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kudos:3 | Just months away... sort reminds me of duke Nukem forever Whenever.
Always just a few more months away. | |
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 |  Chris 313Come get somePremium
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Houma, LA
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| Re: Just months away... said by tshirt: sort reminds me of duke Nukem forever Whenever.
Always just a few more months away.
Yeah, and we all know how badly that sucked. I got took for the Collector's edition. | |
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| |  Simba7I Void Warranties
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Billings, MT | Re: Just months away... I'm glad I didn't buy that edition. I did eat $60 when it came out, though.
I've never seen a game lose value that fast. | |
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Greenwich, CT | said by Simba7:I've never seen a game lose value that fast.
I was Just going to say this.. I mean wow it hit the bargain bin really quick. | |
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join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | um...they wre showing off 'Alpha b" They aren't even in Beta.
My company (which is the 10th largest in the world) is dropping all BB by EOY 2013. These dudes are done.
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|  elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
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HarperLand | Re: um...they wre showing off 'Alpha b" What unlike microsoft that releases beta products as "Finished' then fixes them all with the next Service Pack? (which are getting few and far between) | |
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| |  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
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kudos:7 | Re: um...they wre showing off 'Alpha b" What unlike [Apple|Google|<major software company>] that releases beta products as "Finished" then fixes them all wit the next service pack (or equivalent)? | |
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| said by elwoodblues:What unlike microsoft that releases beta products as "Finished' then fixes them all with the next Service Pack? (which are getting few and far between)
the are getting few and far between cause Win7 is rock solid. Service Pack 1 didn't even really do anything and was really just a security rollup.
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| | | Re: um...they wre showing off 'Alpha b" One company will hardly hurt them. Especially on the other hand you have still gov't agencies that use them, like the President, and the Army due to they are secure, and you have companlies like THD and Lowe's Companies that are buying them, and HCR Mannor Care (one of the top 10 health care companies in the world), besides Cleveland Clinic still using BB today, and farther on. | |
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| | intellerSociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
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| Re: um...they wre showing off 'Alpha b" blackberry security is a joke. That gets touted everytime but no way I'd invest in a man in the middle security strategy. and then like last week and the year before, security is moot when the man in the middle goes down.
And not sure I'd have national security using a device from a company that gives into information requests from third world despots.
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| | | | | Re: um...they wre showing off 'Alpha b" said by inteller:And not sure I'd have national security using a device from a company that gives into information requests from third world despots. What information would that be? When China and friends tried asking RIM to cough up encryption keys for their clients' communication services, RIM's response was: "We cannot do that since we do not possess any such information." | |
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| | ecoPremium
join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE | Many government agencies in the US are switching away from Blackberry's.. | |
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Wheeling, IL | said by inteller:They aren't even in Beta.
My company (which is the 10th largest in the world) is dropping all BB by EOY 2013. These dudes are done.
My company is one of the top 100 as well, and same story here. And as far as I am aware of, most of other big companies (we work with) are abandoning this ship and providing support for only iOS/Android devices.
Beside these simple facts, you can not find a cool/geek friend with a BB. That tells you something for itself as well. I can only picture some old timer guy stuck in the time with a BB these days.
As others pointed out even Windows Mobile seems to be a better (but also dead) choice, due to the better relationship with Windows and MS tools.
Only if BB starts selling for sub $50 and open source everything (or switch its devices to Android), they would start looking interesting again. HP and Nokia should be taken as a comparable cases. First, dropped prices and open sourced OS, but stopped producing devices since they were already at a huge loss - They would do much better if they just sicked Android on top of their devices or kept production at loss or low prices until market was hooked up on their devices/OS. Second, did a similar approach, they were name (bigger than BB), they tried to open source their platform, but they kept expensive prices. Now they are trying to get some bucks from MS, but they will go down together as far as I see it. | |
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Toronto, ON
kudos:1 | Re: um...they wre showing off 'Alpha b" My multi-billion-dollar company is also on the speedwagon away from BB.
Why bother with their crap and outages when iOS and Android can connect directly to an Exchange server? | |
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Billings, MT
1 edit | Why does anyone care.. ..about BlackBerry anyway? I honestly don't see the point when Android and iOS dominate the market with better features and devices.
EDIT: AhhhH! I'm actually suggesting an iOS device! *checks himself into the psych ward* | |
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Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: Why does anyone care.. said by Simba7:..about BlackBerry anyway? I honestly don't see the point when Android and iOS dominate the market with better features and devices.
EDIT: AhhhH! I'm actually suggesting an iOS device! *checks himself into the psych ward*
The Verge article describes a system that is a cross between Android & Windows. But the system is schizophrenic with a work UI and a personal UI that don't work together. The phone is either in Work mode or Personal mode.
