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it has begun, againLet the retransmission fees war begin , again | |
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This is an inevitable fact of doing businessNothing can stop this from reoccurring short of price controls with the FCC setting specific mandatory prices that the content operators receive and must accept like it or not and the cable companies must pay and carry like it or not. And that ain't gonna happen since the idea is absurd. | |
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Cut the cord, Ditch the Dish.. Whatever you gotta do.This is one of the reasons that I cancelled pay TV years ago. Why pay for something that is available for FREE over the air? | |
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Re: Cut the cord, Ditch the Dish.. Whatever you gotta do.Because AMC, Smithsonian, History aren't available over the air? At my juncture in life it would be like cutting off my nose to spite my face. I don't like it but there just isn't enough content OTA for me. | |
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Re: Cut the cord, Ditch the Dish.. Whatever you gotta do.But after 3 weeks of watch those channels, you've basically seen everything they have to offer. Oh, and Netflix/Amazon Prime for the stuff that's relevant.
We've been snipped for about a year. One of the best financial decisions we've made.
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If you can stream video then - Smithsonian App = Available on Apple TV History App = Available on Apple TV or purchase shows from ITunes or Amazon. AMC = Purchase from Itunes or Amazon. | |
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Re: Cut the cord, Ditch the Dish.. Whatever you gotta do.I used those as examples I probably have a list that would cost more than I am paying for cable to obtain alacarte. Plus the really good TV channels tie you to a cable subscription. Not fair but it happens all the same. | |
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Re: Cut the cord, Ditch the Dish.. Whatever you gotta do. We had FiOS Ultimate (or whatever it was called). The only channel we initially missed was HGTV. But I wouldn't even consider that *really* good. | |
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said by JimThePCGuy:Because AMC, Smithsonian, History aren't available over the air? At my juncture in life it would be like cutting off my nose to spite my face. I don't like it but there just isn't enough content OTA for me. Problem with all of the channels you have mentioned is that they offer 2 or 3 "prime" shows, that get a 20-odd episode season, and the rest of it is all repeats, repeats, repeats, repeats..... History Channel does not show shows online without having to enter a cable provider password, but the earlier seasons of series like Pawn Stars are on Amazon Prime. But MANY cable networks, including AMC, Discovery, etc offer their shows on Netflix. You will be behind a season or two, but if you aren't too hung up in having to watch the LATEST show NOW, then you should be OK. (And quite frankly, the days when you showed up to work the next day to talk about who it could have been that shot JR, are long gone. People watch stuff on their DVR a week later, and by then its irrelevant.) For instance, I have never watch Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, and Lost, three TV shows which come highly rated by the public. I still INTEND to watch them when I have the time, and when I do I probably watch 3, 4 episodes at once on a Sunday morning or something like that. I have an Amazon Prime account, a Netflix account, and I used to have Hulu but cancelled it due to the commercials. I basically spend about $25 a month on content (I also have a SmartDNS so I can use e.g. BBC iPlayer), and my DirecTV bill was $112 when I cut the cord (and it was going up to $117 at that point). In a nutshell, I am pocketing a THOUSAND dollars a year. The quality of the shows being put on air these days that I can't get via a streaming device is.... (and that is an opinion, to each his own but I don't need to see duck hunters and swamp men and booboo honey crap)... downright appalling, and I refuse to pay for all that. On top of that, I am not a huge sports fan and if you live in a big market like I do (Los Angeles area) you pay for the broadcast rights of 2 MLB teams, 2 NHL teams, 2 NBA teams, and 2 MLS teams, and some of those teams (such as Dodgers and Lakers) charge $4 per viewer per channel/team because they all make their own channels now. I calculated $35 or more of my bill goes directly to sports I don't want to watch. Explain to me HOW it makes sense to want to pay for stuff I don't want to watch? So we decided that we cut some programs that we could live without, watch the rest on Netflix, Amazon, and BBC iPlayer, and pocket the THOUSAND dollars. As others have said, best decision I have ever made! We don't have to be entertained by an electronic box every night. And instead of wanting a-la-carte on channels, I took it a step further and went a-la-carte on individual programs. So what that I am 2 seasons behind on shows I like to watch. I really don't care, and I get to watch em when I want to watch them, not when the DVR threatens to be out of space. | |
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Free OTA some places, unfortunately not to mine. | |
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2014-Sep-2 7:33 pm
Re: Cut the cord, Ditch the Dish.. Whatever you gotta do.When all but one local station is 100+ miles away no OTA. The OTA stations are showing so many repeats cable may get snipped. | |
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2014-Sep-3 10:35 pm
