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RIAA/MPAA Still Pushing For Copyright Filters In AV Software
And in your networking hardware, and on your ISP's network, etc.
by Karl Bode Thursday 15-Apr-2010 tags: legal · Fileswapping · business · Op/Ed
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The entertainment industry has always kept a wish list of the kinds of draconian policies they'd like to see implemented in a fantasy world where nobody questions them or disagrees with their practices. Frequently calling piracy a virus, companies like NBC and Viacom have often pushed for copyright filters to be embedded in networking hardware or even anti-virus software. With that in mind, it's not too surprising to see that filings with the government, the entertainment industry has oodles of additional great ideas floating around that would literally embed copyright filters everywhere.

According to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, recent filings by both the MPAA and RIAA highlight how the entertainment industry dreams of a future where Uncle Sam is their personal, taxpayer-funded security service, border entries are used as places of "education" concerning copyright violations, and countries who believe in things like "fair use" are bullied. The filings also note how they'd also like to see copyright filters included in -- once again -- both anti-virus software and networking hardware. And, according to the MPAA and RIAA, they would love it if ISPs could be responsible for doling these tools out to users:

There are several technologies and methods that can be used by network administrators and providers...these include [consumer] tools for managing copyright infringement from the home (based on tools used to protect consumers from viruses and malware).

If said "tools" are anything like the DRM systems the entertainment industry cooks up (Sony's rootkits come to mind), surely that's going to be a big hit with broadband users. It's a strange and sometimes frightening future the MPAA and RIAA dream of, and while it might be interesting place to visit -- you probably wouldn't want to live there.

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Cheese
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RIAA/MPAA

Give it up already, you look like fools and continue to look like fools. You only serve to drive piracy further into the ground and then where will your money come from?

digitalfreak
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Re: RIAA/MPAA

said by Cheese:

Give it up already, you look like fools and continue to look like fools. You only serve to drive piracy further into the ground and then where will your money come from?
And therein lies the problem. They don't care how they are perceived by the general public. What you and I think is irrelevant to them as long as their lapdogs in Washington continue to do as they're told.

Cheese
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Re: RIAA/MPAA

said by digitalfreak:

said by Cheese:

Give it up already, you look like fools and continue to look like fools. You only serve to drive piracy further into the ground and then where will your money come from?
And therein lies the problem. They don't care how they are perceived by the general public. What you and I think is irrelevant to them as long as their lapdogs in Washington continue to do as they're told.
Sad but true.

asdfdfdfdfdf

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They don't care because people bitch and moan but they continue to buy. These companies continue to rake in massive amounts of money which allows them to maintain their whores in washington and their lobbying machine.

If large numbers of people would actually sacrifice what they desire and not buy anymore the industry would quickly be decimated and their behavior would change so fast it would make your head spin like a top. Take their money away and their power in washington evaporates.

But if people actually gave up going to movies, dumped cable and satellite, stopped worshipping rich vapid celebrities etc. their lives would be devoid of meaning, their heads would explode and the earth would spin off its axis.

So people will continue to buy and moan and these companies will continue to rake in the money, laugh all the way to the bank and not give a shit.

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just so you know I saved what you wrote and plan on referring to it anytime I think about getting cable or satellite. Thanks.
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asdfdfdfdfdf

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Re: RIAA/MPAA

That's a legitimate point.

It's all about scale.
These companies remain very profitable.
If the scale is modest enough that it doesn't really hurt but is a minor irritation it isn't going to have the desired effect and it won't undermine their lobbying muscle. It's more like poking the tiger with a stick, which only makes it more aggressive.
I think the effect would be different if people's behavior changed on a large enough scale. It has to be a scale that causes major harm to their business today, not a scale that simply causes them to worry about the future.
We have not reached the tipping point where enough people have realized that they don't need to pay entertainment companies to fill up their free time.
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Why don't all of you join mne in my personal boycott of these greedy asses.As far as Corporate music/films go I refuse to buy even one item new any longer.Never will they seea dime out of me.If I need something them go on ebay,amazon,or better yeta local store and buy your stuff used and guaranteed to work.No difference in the product except the asses never got a dime of your money.

