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kudos:14 | failed business models do this quote:
RIAA Spent $64 Million On Threats Netting Just $1.4 Million
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| Re: failed business models do this Sounds like when people spend thousands of dollars on super lotto tickets, to spread the numbers across the widest variety of combinations, increasing their odds and hoping for a match on the big one, but instead only getting a few thousand $ on the smaller hits.
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kudos:5 | Re: failed business models do this The purpose of the lawsuits isn't to recover more money than they are spending. The purpose is to scare off the millions of users who will no longer pirate music in order to NOT be sued. I think the term is "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
Does that work? I don't know. But I think the RIAA may know based on sales figures and thru surveys & polls.
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kudos:1 | Re: failed business models do this "A pound of prevention is worth an ounce of cure".
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kudos:3 | Re: failed business models do this said by FutureMon:Like, maybe, incentivise (sp?) the music industry to sign better talent...  what'd you say no way they can't do that they have to keep hiring legal talent not music talent why would they want music talent? they aren't a music company oh wait they are | |
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| | | | | said by Linklist:The purpose of the lawsuits isn't to recover more money than they are spending. The purpose is to scare off the millions of users who will no longer pirate music in order to NOT be sued. I think the term is "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". Does that work? I don't know. But I think the RIAA may know based on sales figures and thru surveys & polls. If they actually went after counterfeiting pirates, then there might be an angle to be spun for prevention loss. But that is not who they are going after. | |
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1 edit | Re: failed business models do this Who's idea was it to make CD Burners available to the general public? Now there's a root cause if I ever saw one. 
And yes...I know...to put it in perspective, CD's don't kill people - People kill people.
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| | | | | | | Re: failed business models do this said by FutureMon:Who's idea was it to make CD Burners available to the general public? Now there's a root cause if I ever saw one. Funny you should ask.  As far as I understand it, lobbying and the threat of lawsuits helped prevent the widespread adoption of digital audio tape. Also the RIAA sued to prohibit mp3 players and lost.
The RIAA didn't like the introduction of CD burners either, though I've heard they get, or used to get a $2 surcharge on each one sold. Of course CDs can used to store anything, not just audio, so banning them would've been a tough sell. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: failed business models do this they got got kickbacks on black audio cassets i know, but never cd's cause thats a DIGITAL MEDIA that can be used for famly photos ect, for the most part audio cassests known use was to record from the radio, so they got a kick back they lost all that with the advent of the internet and CDRW, so there SOL , maybee they need to embrase the tech not fight it it will NEVER stop. | |
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| | | | | In my opinion The recording Industry is losing revenue from increased competition. I dont think piracy is really that much worse than it has been in the past. The problem is entertainment dollars are just being spent on other things like gaming which has exploded in the last 10 years. Everyones a gamer in some shape or form these days.
Your probably right about the reason for the lawsuits but anyway they slice it spending $64 Million to get $1.4 is just a bad investment. Plus all that money goes to lawyers?? Sickening, $64 million could have done alot of good for people who need it. Roll this all up together along with Executives salaries and the excess of execs collecting from artists hard work and what we have is another industry ive chosen to ignore. Thanks but no thanks. | |
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join:2001-03-25
Galt, CA | and if thats the case, they also failed miserably in that as well. has the level of filesharing dropped of even the least bit? no, it really has not.
so either, they tossed money down a hole for nothing and got what amounts to a 2% ROI for this plan.
or they claim it was an exercise in getting people to stop file sharing in which case it failed miserably and backfired on them...
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| | | | | | Re: failed business models do this said by dagg:has the level of filesharing dropped of even the least bit? no, it really has not. Do you have a reference that infringing filesharing hasn't dropped?
Even if it hasn't dropped, we don't know how much it would have grown if left without infringers being made public examples of. | |
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Cleveland, OH | Should read, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of obscure | |
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| | |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | said by Linklist:I don't know. But I think the RIAA may know based on sales figures and thru surveys & polls. According to their own PR, piracy is more rampant then ever and getting worse. So that's like admitting this is a failure.... OR it could be their other releases are false and they know it, (losses from piracy massively overstated deliberately) but want to use it to keep up the lobbyist front/political pressure.
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| | | | | said by Linklist:The purpose of the lawsuits isn't to recover more money than they are spending. The purpose is to scare off the millions of users who will no longer pirate music in order to NOT be sued. I think the term is "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". Does that work? I don't know. But I think the RIAA may know based on sales figures and thru surveys & polls. Does this work?
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| | | | | said by Linklist:The purpose of the lawsuits isn't to recover more money than they are spending. The purpose is to scare off the millions of users who will no longer pirate music in order to NOT be sued. I think the term is "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". Does that work? I don't know... Piracy is at an all time high. Every file sharing site they bring down is replaced by more sites. Any copyrighted work is available online (many times before the official release date). My answer to the question "does that work?" would be "not even a little bit".
But I do have an idea that would save them about $64,000,000... | |
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| DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
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kudos:3 | wow
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form for just 2008, the outfit paid its lawyers more than $16,000,000 to recover $391,000 from P2P music traders
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they need to sue the lawyers lol
atleast the RIAA is losing even more money to lawyers than to p2p pirates yay | |
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Climax, MI
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| They just need to win for future lawsuits. This is merely an investment from their perspective.
If they win now, they can sue more later.
