Smells great. Wake up and smell the internet.
Yeah, The music recording industry is circling the bowl, and a few are at least trying to see how a different distribution method works. This is like "well they're stealing it anyway, lets hold out the tin cup"!
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| |KylemaulLovin' My FirefoxPremium
North Port, FL
Re: Yeah, At least this gives the bands an opportunity to hold the tin cup out to the consumers instead of the industry!
| |ARGONAUTgot android?Premium
New Albany, IN
Re: Yeah, Amen!
Ann Arbor, MI
Making more money? How much money does a band make per CD?
Internet distribution is the way to go. Earth friendly, no plastic or paper. Low distribution costs, minimal storage and bandwidth. MP3 and DRM free is about the biggest plus.
How hard does DRM have to bite before business abandon it?
Re: Making more money?
said by Kilroy:I thought I heard once it was something like $0.07 per cd sold. (through regular channels) not sure about selling it themselves.
How much money does a band make per CD?
Could be wrong though.
Re: Making more money? From »www.music-law.com/contractbasics.html :
A band can expect an average of $1.00 in royalties for each full-priced ($16.98) CD sold through normal retail channels.So given that most bands won't see any royalties at all, the artist's take is really $0 per CD.
Did I say the band was going to actually receive royalties? Not so fast. The other major concept involved in record contracts is the term "recoupment". Recoupment is a fancy word for pay back. Record companies expend a lot of money on bands. They pay for all the studio time, give the band an advance, promote the band, etc. All of this money is a loan to the band which the band must pay back. This is recoupment. The band pays back the record label out of their royalties. For example, if a major label spends $250,000 to record an album, the band must make over $250,000 in royalties until they receive their first royalty check. Once a band sells enough records to pay back the amount to the record label, the band has recouped and will receive royalties on future record sales. Approximately 80% of albums never reach this point which means that most bands NEVER receive any royalty checks. Do the math yourself, if you owe the record company $250,000 and you make $1.00 per CD, that is a quarter of a million CD's you must sell before you collect royalties. The one redeeming feature is if the band does not sell enough CD's to recoup, they don't have to pay the record company back. It does not come out of the band's personal pocketbook.
Re: Making more money? That's the typical contract. That's middle-men expanding beyond any reasonable role and ripping off the public on one side and artists on the other. Many people form opinions on these issues without realizing that the industry works that way, and believing the dishonest rhetoric that RIAA represents artists. As they say on Slashdot, mod parent up.
But if artists can avoid that kind of contract and just hire the record company for distribution and maybe some promotion, it will be possible to confine them to their proper role, and the small share they deserve. If a record company provides distribution on terms favorable to the artist and the public, they should end up with, say, a few percent, and no copyrights.
That could be a viable model for the future. It could really rectify the situation. It would put artists in control, lower prices, expand the variety of music for sale, remove the DRM madness, and get the greedy, legislation-buying control freaks out of the industry.
All it takes is for bands to reject the old-style deals and deal with the record companies on very limited terms.
So it's not necessarily a bad thing that Radiohead are still dealing with the label. It depends on what kind of deal they make.
Re: Making more money? I believe Kid Rock has a contract similar to what you mention. At least according to my brother, who worked at Atlantic many years ago around the time Kid Rock was big. Be basically does everything but lets Atlantic do the promotion and distribution.
| |said by Jason Levine:How much of that $250K is "funny money"? That is money that the record company "pays" itself (as oppose to others) by playing right-pocket/left-pocket and thus does not actually spend? Are the rates that they claim to charge to record the record (ie: Studio Charges) the same as if the band did the recording themself at an non-company studio or are they inflating the costs? How much of the charges are actual and how much is pure profit? Much of that $250K is phony or inflated charges not real actual out of pocket costs (plus a reasonable profit).
The band pays back the record label out of their royalties. For example, if a major label spends $250,000 to record an album, the band must make over $250,000 in royalties until they receive their first royalty check.
