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| Re: Now hes an a real american... said by DMNTD  :where at least he knows he's free. Not now that he's a convicted criminal. | |
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| Re: Now hes an a real american... Well, under these rules you are...considering this is the first "release" scapegoat I have seen attacked. Most of the others were people running around with butterfly nets trying something that was new and cool. I bet you fit that category along a reasonable line. | |
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join:2004-01-26
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| Re: Now hes an a real american... I'll re-ask my question. Since I've never been indicted, tried before a judge/jury, or most definitely convicted for anything, how am I a convicted criminal?
Perhaps you're implying that I've ripped music CDs and then initiated their unauthorized release and/or resell via the Internet. If that's the case, then you are wrong. | |
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| Re: Now hes an a real american... said by openbox9 :I'll re-ask my question. Since I've never been indicted, tried before a judge/jury, or most definitely convicted for anything, how am I a convicted criminal? Perhaps you're implying that I've ripped music CDs and then initiated their unauthorized release and/or resell via the Internet. If that's the case, then you are wrong. His analogy isn't good. He was close though. Take convicted criminal out of it.
If I look hard enough at your life, and the penal codes; I will eventually find laws that you have broken.
I will probably find them sooner than later.
Should this young man be prosecuted before you because his crimes are more serious than the ones I will discover for you?
That's a good argument.
You could also argue that he was blatantly flouting the laws, possibly depriving others of money they were entitled to; all for his own self gain.
Now let's see if you are consistent.
The RIAA member execs have stolen billions they were never entitled to from the consumer and artists alike. They have been engaged in this, without cease, for generations.
Is your cry for justice proportionally larger for the men who perpetrated the far greater crime?
And will we see a proportionally louder cry
to bring the RIAA member execs
to justice, echoed here,
as you cheered the sentence for this young man?
Your response, or lack of it, will reveal volumes about your character to every member here.
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| Re: Now hes an a real american... If I remove convicted criminal from DMNTD 's argument, his argument disappears.
Of course there are laws that I've broken. I break them everyday by exceeding the speed limits or jaywalking. Until those become criminal acts and I'm convicted of them, DMNTD 's point of calling me a convicted criminal is simply inaccurate.said by Noah Vail :The RIAA member execs have stolen billions they were never entitled to from the consumer and artists alike. Huh? Are you referring to the price fixing charges that happened more than a decade ago? Or are you referring to the fact that you voluntarily pay $15 for a CD. Or maybe you believe the RIAA member execs have stolen billions from artists because the artists chose to sign away their rights to their works for the chance at becoming famous.said by Noah Vail :Your response, or lack of it, will reveal volumes about your character to every member here. How's my character? Am I consistent? | |
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join:2004-01-26
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| Re: Now hes an a real american... Four URLs, two stories. Is the DOJ still investigating the alleged price fixing for downloaded music? The radio broadcasters settled.said by Noah Vail :But about some of 8yo price fixing convictions That would be the one I referred to "over a decade ago". I guess I was off by a couple of years.said by Noah Vail :How much money did BigMusic collect, FROM THIS PRACTICE ALONE, that they weren't entitled to? I'd argue $0 because they charged what the market would bear and consumers continued to purchase. But the FTC believed it could be as much as $480M.said by Noah Vail :Ah. It's all the artists fault. Would you mind naming a single artist who would concur with that opinion? Perhaps every single one who freely chose to sign the contract with the terms that it had? And about the LOI issue, I don't know about everyone else, but my mother taught to read everything before I sign anything. I realize that in your world, big corporations are always wrong, but it's a free market. So long as greed grasps artists and they're willing to sign away essentially all of their rights to their works and the market is willing to bear ever increasing costs of purchasing music for their enjoyment, I don't see the blame being placed anywhere else. | |
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Not born yesterday
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| said by openbox9 :Perhaps you're implying that I've ripped music CDs .... You don't have to go any further than that. According to statements from the RIAA, they maintain that simply "ripping" the CD is a criminal act, which they had enshrined into law in the form of the DMCA. You do realize that the DMCA makes criminal the act of ripping CDs, even for your own use, because to do so you must "break" the (admittedly) weak code on the disc? | |
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Drive it like you stole it
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join:2002-12-17
Huntsville, AL | Re: Now hes an a real american... That may be true, but just the act of doing something illegal doesnt make you a convicted criminal. You have to be arrested, tried and convicted(also known as sentenced and fined/imprisoned) to be a convicted criminal. | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: Now hes an a real american... Don't worry, with the way prisons are overcrowded now, he'll be working in a Subway sandwich shop near you soon!
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join:2001-01-13
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| said by fuziwuzi :You do realize that the DMCA makes criminal the act of ripping CDs, even for your own use, because to do so you must "break" the (admittedly) weak code on the disc? CD's? I think you mean DVD's. DVD's have an encryption code that needs to be cracked. CD's do not as they are in CDA and are not encumbered by protection schemes (unless the manufacturer wants to lose "Red Book" certification and rights to use the "Compact Disc" logo possibly resulting in a trademark infringement suit from Philips).