Re: Cut the cord, Ditch the Dish.. Whatever you gotta do.If you live far enough from a major city that you can't get OTA, you have bigger problems. | |
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Re: Cut the cord, Ditch the Dish.. Whatever you gotta do.said by Robert Bohan :If you live far enough from a major city that you can't get OTA, you have bigger problems. A matter of opinion I suppose, cities aren't that thrilling to many of us.... but in my case I live 18 miles as the crow flies from the broadcast antenna's and still get zip due to a large hill. Now there isn't a lot I want to see on TV> local news, today's seahawks game, maybe some of the PBS stuff. so that's what LIMITED BASIC provides at $15.xx per month (really about $3 after the multi product discount.) | |
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I can't wait for the day that all companies put $50 fee add on to all customers that don't have pay TV. If the continued decline happens things like Netflix and Hulu will significantly rise as television and movie studios will need to get the revenue one way or another. This may be several years off but cord cuts will pay one way or another. Also one day OTA will not be free as they pressure Rebroadcast companies for more money just like Raycom is doing. | |
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Since a majority of satellite dish customers live in rural areas, OTA reception is next to impossible. | |
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Switching providers is not the answerI hope DirecTV and their subscribers can stick this out and not buckle into Raycom Media's rate hike demands, like they did with The Weather Channel earlier this year. From: » directvpromise.com/local ··· happens/quote: Negotiations DIRECTV pays programmers fees to carry their networks or local stations. When contracts come to an end, we negotiate new agreements, and the vast majority of the time you never hear about them. But sometimes programmers demand an increase thats two, three, and even 10 times more what theyve ever received before and all for the exact same channels. We believe its our responsibility to take a stand and protect you from these excessive price increases so you dont see an unnecessary increase to your familys monthly bill. : By sticking up for average families and holding firm during disputes, DIRECTV has been able to keep its annual price increases to half the industry average. DIRECTV has your back and wants you to enjoy any ABC, CBS, FOX or NBC show you want and at a reasonable price. Just imagine your familys bill if we simply accepted an arbitrary fee demand for one local station, let alone the 1,580 with whom we partner. Your patience has a direct impact on your bill, and so while every dispute is often resolved quite quickly, we appreciate your support as we fight by your side. : Switching Is Never the Answer None of the major TV providers is immune from local stations that feel entitled to shut off their most loyal viewers or manipulate the flow of your favorite shows. Even the highest ranking broadcast officials were forced to admit to Congress that these blackouts are unfair to the average family and so pressure continues to mount in Congress and the FCC to force self-destructive local stations to stop. In the past year, more than 850 mom-and-pop, single community cable operators joined DIRECTV their largest competitor to help bring an end to local stations treating customers like their personal ATM machines.
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Re: Switching providers is not the answerI can't pull anything "over the air" based on my location. That being said, I support Directv. Short of sporting events, I have no use for CBS whatsoever. I wouldn't even realize it was gone at certain times of the year. The same can be said for NBC, ABC, and Fox. If it isn't a sporting event, no network TV. I quit watching network garbage decades ago (late 80's, early 90's). | |
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Re: Switching providers is not the answerSame here. I only watch network TV during major sporting events. Network TV is a endless tide of reality TV crap. | |
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Re: Switching providers is not the answersaid by devolved:Same here. I only watch network TV during major sporting events. Network TV is a endless tide of reality TV crap. That is simply NOT true. There are EXCELLENT OUTSTANDING dramas on network TV. What IS true is all that sports drivel....I resent having to pay for all that utter crap. | |
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2014-Sep-4 4:03 am
Re: Switching providers is not the answerPlease name one. | |
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Re: Switching providers is not the answersaid by Mele20:said by devolved:Same here. I only watch network TV during major sporting events. Network TV is a endless tide of reality TV crap. That is simply NOT true. There are EXCELLENT OUTSTANDING dramas on network TV. said by RobertB :Please name one. If you count Public TV networks, then PBS's "Downton Abbey." It's a consistent Emmy nominee. | |
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said by telcodad:I hope DirecTV and their subscribers can stick this out and not buckle into Raycom Media's rate hike demands, like they did with The Weather Channel earlier this year. Not me I already had a transition to TWC before all this nonsense started. Build a WMC PC and am now saving ~$70 a month vs DTV. | |
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I tire of this ...If broadcasters want conduct their business using a public resource for free, how can they keep a straight face when DTV (or anyone else) wants to limit or eliminate retransmission fees?