I have a real hate for the RIAA/MPAA and any others like them.
go To Hell !!!!

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Those damn hobbled Disney DVDs that arrive from Netflix just beg me to make a copy, just to say FU!

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said by SLD:

Those damn hobbled Disney DVDs that arrive from Netflix just beg me to make a copy, just to say FU!
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said by Cheese:

Give it up already, you look like fools and continue to look like fools. You only serve to drive piracy further into the ground and then where will your money come from?
the general public has proven they are ignorant and dont care about that.

The remaining "rebels" nobody cares about. They are a small fraction of the pool. RIAA et al has been fighting with keeping piracy limited to the few that will never let go. They are just making it rough for the noobies to do it, because they know that those spineless kids will bend over the moment they can't instantly torrent lady gaga and run to the itunes store to buy it instead..

So in a way, they have succeeded.
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DRM causes piracy from even people who might not normally pirate. but they dont seem to understand that DRM causes way more harm then it prevents. ALL DRM is more damaging then no DRM at all.
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hmmmmm....

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Oh great!

We already have enough problems getting people to use current antivirus software and implement sensible security on their computers. If they add this shit to antivirus software, even fewer people will use it.

Yeah, that's just what we need to keep viruses, spyware, spam, and phishing at least somewhat in check.

Idiots.

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Re: Oh great!

Not to mention, antivirus software like McAffee, and Symantec which are already hogs, will become even more bloated.

They will strike up a deal with some AV company, to share the 'profits' with them. When the rest follow, we are all screwed.

Between bloatware, and legitimate copying of CDs, etc. there will be more false positives, and more slow computers than you can think. Either that, or people would just not use any security software. But wait, here comes Microsoft. If they build it into their MRT, Windoze will slow down enough to become slug bait.
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Re: Oh great!

said by roc5955:

Not to mention, antivirus software like McAffee, and Symantec which are already hogs, will become even more bloated.

They will strike up a deal with some AV company, to share the 'profits' with them. When the rest follow, we are all screwed.

Between bloatware, and legitimate copying of CDs, etc. there will be more false positives, and more slow computers than you can think. Either that, or people would just not use any security software. But wait, here comes Microsoft. If they build it into their MRT, Windoze will slow down enough to become slug bait.
You know, you don't have to install the software...
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Re: Oh great!

Very true, just boycott the companies who support RIAA....

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Not a problem. Have the RIAA/MPAA just pay for it. Assume a millisec for processing a file move/open transaction (anything could be copyright theft), and 1000 transactions a day per computer. So 1 second per day times 300,000,000 computers times whatever Screen Actors Guild union rate is. $25/hr? In my head that would be about $800,000,000/yr for leasing time on our computers.

Of course I'm making up those numbers, but the cost to the public will be far more than just lost time and increased costs of devices, services, and software needed to appease them. Remember Macrovision and other failed attempts as security that caused a poor quality or unreadable media to legitimate buyers? There will be bugs, there always is, and there will be hacks, there always is. So all it will do is anger law abiding customers and steal from them.

Funny, if RIAA/MPAA members sell me data that will not work as advertised, and they KNOW it will happen on X% of devices, then why isn't that theft? If I take $20 out of their desk when their back is turned, why is that a crime, and when they sell me a product with a no-returns policy that they know might not be valid, it's a legal way to make money?

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Re: Oh great!

said by McRat:

Funny, if RIAA/MPAA members sell me data that will not work as advertised, and they KNOW it will happen on X% of devices, then why isn't that theft? If I take $20 out of their desk when their back is turned, why is that a crime, and when they sell me a product with a no-returns policy that they know might not be valid, it's a legal way to make money?
Just do a chargeback
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said by McRat:

Remember Macrovision and other failed attempts as security that caused a poor quality or unreadable media to legitimate buyers?
Yep!!
And people STOPPED buying software that used it..