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Billings, MT | Re: Why does anyone care.. said by Linklist:The phone is either in Work mode or Personal mode. So, they created a phone with a multiple personality disorder. | |
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| It makes sense for security purposes.
You can have work and personal apps running at the same time, they just don't interact.
If you're running a business where security matters, this is a good feature. It stops the disgruntled employee from copying and pasting important documents onto their personal side and doing what they like with them. It also allows companies to manage what apps are allowed to access work information and which are not. | |
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USA
kudos:1 | Even a Window 8 phone is a better choice than BlackBerry at this time. | |
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join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: Why does anyone care.. considering most enterprises use Exchange, Windows Phone 8 is actually the BEST choice due to its native Exchange Integration.
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Wilmington, DE | Re: Why does anyone care.. iPhone has native exchange support as well. It's had it for years. | |
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| BlackBerry turnaround will take time. Although as a user, I've been sorely dissapointed in RIM (even though I presently use Android phone and an iPod). Developers have actually been much more pleased with RIM lately, and it's easy to port Android apps to BlackBerry. They even showed off very good games (the upcoming Nova 3, displayed with iOS-quality high-polygon-count graphics), as BB10 can run them.
They are really good at some things like messaging, and deserve to survive. Don't want to see an ogligopoly only between Android and iOS.
Although in decline in North America, they are still ascending in many international markets, and they can still arrest a marketshare decline within a year if BB10 is good (after essentially beta-testing their new QNX OS for a long time in PlayBook). But it'll not be Fortune 500 that drives BlackBerry anymore.
I remember how badly Apple was panned in 1997; and even Michael Dell (of Dell Computer) said Apple should be shut down, liquidated and the money returned to shareholders. RIM needs to work very hard to survive, to recover from their hangover/misdeeds. They are now doing the right thing with software developers (finally!), and hopefully they keep doing good steps forward.
Goodbye boring corporate-only BlackBerries.
Hello more-competitive, fun BlackBerries.
Will it be enough for RIM to survive? Time will tell. | |
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| ecoPremium
join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE | Re: BlackBerry turnaround will take time. I understand RIM is Canada's only big tech company left but the blinders people from up north have on about this company astound me. They are done. Face the facts. Apple survived and thrived in 1997 because of Steve Jobs and the team he brought with him from NeXT. Thorsten Heins is no Steve Jobs and most of the great talent has left the company. | |
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join:2011-01-24
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kudos:3 | Re: BlackBerry turnaround will take time. Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs, either. Apple is next, and the iPhone 5 and all the issues that surround it is just the start. | |
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join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE
1 edit | Re: BlackBerry turnaround will take time. What issues? And Tim Cook is a hell of a lot better than RIM's CEO.
My point was it took someone of the caliber of Steve Jobs to turn around Apple when it was in the shape it was in back then. RIM does not have someone of that caliber. | |
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join:2011-01-24
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| Re: BlackBerry turnaround will take time. said by eco:What issues? And Tim Cook is a hell of a lot better than RIM's CEO. ... yeah. 
We'll just leave it at that. | |
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Wilmington, DE | Re: BlackBerry turnaround will take time. Well if you can't even bother to explain your comments I'll assume you don't know what it is you're talking about. | |
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join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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| Re: BlackBerry turnaround will take time. said by hottboiinnc:Forbes and other business/news outlets have named 2012/2013 as the fall of Apple. With their latest move on missing off the people that make 30% of their products isn't a great thing for them. Apple will be next. Exactly. What is going on now with Maps, activation issues (though they always seem to happen) and lower sales than expected are the first little bits of the ship starting to sink. One could argue that Steve Jobs wouldn't have allowed this to happen, but one could also argue that it's just the cycle of the market and there would have been nothing Steve could do to stop it. | |
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join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE | Re: BlackBerry turnaround will take time. Maps was not just Apple's decision. Insiders at both Google and Apple have said the two could not agree on terms to extend the deal so they had no choice. And the expectations of Wall Street Analysts are always ridiculous. They delivered 5 million phones over the weekend, and the only reason there wasn't more was because they couldn't make them fast enough to meet demand. Apple does not count preorders as sales until they are delivered to customers. To get your phone over the weekend you had to preorder in the first hour they were available because demand was so high. That means in the first hour alone 5 million people preordered the phone. As far as activation issues I don't know what you're talking about. There were lots of problems last year but I haven't seen any reports of problems this year.
Oh, and before you say Steve wouldn't have let this happen, he presided over the MobileMe fiasco. | |
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join:2011-01-24
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| Re: BlackBerry turnaround will take time. The difference is that Lord Steve had a reality distortion field that could convince the followers that Apple has done nothing wrong and that the problems with their products are the fault of the user or others.