Re: Making more money? Absolutely, they grossly over charge for studio time, I remember hearing Aaron Lewis lead singer of the band Staind doing a interview on a local radio station complaining about the evils of piracy and how it cost them either $250,000 or maybe it was even a million dollars to record whatever album they had coming out at that time. Unless a lot of that was their bonus, I really don't see why it should cost a band so much to record an album unless they're paying for over priced studio time and an over priced producer among others. Either that or they just really suck and needed a lot of work and "production magic".
| || The music industry is basically a bunch of loan sharks except they don't sit in an old bar that also has a bookie stitting in the booth next to him.|
Geffen, he got richer than 99% of the artists and became a multi-billionaire.
Funny the call it Virgin Records. Labels take a singer or bands virginity and prostitutes them.
Def Leppard's Pyromania sold over 10 million and they were 2 million pounds in the hole before Hysteria came out.
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| || |said by Jason Levine:I saw an interview with Kevin Cronan (sp) years ago where he claimed REO Speedwagon never made a dime until their 8th album. Up until then they still owed money to the record label.
given that most bands won't see any royalties at all, the artist's take is really $0 per CD.
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| |tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
Saint Louis, MO
Amazing... This isn't even on usenet?!?
If the music industry worked on the donation-to-artists business model, we might actually see piracy stop, the artists might get *more* money, and the only losers would be the labels and the RIAA which charges them..
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| |nipseyrusselNipsey Russell, yo
wtf a) 160kbps??? ahhh...music for undiscerning music listener
b) "How much money does a band make per CD?"
see above (how to attach below??)
| |ARGONAUTgot android?Premium
New Albany, IN
10? ZIP FILE CONTAINING 10 X 160KBPS DRM FREE MP3s.
So, CD 2 won't be in offered?
| |TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and OpusReviews:
said by ARGONAUT:ZIP FILE CONTAINING 10 X 160KBPS DRM FREE MP3s.That is correct, You get CD 2 as part of the DiscBox.
So, CD 2 won't be in offered?
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| |koamPink PeckerPremium
Got it Note that Hotmail put the order confirmation in the Inbox, but sent the Download email to the Junk Mail folder.
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Steve Vai - open letter from 2004 Here is some additional info about the industry from one of the greats.
#3 Artists are not allowed to audit manufacturing numbers. Go figure that one. If you cant' see the records by which your CD's were manufactured, how can one determine if they were accounted to properly?
| |MidakDoctors suckPremium
It sucks!!! Ok,, I just tried to listening to each song but found myself aving to skip to the next one after a minute or so. I paid zero for it but feel I should ask them for $15 right now for putting me through that.
| |juilinsandarTexas GoonerPremium
San Benito, TX
Re: It sucks!!! The last cd of theirs I liked was "OK Computer". They got to experimental after that one. In my opinion anyway.
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Sir Winston Churchill
Re: It sucks!!! Same for me, liked Pablo Honey, liked The Bends more and liked OK Computer..... I still kind of feel like Kid A and Amnesiac were waste of money, though at one point I thought they started to grow on me, but I never really followed up on listening to them more, maybe I should give them another try.
Don't get me wrong, I like bands that don't sound pretty much the same with every release to where there's almost no change in anything style wise *COUGHKoRnCOUGHCOUGH*, but I think I prefer things to be a little progressive in the direction. But at least they're doing their own thing.
on recording contracts Here's an often read treatise on how the big record industry works, or has worked for years. It's written by Steve Albini the producer of Nirvana's In Utero and other post-punk bands. It's long but very interesting.
| |JehuPrime AddictPremium
Roger Right then, filing this under: "Things Radiohead can do because they are the most popular band in the universe."
right next to "have incomprehensible web site."
| |cbrigante2Cubs 20??Premium
North Aurora, IL
Re: Roger I'm still waiting on the email with the code for the download. The site has been getting bombed today with traffic as you're lucky to even get it to come up.
Most Radiohead albums are a hard first listen, but they grow on your by the 3rd or 4th time through.