Do you remember what the fix was??

LOWER PRICES!!!

When the price came down for the software, people chose to buy it, and the accompanying documentation rather than copy it..

Amazing how when a certain price point is found, people BUY your product..
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said by McRat:

Not a problem. Have the RIAA/MPAA just pay for it. Assume a millisec for processing a file move/open transaction (anything could be copyright theft), and 1000 transactions a day per computer. So 1 second per day times 300,000,000 computers times whatever Screen Actors Guild union rate is. $25/hr? In my head that would be about $800,000,000/yr for leasing time on our computers.
That's a great idea! If they do this, I will generate and send them a new invoice every day until they block my email address, then change and start over with a new one. If we all did this either electronically, or by snail mail, we'd bury them. "OMG! We got 4 million invoices today alone! If this keeps up, we'll have no room on our servers. We can't delete them fast enough!"

They cripple us, we cripple them back.

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It couldn't work even if it were attempted.

The vast majority of all files on the internet are copyrighted - web pages, images, audio and video, and software: only a small percentage are public domain. So it's not a question of filtering everything that's copyrighted. Infringement occurs only if the file is copyrighted *and* shared without authorization.

But how could software decide whether client C has permission to access file F from server S, and whether S has permission to serve it to C? Obviously there is no way this data could be checked for every internet transaction. The database would have to be bigger than the internet itself, and the whole population of the world would have to work all day and night to maintain it, doing nothing else.

So, presumably, what these arrogant greed-heads really mean is that every internet transaction has to be filtered against a list of their companies' products - at the expense of someone other than their companies, and slowing all the world's data traffic.

Why should anyone do that for them? And again, even this lesser endeavor couldn't work. If it's by title, it can be foiled by changing the names. If it's by hash, it can be foiled by re-encoding or changing a few bytes.

Thus, it would amount to simpy throwing a monkey wrench in every PC or router, with no effect on piracy. Of course, sociopaths don't care about collateral damage, they just want to dominate and manipulate everyone.

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said by ISurfTooMuch:

We already have enough problems getting people to use current antivirus software and implement sensible security on their computers. If they add this shit to antivirus software, even fewer people will use it.

Yeah, that's just what we need to keep viruses, spyware, spam, and phishing at least somewhat in check.

Idiots.
An easy way to solve that problem is not to use Windows (which, btw, has built-in DRM itself). That's part of the reason I use nothing but FOSS software.
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Re: Oh great!

An easy way to solve that problem is not to use Windows (which, btw, has built-in DRM itself). That's part of the reason I use nothing but FOSS software.
I would agree as long as the Hardware manufacturers and ISPs don't fall for this.

Use Linux for your operating system.

And, use FOSS software that can be installed on routers.

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said by ISurfTooMuch:

If they add this shit to antivirus software, even fewer people will use it.

Yeah, that's just what we need to keep viruses, spyware, spam, and phishing at least somewhat in check.

Idiots.
Makes me glad I switched to Linux... I don't need AV software.

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I can only imagine the number of false positives this crap would generate, and the attendant lock-downs of legit SW, and the 3 strikes crapola that will ensue.

If it happens, they will have more pirates; a self-fulfilling prophecy no doubt.
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vlad1000

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i think riaa should use their money to control

piracy in the horn of aden instead:)
they will have a lot more success there...
and rename all the filesharers as fishermen:)
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linux

Might as well get moving to macs/linux since riaa/mpaa main target is going be us windows users

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said by ryu4000:

Might as well get moving to macs/linux since riaa/mpaa main target is going be us windows users
You know, you don't have to install the software...
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Re: linux

You just said that in the post above, Gbcue.

The only issue with "just don't install it", is that on a Windows based system you need a security application in order to make sure your computer doesn't become virus ridden. If I understand correctly, the media corporations would like all virus scanning applications to include the ability to destroy software that may be related to software piracy. So, in the RIAA's wet dream, everyone would have to install software that would monitor the consumer and ensure that copyrights are not infringed upon.

