |
|  Riplin
join:2002-05-13 canada | Time will tell So the isp's are gonna knock off their bread & butter over some mp3's? Riiiiiight! | |
|   micl Visit Lovely Downtown Port Starboard Premium join:2001-10-25 Silver Spring, MD
| Piracy Tax So if the RI can't make money legitimately, they will get Congress to give them a "bailout" of sorts by enacting this tax? And now everyone's gotta pay whether or not they want what the RI has to offer? Ugh! -- If I don't see you in the future, I'll see you in the pasture | |
|  |  |  |  Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ
| Re: Giving the RIAA Ammunition for Music Sharing Tax. US Copyright law already gives me permission to make copies for personal use. i could rip DVDs and Blu-Rays to my PC if i so chose to because US Copyright law says i can under fair use as long as it's for personal usage.
how about the RIAA and MPAA run tighter shops? why was i able to get a DVD quality copy of Transformers once two days after it hit theaters? simple the movie company couldnt run a tight shop and that somehow got out. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Re: Giving the RIAA Ammunition for Music Sharing Tax. said by Kearnstd :i could rip DVDs and Blu-Rays to my PC if i so chose to because US Copyright law says i can under fair use as long as it's for personal usage. US Copyright law says no such thing and ripping encrypted DVDs and Blu-Rays may be a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. | |
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| Re: Giving the RIAA Ammunition for Music Sharing Tax. said by Sammer :said by Kearnstd :i could rip DVDs and Blu-Rays to my PC if i so chose to because US Copyright law says i can under fair use as long as it's for personal usage. US Copyright law says no such thing and ripping encrypted DVDs and Blu-Rays may be a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Actually I'm pretty sure it does, but the problem comes in that the breaking the encryption is illegal. If there was no encryption, there would be no illegal activity.
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| VPN tunnel I now use a VPN tunnel through a private (overseas) server for all my torrent needs because of this kind of crap. My ISP's IP never gets into any trackers.
There is always a way around and people will find the way, until they make all music cheap, easy to get, high quality and some way to register it so you can redownload it if you ever lose it. Not this ITUNES crap where you purchase it and get one download and if your harddrive dies and you didn't make a backup, your screwed, buy it again. I use to pirate games all the time, till Steam came around which solved the majority of my hassles with PC games.
I do find it odd an ISP would want to work with these crooks, they must be paying the ISP well for these services, otherwise what benefit is there to an ISP to kick a paying customer? | |
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| They will never learn Well, this is yet another nail in the coffin for the RIAA. Why are they so bent on chasing around little people who download the latest britney spears album? Isn't their time better spent on trying to figure out better ways to get us to whip out our wallets to buy overpriced music?
And I still don't get how the RIAA could "win" all those cases. I mean, any person who has any brains in law would go "Can you prove I actually violated any copyright laws?". The answer to that question is no. Simply because the majority of the "evidence" that the RIAA ever really had was that you were connected to a tracker. Legally, they can not seize your computer unless they had hard evidence; which usually they don't (just in case always have a drill bit handy!). And when they serve you with a list of media that they claimed you pirated. So, you grab some cash, buy those CDs/DVDs and countersue. And when you present that you owned all that media, the RIAA has 0 evidence that you did anything wrong (or didn't own the media before you priated the content)...you wouldn't even need a lawyer for that. The law never states that you can't download music you own, it just says if you own it you can have it in whatever format you want; MP3 or AVI. This is almost the same as the scam where people are calling up threating you about debts you never owed to companies and if you don't pay up you will go to jail. /rant
All I know is that I will "opt out" of the piracy tax. It is really taxation without representation! The RIAA really just want to get money from the people who they know they can't catch because those people either know what they are doing or don't use trackers (or both!).
In the mean while, I am thinking about starting my own ISP. One where it wont bend over backwards for the law makers or the RIAA, and I don't care what you do with it as long as it adheres to US law. And if you get caught pirating, you have to pay a big fine to get back onto the network. Who wants in?
P.S. Am I one of the few people who will actually stand up for what is right? I don't care how much money you have or how many lawyers are on your side, non of that will help you in violating my rights . Suing copyright violators is ok...make all of them share a cell with "Bubba" in jail, threatening people with lawsuits and settlements without any real evidence is not; the latter is called extortion and it is illegal - especially when you sue people that don't even own a computer. | |
|   dadkins Can you do Blu? Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA
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| Don't do music... ... but if a "Tax" is added to my bill, guess what! I'll be maxing out my Comcast 250GB cap just for principle.
Just like sport fishing, catch and release... download and delete.
Asshats! -- Think outside the Fox... Opera | |
|  |   Pole883 Premium join:2004-01-27 Schenectady, NY | Re: Don't do music... Q.E.D.
Ab-so-lute-ly!! | |
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| I support collective licensing... and I wish that the issue wasn't thrown in with these other issues because a 3 strike policy is appalling and it should be illegal. They should not be able to cut off important communications services for people who have not been found guilty of anything in a court of law, based solely on the sometimes dubious accusations of private organizations. I know people will say an isp can do anything it wants to with its lines. Then we should either aggressively break up concentrated control over communications infrastructure and enforce a competitive market or socialize the cost of building an open public infrastructure, as we did with the highway system.
The court lawsuits have failed so now they try to essentially privatize the process by acting as court and executioner so they don't have to go through the fussy legal process of proving anything.
This is many steps in the WRONG direction. I had hoped, when I saw the headline, that it might indicate that the collective license is moving forward. Instead they are replacing one stupid policy with a policy that is even more problematic. They clearly haven't abandoned the bullying approach. | |
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| A better way? Here is a thought. Instead of disabling the Internet access of suspected pirates they just add on a sizable "tax" to their monthly bill. There problem solved. That was not too hard was it?
Think of it like a speeding ticket. You have to pay the fine and then your insurance rates go up. If you have lots of money and want to continue to speed just pay out money.
Laters, Jeff | |
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| Re: RIAA should be Investigated as a Front for Organized Crime said by No to ESPN :
I wonder what such an investigation would turn up? Nothing. They make use of the US legal system - which isn't against the law. Now if they were breaking the legs of pirates, maybe someone would have a case. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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join:2004-12-05 Barstow, CA
| Just wait until the RIAA gets hit with RICO act charges. The law doesn't see a difference between an organization threatening an individual with bodily or financial harm to extort funds. Not to mention, by the RIAA trying to act as an enforcement division of the law, it is on the borderline of behavior that can lead to charges of impersonating a police authority. | |
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