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| said by fuziwuzi :You do realize that the DMCA makes criminal the act of ripping CDs, Really? Care to show me in writing where the DMCA outlaws extracting audio tracks from a CD for my personal enjoyment? | |
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FiL
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join:2001-12-08
Mokena, IL
| One The RIAA Actually SHOULD Have Won I'm no fan of the RIAA and their strong armed tactics going after little kids and grandmothers who just happen to use P2P to grab a few tunes. This case was different. This was a guy who actually worked and got paid for stealing content, in this case it sounds like unreleased cds, for an organized pirate group and putting the content up on a server with a ton of other copyrighted content for download.
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join:2002-10-19
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"According to the RIAA, evidence presented in the case showed that he received payment from the leader of the group in return for this work." - Hardly a Rockefeller..maybe he is? | |
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| Re: One The RIAA Actually SHOULD Have Won said by pokesph :in any case, one goes down, 10 more spring up in his place. Or not. | |
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: One The RIAA Actually SHOULD Have Won Why not? A role opens up, you think noones gonna fill it? | |
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Maggs
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| Information Control If you control knowledge, you can control people, simple as that. The RIAA is basically a tool for the record labels. Music is the only commodity that doesn't depreciate in value. Music should be priced via a demand model, it would make it more fair.
Pressing cost for a CD I produced for my brother a year ago was $2 a CD, for 1,048 CDs. Now imagine the volume discount Sony would get for pressing 1 million CDs. The media is dirt cheap, so why don't they charge a reasonable price.
Markup on a $15 CD with a $2 production cost with sales of 1 million units is $15,000,000 / 2,000,000 = 7.5 x 100 = 75%
That's a great percentage profit, and once the master is pressed and everyone is paid, the cost is nearly zero.
Take for instance if your local grocery store marked up food 75% would you keep shopping there.
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| Re: Information Control said by Maggs :Markup on a $15 CD with a $2 production cost with sales of 1 million units is $15,000,000 / 2,000,000 = 7.5 x 100 = 75% That's a great percentage profit, and once the master is pressed and everyone is paid, the cost is nearly zero. Take for instance if your local grocery store marked up food 75% would you keep shopping there. Actually, would be 750%, not 75%. What the record companies would respond with is that they spend so much more than the actual, physical production costs to make the CD.
Personally, I think they produce too much garbage today and the value for the entertainment dollar is not there. For my $15, I can either purchase a CD that will have 2 or 3 songs that I like, or I can by a DVD with a movie and extras. For 2 CDs I could purchase a video game that will give many more hours of entertainment. Music just isn't worth it to me anymore. We occasionally buy a CD, but usually it is an older one that has been discounted, or one from a CD exchange store. Better value, a concept the RIAA just doesn't want to admit. | |
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| Re: Information Control said by TheGhost :said by Maggs :Markup on a $15 CD with a $2 production cost with sales of 1 million units is $15,000,000 / 2,000,000 = 7.5 x 100 = 75% That's a great percentage profit, and once the master is pressed and everyone is paid, the cost is nearly zero. Take for instance if your local grocery store marked up food 75% would you keep shopping there. Actually, would be 750%, not 75%. What the record companies would respond with is that they spend so much more than the actual, physical production costs to make the CD. Personally, I think they produce too much garbage today and the value for the entertainment dollar is not there. For my $15, I can either purchase a CD that will have 2 or 3 songs that I like, or I can by a DVD with a movie and extras. For 2 CDs I could purchase a video game that will give many more hours of entertainment. Music just isn't worth it to me anymore. We occasionally buy a CD, but usually it is an older one that has been discounted, or one from a CD exchange store. Better value, a concept the RIAA just doesn't want to admit. All of this garbage going on in the USA is due to bad laws passing because incompetent people make the laws. Just like my Comcast service support is terrible because at least 80% of the people working there are incompetent. Do not expect this to change any time soon. I gave up on this pathetic world. Just try to live happily till you die. If pirating music makes you happy go for it. If going on the RIAA's nuts makes you happy, jump aboard that too. | |
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join:2001-04-15
West Bloomfield, MI
| Re: Information Control I would like to make a point.
Once you give up fighting the abuse because it is not going to change anything. Your enemy has won.
They will make every effort to make you feel this way. From there it is only one step to laws that you will like even less. Be active.
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Kilroy
Premium,MVM
join:2002-11-21
Sterling Heights, MI
| said by Maggs :The RIAA is basically a tool You could have cut your comment right there, I did.
I agree that music cost too much for what you get. Digital music is even worse. Why pay $1 a song, lets not quibble about a penny? The only costs are initial production, storage, and bandwidth. There is no physical media, no storage, and no transportation. Why should we pay the same price as a physical product?
Barenaked Ladies is one of the few groups who understand. When Napster was the new thing they released demo tracks where you go 30 seconds of the song and a please buy our album message. On the Everything for Everyone DVD they know they are competing against free. They even have their concerts available.