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said by ryu4000:

Might as well get moving to macs/linux since riaa/mpaa main target is going be us windows users
not when its in the FIRMWARE of your HARDWARE!
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said by ryu4000:

Might as well get moving to macs/linux since riaa/mpaa main target is going be us windows users
And if this tech actually becomes a reality and gains traction, I can, with 99% certainty, tell you what their response to alternative OS'es will be.

With Macs, they'll force Apple to embed this into the OS. If they don't, the labels will pull all their content from iTunes. In that scenario, Apple would have no choice but to comply.

With Linux, they'll launch a campaign to brand it as a "pirate OS", and they'll press for hardware manufacturers who sell in the U.S. to build into their hardware a prohibition against booting from an OS that isn't digitally signed. And you can bet that Linux won't be a "trusted" OS. Of course, Linux is widely used on servers, so it would be hard to kill, so the studios will offer a deal: certain Linux distros can be digitally signed if their blocking tech is included. I realize that it could be stripped out by an experienced user, but it will effectively neuter Linux as an alternative for the masses.

And in case someone replies that modded versions of the digitally signed distros without the blocking tech could simply be posted online, you can bet that the blocking software's definitions would be updated to screen them out. If you want the modded distro, you'll have to find a way around the blocking software in order to download it. It'll be possible, but it may be difficult enough for the average user that they won't bother.

I'm not saying we will definitely go down this path, but don't delude yourself into thinking that simply switching OS'es will get you off of these guys' radar screens.

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OMG the radio is stealing too

Destroy all radios, they're getting free music....

The moment av software starts reporting when a person has an .mp3, legal or not it when it's not longer a creditable program which the community will shun.

These companies need to pull their heads out of their asses, and realize we don't agree that their asshole smells better than fresh air, but they really don't care what we think, the paying public is the enemy now with a drm minefield, which is why their sales are down.
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axiomatic

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Still confused...

How exactly do they plan to keep this crap code on my system? I'm certainly not going to load it willingly. Lets say they force this change in to AV software for Windows. Well I fear that we all will just stop loading Windows AV software and continue our dastardly plans of pirate domination. Arr! Or even better, this will cause hacker groups to work harder on OS mod releases that work around this nonsense. Or even better, just have a separate Linux system for the music. Hell a VM!

Fact is, the MPAA/RIAA are not in my house holding a gun to my head to make me do anything on my PC that I don't want to do.

Piss off media fat cats. Your business model is as old as you are. It's time to exit the market and let the younger forward thinking people do the job. You've obviously outlived your use and have achieved your "Peter Principle."
chimera

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Anti-AV Software

Any solution that requires users load up several gigabytes worth of definition files to defend against a "threat" isn't a viable solution even if you buy the argument that this is a virus which I don't.

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Copyright filters in AV software?

Great idea. Have AV software block/mangle copyrighted content. This will, of course, cause people to uninstall the antivirus software, leaving their computers open to attack.

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Re: Copyright filters in AV software?

Or switch to OS X or Linux...
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Frack you xxAA's

I really hate that I can't help but watch movies on a regular basis.... Although I have vowed to rarely, if ever actually purchase any movies(Back in the day I used to buy a movie almost weekly)... And with a little one around the house its easy to avoid the movie theaters... But they don't deserve what money they do make off me through my Netflix and cable subscriptions...

Now as far as music goes, I have found it fairly easy to avoid purchasing CDs. In the last 5 years I have bought maybe 2 albums, in the last 10 maybe half dozen or so... I would have bought many more if not for the actions of the music industry.

Either way I wouldn't cry if the movie or music industry blew up and the little guys would step up to take their place.

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Re: Frack you xxAA's

Ah, so you're a thief! That explains it.

IT Guy
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RIAA/MPAA Still Pushing For Copyright Filters In AV Software

Go piss up a rope, RIAA/MPAA!