But i agree, they shouldn't even exist. They're worthless.
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | bad investing here. and we know most of that 64mil went into the pocket of some illegitiment firm like "US Copyright Group" that uses shady methods including abusing the court system.
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| | | Not really. It's a write-off. Losses. Depreciation...
RIAA is actually a trust and not a corporation nor follows under its liabilities. | |
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| Kill All The Lawyers? Have you read that book "Kill All The Lawyers"? Wonder what Shakespeare would say about this absolutely hilarious exercise in futility. The RIAA needs to get a better trapper or call it quits.
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join:2000-11-17
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kudos:14 | Re: Kill All The Lawyers? I haven't read it, no. Care to summarize it? Thanks. | |
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| | GNHtolle causamPremium
join:1999-12-20
Arlington, TX | Re: Kill All The Lawyers? In a nutshell, they're not so bad, really. That's the best summary brief I can give. Mileage may vary... :-) | |
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| | | said by GNH:Have you read that book "Kill All The Lawyers"? Wonder what Shakespeare would say about this absolutely hilarious exercise in futility. The RIAA needs to get a better trapper or call it quits. I'm def going to read this - thanks!
Now there's a dream come true... | |
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Better to spend $10 to save .01 c ... Or so it seems to the RIAA. | |
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| DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Re: Better to spend $10 to save .01 c ... I'd like to met these clowns at the riaa to see how they tought it was a good idea
if I was the judge at one of these trials I'd rule that the RIAA is only losing money to p2p pirats by sueing them | |
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I'm not a fan of the low hurdles required of the plaintiffs to sue. Nor a fan of the way copyright (a social invention intended to balance commercial and individual interests) has tilted toward publishers over the past 30 years.
But, I don't think we get a balanced synopsis at DSLR. One day we hear about the abusive damage award against "Jamie Thomas Hyphen Rasset." Another day we hear about how RIAA is losing money prosecuting these cases. Never any connection that the news value of the former offsets the latter.
I'm sure it's well-received by those who've already made up their minds. But, that's not the same as being informative. | |
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| | Simple cheaper solution Make it a criminal matter under federal wire fraud laws. Only file civil suits after convictions. | |
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Re: Simple cheaper solution Cheaper for RIAA, not cheaper for the US Government, which means it's more expensive for me. | |
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join:2002-11-17
cloud 9 | Unmeasurable The damage that the IRAA has done to the music industry is unmeasurable. Dollar-wise probably 1000x the money they have spent damaging their reputations. I know at least 100 people who stopped buying music all together. They pirate, and pirate only. They just do it out of spite now.
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kudos:3 | Re: Unmeasurable yep I know a few like that
some of them even if its a great song they've gotta spite the RIAA no matter what | |
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| | | i never knew who metallica was until they made a brohaha about napster... I liked their music and would have definitely heard of them at some point after napster and had bought some of their stuff. Except out of spite I pirated all their stuff and wont ever buy a damn thing about them and will shit talk them from now on. | |
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Clarksville, TN | Re: Unmeasurable The interesting thing about Metallica is that they brought suit against Napster and Shawn Fanning, and about yet still encourage people to bring tape recorders to their concerts.
The article that shows this is on the right side of the page.
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65 000 lawsuits and they only got that much WOW what a money pit that is | |
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kudos:1 | Mr. Obama we need you! I say we let Mr. Obama cap the salaries of the RIAA and MPAA. | |
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| | What they misunderstand A pirate is never a customer of the actual artist. At best a pirate could have potentially considered buying but never would have. The equivalent is the people who want a rolex watch but decide to buy rodex knock off.
What piracy does do. Pirates get the product and tell their friends about the product. Some of those friends likely going to go with rodex; some will go buy the rolex. Piracy generates sales.
Moreover, the pirate doesnt buy that metallica cd; but can go see the metallica concert; who most likely would never have gone to that concert. Thusly piracy generates non-pirateable revenues.
In the end.. piracy brings larger profits to those being pirated.
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| | Not getting MY business I listen to *alot* of music, but I just bought my first new CD in over a year and it was probably several years before the previous one. I *refuse* to support these slimbag entertainment execs (video/TV just as bad). I buy used CD's or I download from independent artist sites. THAT's the legacy of the RIAA. | |
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join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | It is head scratching in just about every way possible as to why they continue these lawsuits
Nobody will stop downloading b/c of them
Nobody looks good whatsoever PR wise
The RIAA is spending millions
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| Umm they have 62.6 million to throw away? I don't get it, they're still raking in enough dough they can crap away 62.6 million dollars?
and thats when the music industry is apparently at its lowest?
they must really be milking the artists if they can afford this in todays music climate. how much were the pillaging at its height in the 90s?
I'm still not sure why musicians need the riaa? | |
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| DesdinovaPremium
join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD | Re: Umm they have 62.6 million to throw away? "I'm still not sure why musicians need the riaa?"
The musician's don't. Their greedy middleman non-creative keepers do. | |
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| | Sounds like Sounds like the Artists, music labels and content owners should be suing the RIAA for fraud, misrepresentation, extortion, racketeering, as well as liabilities for the bad name it's given the entire music industry instead of the RIAA going after those consumers. RIAA claims massive loss by pirates but I think whatever that loss REALLY is, is nothing compared to the loss caused by RIAA in bad blood and BS for the music industry. | |
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