That all said, this guy got what he deserved, but the RIAA isn't going to see any of that huge award.
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Go ahead, make my day
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join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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| Re: Information Control said by Kilroy : The only costs are initial production, storage, and bandwidth. There is no physical media, no storage, and no transportation. Why should we pay the same price as a physical product? No, there are other costs as well:
Promotion(includes advertising; public relations; etc)
Accounting
Accounts Receivable(billing)
Accounts Payable
Legal
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Corona, NY | Re: Information Control errr, you realize he was talking about iTunes? Don't know about you, but it's beyond me how the cost of one song online, without any physical media (aka one track equivalent to a CD) can be the same as the per-track cost of a CD. | |
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join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA | Having once known a VP of Atlantic Records some of those costs are staggering.
The costs of rolling the dice promoting a new band would be viewed as insane to anyone outside the industry. | |
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join:2003-02-13
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| Let's not forget they get paid more money besides the cd sale. The Radio station promote the music by playing it, Then the radio station has to pay to play the music for them?? What kind of business model is that? The music industry is getting money anywhere and everywhere they can get it from. Then they don't want to pay the artist saying there's no money coming in.
Time for a new business model. Their business model of robbing from the artist and customer is dying. And it isn't helping that they are killing it faster and faster. | |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
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Fort Lauderdale, FL | Eventually.... ...all of this activity will gravitate to the darknets. That will make it truly unstoppable. | |
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netgear
Net Gear
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Arlington, TX | Re: Eventually.... Darknets won't be able to keep the "government" out. IG. | |
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graysonf
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Fort Lauderdale, FL | Re: Eventually.... I don't think they can keep anyone out. But the inner workings, where everything is, can be practically intractable. | |
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netgear
Net Gear
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Arlington, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
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| Re: Eventually....
Agreed.
Next, the "government" will define what they believe a private intranet must be. So much for "private."
I'm totally against the theft of copyrighted material, but there are certain personal, individual rights that flow with the purchase of recorded material.
I (and many others) have a private intranet, now, which allows me to stream audio and video to my A/V system, directly from my PC. "Government" has no business telling anyone how to use the music or video content owned as the result of a private sale, destined for non-profit use. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | This applies to almost no other cases This guy is a supplier of the files. Everyone else is just a downloader. Arguably this is the type of person the RIAA is supposed to be going after. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | Ouch.... I'm sure the punishments will massively outweigh the crime. | |
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DSLdewd
join:2004-06-05
Denver, CO
| Napster - 6 million songs - MP3 format - 99 cents each All I have ever asked for is digital music priced fair without any DRM and Napster delivered. I spent $50 on new tracks with them just to show my support and I uninstalled my p2p client. I have gone legit...
Thanks Napster 
Thanks RIAA for allowing it | |
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something good. or your mom.
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MisterMarcus
join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
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| Re: Napster - 6 million songs - MP3 format - 99 cents each Here's what's confusing.
Someone can't give me freely an MP3 encoded at 128, because that's considered "copyright infringement".
However, if there happened to be a YouTube or other media stream of said song, and I record it, that's okay.
I mean if I record straight off of SIRIUS how is that any different than sharing the MP3? Because I paid for SIRIUS? I didn't pay for the right to record, I paid for the right to listen. Therein is the problem.
I don't share MP3s. I don't use P2P to get them, I don't even deal with people who talk about them. I just find a high quality FLV stream and convert it, or record the audio directly into a new file. Does that make me a criminal? Does that mean IMEEM and YouTube and all of these other sites are breaking the law? | |
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@rogers.com
| blame yourself free enterprise if they lower the price on anything their profits will fall, still be huge but lower then previouse years, how can this CEO explain that to the stock holders? he will get fired
the blame is all on free enterprise, u want freedom u got it, can't have it both way's
unless u protest, boycott the company and get their sales down, then they may rethink their business model, but no one does any protests any more, at least not protest of any significant number of people | |
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nitzan
join:2008-02-27 | Ridiculous. Where is this country going to? | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Ridiculous. its already there............ | |
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ztmike
1kwikgt
Premium
join:2001-08-02 | lol What you in prison for?
"I downloaded the movie, Undercover Brother"
LOL
The AA's can kiss my ass.
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nydwarf1
join:2008-04-11
St Catharines, ON | Prison? Well good luck Yanks, we'll all come and visit all of you in prison some day. | |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Corona, NY | Re: Prison? I have only three words for the MAFIAA:
WALK THE PLANK!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!1 | |
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Roop
join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON
·Internet Telephone..
| down with riaa I say we protest against the RIAA.
What's something easy that everyone can do? Mail all of your CD's from RIAA backed labels to their headquarters.
You can leave a nice note saying "it makes you sick knowing what they do with your money"
or "i've already ripped all the tracks and don't need these anymore"
or "i've cracked these cds into long sharp jagged pieces which i hope make their way into the eyes of your employees." | |
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ThaTmaN
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RIAA Wins First Federal Music Copyright Trial