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RIAA/MPAA (SOLVED)

Just disband the RIAA/MPAA and the that money to run them and distribute it back to the artists.

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Re: RIAA/MPAA (SOLVED)

said by eagle92:

Just disband the RIAA/MPAA and the that money to run them and distribute it back to the artists.
And how would one accomplish that? RIAA/MPAA are corporations, not government entities. Although you wouldn't know by looking at them with their closed-door deals with the European governments, etc...
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Re: RIAA/MPAA (SOLVED)

Armed militant takeover with many deaths is always a way to do this.

Im sure we can get some left or right wing group to go in and take them out in the name of something
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This site is like one huge megatroll

They know how to rile up the anti-authority, pro-piracy sheep with a click of their fingers.
ISurfTooMuch

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Re: This site is like one huge megatroll

OK, I'll bite.

How is not wanting to install software that allegedly filters copyrighted material for the entertainment industry being "pro-piracy"? I don't download their damn music or movies, and I don't rip and share my discs, but I'll be damned if I'm going to install software on my computer to protect their business model and profits. That's their problem, not mine.

And in case you still don't get my point, let me ask you this: Do you have a meth lab in your house? Do you run a bookmaking operation out of it? How about running a prostitution ring? No? Do you frown on those activities? Yes? Well, I assume you're willing to let the police install cameras in all the rooms of your house so they can occasionally check. After all, if you don't want to let them do that, you must condone those activities.
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said by quatrix:

They know how to rile up the anti-authority, pro-piracy sheep with a click of their fingers.
You need a history lesson. This happened when the import tape recorders hit the market 40 years ago. They wanted them outlawed. They weren't outlawed, and the recording industry continued to grow.

Then it happened with the VCRs. They did some crappy Macrovision fiasco that degraded the image, and reduced VCR tape sales until it was removed.

Now it's happening again. But this time, it's their own fault. Records were on vinyl, but they were expensive to produce. They shifted to CD digital format and saved money and stuck it in their pockets. Prices did not go down.

Now everything is digital BECAUSE the entertainment industry wanted that way, now they complain it's copied cheaply. Duh. That's why you adopted it.

I have no bootleg software, movies, or records. Not because I'm an angel, but because I get better value as customer by purchasing. Let me explain. A virus ridden or cracked piece of bootleg software could do far more damage than any money I could save. Since most software is buggy, I usually need the updates and tech support. My time is worth too much to deal with burning a 5gb DVD movie, and my FM radio does what I need it to do. Exactly how does BitTorrent/etc improve my life? It doesn't for me.

Nearly every time the RIAA/MPAA gets permission to do something, it makes my life more difficult as a legal customer. So screw them. If they had a good track record of making my life simplier as a customer, I'd be waving their flag. But they don't.

And they are stupid. I hate stupid people who have power. I've bought more music since iTunes came out, than I did in the 10 years prior. Why? iTunes makes it simple. I hear a song I like and I buy it. I don't have to hunt for it at Walmart. I don't have to buy 8 crappy songs to get the 2 I like. iTunes has turned me into a record buyer instead of a radio listener. And if someone needs to steal a .99c song that plays on the radio for free, perhaps the RIAA needs to help those people find jobs instead.

Not to mention that MPAA have very low morals themselves. I buy a $25 BDVD and you make it so I can't fast forward through your stupid ads or FBI warnings. Put that on the cover, eh? "WARNING: This version of the movie requires you to view stupid content first. Your IQ may be lowered."

It's time for them to adjust their business model to adapt to technology, not try and hassle all the customers instead. Or they can just release movies in the theaters and on vinyl records again and stop most of the illegal copying. Analog BABY!!!
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Re: This site is like one huge megatroll

I'm going to show my age here a bit, but CD's not only didn't come down in price compared to vinyl, they actually went up. In the mid-'80s, you could buy most albums for around $8.00 on LP, but the CD versions were priced around $15. The record companies said this was because there were only a limited number of manufacturing plants operating at the time, but as soon as more came online, the price of CD's would drop back to that of LP's. Everyone knew that was a lie then, and, in hindsight, we were all right. It WAS a lie.