Now that Steve is gone, no such field exists. | |
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join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE | Re: BlackBerry turnaround will take time. Well if that's the case then why is the stock up 67% this year? Oh, and Steve admitted to and apologized for the MobileMe problems. | |
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| Re: BlackBerry turnaround will take time. said by eco:Well if that's the case then why is the stock up 67% this year? Because the deck has only just started to wobble, and I'm not some crazy loon who sees this happening. *Everyone* is seeing it, and it will be particularly devastating if (or rather at this point, when) the Samsung verdict is overturned.
Get back to us in 2013. We'll talk then. | |
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| iPhone 5 is the tip of the iceberg.
As previously mentioned, pretty much everything released under Jobs was considered flawless and innovative.
The iPhone 5 is iPhone 4.5 at best. I love the piece Jimmy Kimmel did on it, look it up on Youtube. Passing around an iPhone 4S, getting people who were 4S users to test it, then they said it was much better. This works only for so long (essentially releasing the same product over and over again with only minor tweaks and selling it as the newest, greatest thing). As users get frustrated the shine will come off Apple.
Apple is where RIM was when they were on top (although at a smaller scale since the smartphone market was smaller). If Tim and crew don't wake up they will follow RIM down the same path.
You can argue all you want, but the negative reviews are beginning to crop up. Whether you believe they are true or not, they will have an impact in the market.
BB10 is going to be fantastic, but since the media have already pronounced RIM dead, the hill they have to climb is that much higher.
APPL is up this year based on expectation and momentum, the same things that have RIM down to less than the value of all of their assets right now. The market expects Apple to continue to lead and RIM to die. It is not always rational and as Apple products get buried in the pack, so will the stock.
A dying company doesn't add 2.5% more users to its monthly paid subscriber base in a single quarter. | |
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| But the real question is, will this create more Rim Jobs? Or will it end up being a big stinker?
Our economy really needs a good stimulus, and so far the politicians have done nothing but create a huge stink. Instead of stiffening up the economy, they've gotten on their knees and given it to their corporations.
Can our beloved RIM create more Rim Jobs and stimulate the economy? | |
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Greenville, TX | Re: But the real question is, will this create more Rim Jobs? hahahaha | |
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kudos:5 | More Rim Jobs? Ohhh...Kaaayyyyy | |
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1 edit | Re: But the real question is, will this create more Rim Jobs? said by Metatron2008:Can our beloved RIM create more Rim Jobs and stimulate the economy? Um.. Depends if RIM really would enjoy doing it. So far, they might have to. | |
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Verizon had more outages than RIM, yet, they have no problems.
I also heard about the news about drunk RIM employees on some airplane, but I doubt that other company's employees never get drunk and never cause problems. Verizon, Comcast all had their share of bad employees in the news (and actually I also remember good news about them), and Apple had scandals about an employee losing a not-yet-released iphone 4 if I remember well.
It seems like the media is bent on killing RIM off...
My company uses BB-s as we found them to be the best fit for our purposes, and most secure too. I wonder why bb-s are being banned in certain countries where people are being suppressed by their own government. Shigh. Anyways... | |
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Wilmington, DE | Re: I Love How Everyone is Writting Off RIM Gmail works fine on iPhones. I have Gmail set up via Exchange on my phone and my emails get pushed down instantly. | |
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| I wonder how many that are writing them off watched any part of the keynote?
Unlike the other fruit, there are a lot of interesting innovations in BB10. Peek and Flow are going to change how things work and what users expect.
I can assure you that if the iPad/iPhone were to support gestures the way QNX (PB 2.0 and BB10) does, the user experience would be that much better.
Just watch, by iPhone 7, the Home button will be history. I just hope RIM's patent lawyers have locked up the appropriate patents. | |
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|  Woody79_00I run Linux am I still a PC?Premium
join:2004-07-08
united state | Re: The Timing Will Be Perfect exactly....personally i feel RIM is far from done, in fact RIM CEO is playing this perfectly.
1. Lets see we have Apple vs Samsung (that fight is far from over, Samsung is suing Apple over LTE and the ongoing lawsuits now in other countries which Samsung is winning like the one in Japan)
2. We have Google going after Apple with the patents it gained ownership of when it bought Motorola and is bring them to bear against Apple because Apple went after its largest OEM(Samsung)
So while Google and Apple are busy suing each other of of existence and destroying each other, RIM is sitting, biding its time, to release to a market a truly "revolutionary" device. A device that will also be Android compatible, meaning it can run Android apps, while retaining the same fine-grained corporate control. All in a handset that will be cheaper then the equivalent Apple, Android, or Microsoft offering.
I also think Microsoft will bite of a significant share of market as well with RIM while the other two fight with each other and are too per-occupied. | |
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Bellingham, WA | Woos developers with REO Speedwagon? You mean makes developers woozy with REO Speedwagon.  | |
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