And I'm sure the record companies want to blame lower sales on piracy. I can give them a better reason. Not only is mainstream music these days worse than it used to be, the big broadcasting companies, in an effort to squeeze more profits out of their stations, have pretty much destroyed commercial radio in this country. How does that tie in to record sales? Back in the day, people often discovered new music on the radio. You'd often have one or more DJ's who you liked because they would introduce you to new music you'd never find on your own. These guys really were experts at what they did. However, employing them cost money, so the big broadcasting chains got rid of them in favor of automation systems that were programmed by some consultant who supposedly knew what people wanted to listen to. Now you got to listen to the same "market-tested" rotation of the same songs that they played a few hours ago, over, and over, and over. In the past, stations reported their playlists, which were at least partially driven by listener requests, to companies like Billboard, which prepared top-40 lists, which stations' music directors looked at when creating their new playlists. In this way, listeners, through their calls, could affect the music on the air, pushing more popular songs to the top of the charts and weeding out the duds. Now, I challenge you to find a station that takes requests. So, if there are no requests, what input do listeners have in the programming process? None. The whole thing is driven by what the consultants, often influenced or outright paid by the record companies to play their music, say should be played. And given the record companies' track record of producing shittier and shittier music, you can see where this process ultimately leads. Do this long enough, and people stop buying your product, which is exactly what is happening. You can spend as little or as much money as you like buffing and polishing a turd, but, in the end, it's still a piece of shit.
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said by quatrix:

They know how to rile up the anti-authority, pro-piracy sheep with a click of their fingers.
most of the people on this site are smart enough to know that anything pushed for by industry will be bad for the advancement of computing.

we also know that DRM systems are failures, only cause grief for those who buy the legit copies. remember in their dream world the MAFIAA would love it if you had to buy a copy for any player in your house. their dream is if you play a movie in your living room it would not play in the bedroom anymore. the entertainment industry wants us to be the sheep and fully under their control.
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fldiver
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Re: This site is like one huge megatroll

LOL, they called that abortion DIVX..and thankfully people saw it for what it was. However in a lot of ways, what they couldn't accomplish with DIVX they did with the DMCA.

Murdoc
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ACTA must of fell flat on its @ss....

Since they are trying this stupidity now.

KrK
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Not a bad idea...

It wouldn't be a bad idea to include filters to block everything the RIAA/MPAA does with your A/V software.

After all they are some of the biggest parasites arounds.
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ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL

Re: Not a bad idea...

Never thought of it that way before.

But look at the Sony Music CD that was deliberately loaded with a rootkit. They DELIBERATELY distributed malware. So the best solution might be to have antivirus software identify and block their CD's. After all, they're a known malware author.

And people have compared these guys to organized crime for years. Looking at it closely, they really do bear a resemblance to the criminal gangs that try to infect computers every day. If Sony deliberately inserted a rootkit onto a CD, would anyone in their right mind trust them or their affiliated organizations with the security of their computers? You might as well buy your security software from the Russian mob.
pearcy

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Chicago, IL

cut off their money supply

If people would stop paying to go see movies, and stop buying music for a while they wouldnt have any money left to sue people. Im not saying go out and pirate everything. Im just saying cut off their resources. For organizations that claim to be getting bankrupted they sure have a ton of money to pay their lawyers.
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Re: cut off their money supply

How many members here have seen "Avatar" ? I haven't been to the theater in close to year. I find that the prices for what you get are abysmal. So I am doing my part not to prop up the MPAA.
Kearnstd
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i personally enjoyed Avatar. but that was pretty much my only movie in 2009 lol.

but i use that as an example when the MPAA cries about money loss and then Avatar rakes in 2billion+. people enjoyed the movie so they went. the problem is the industry bets big on the Terminators and Avatars in early summer and start of the holidays, and then fills the rest of the year with crap.
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No.

Just no ok? Ya just don't get it, do ya?

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