Make them pay for using public spectrum. | |
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Re: I tire of this ...Broadcasters already pay...yearly..to use "public spectrum". Try again. | |
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Re: I tire of this ...said by RadioDoc:Broadcasters already pay...yearly..to use "public spectrum". Try again. How much? In US dollars of course.. | |
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Re: I tire of this ...TV (47 CFR part 73) VHF Commercial Markets 1-10 86,075 Markets 11-25 78,975 Markets 26-50 42,775 Markets 51-100 22,475 Remaining Markets 6,250 Construction Permits 6,250 TV (47 CFR part 73) UHF Commercial Markets 1-10 38,000 Markets 11-25 35,050 Markets 26-50 23,550 Markets 51-100 13,700 Remaining Markets 3,675 Construction Permits 3,675
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Re: I tire of this ...Thanks. It's obviously really cheap. Without knowing populations in the different market categories it's probably many times less than $1 per viewer.
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Re: I tire of this ...That is what each TV station pays the government every year just to be on the air, before paying for anything else. A company like Raycom is paying somewhere around $2 million total based on an average of midsize markets. Keep in mind that in return for being licensed OTA each television station has regulatory public interest burdens not faced by cable or DBS, and that is the "deal" between them and the public. DirecTV and Dish, who also didn't pay for their spectrum and have no public interest obligations, pay less in regulatory fees than one medium sized television group: quote: Space Stations (per operational station in geostationary orbit) (47 CFR part 25) also includes DBS Service (per operational station): 139,100
In 2013 that total was $2,052,450 for Dish and DirecTV combined. Broadcast Television stations paid $23,346,475. Now, who is sponging off the "people's airwaves" again? | |
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Re: I tire of this ...I think you are forgetting ground based transmitting stations that directv and dish both operate and have licenses for.
Also your number is two licensees compared to how many broadcast television licensees? My not researched math leads me to believe it is more than twelve tv broadcast licensees.
And as far as broadcast television goes, you don't operate in that business by scraping by and barely covering costs or else they would never attract investors and media conglomerates to want to buy them. They do quite well above and far beyond all actual or fabricated costs. | |
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Re: I tire of this ...Those ground stations pay $275 per year. Two hundred and seventy five dollars. The numbers I posted are directly from the FCC website. Go look them up under the 2014 regulatory fee proceeding. That $23+ million is for all TV stations. The DBS licenses are nationwide so I am not sure why you're having a problem with this unless you are intentionally trying walk away from the initial comment "[m]ake them pay for using public spectrum". DBS pays less than 9% of what broadcast operations do every year just to be on the air. Make them pay, indeed. » www.fcc.gov/regfeesYour last paragraph describes Dish and DirecTV exactly. | |
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Ok. I will try again.
First, I do not understand why you put public spectrum in quotes. This is a national resource and managed by the federal government.
The fees you identify are *not* license fees. They are regulatory fees which is why the number is so so low. Compare this to the *license* fees that are paid by mobile operators.
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Government Interference Created This MessFirst the federal government said subscription TV sellers "must carry" local broadcast content. Then they turned around and said local broadcasters could charge retransmission fees.
Once again the federal government, by messing with things, has created a mess.
Here's a thought: Federal government: Keep your hands off! Roll back the retransmission fee and must carry decisions and let the market sort itself out.
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Oh wellWe lost our local FOX station which we are in a habit of having their morning news on in the mornings while getting ready for the weather and traffic and what not (while they go to commercial every 5 mins!). Well this morning we just found ourselves over at the local ABC station. Wasn't that big of a change. Raycom better cave quick or they may find that when they do come back our habits have already changed. | |
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2014-Sep-2 11:40 am
Who cares?We have two local stations here, one is an NBC affiliate and one is a Fox affiliate (They also carry the CW). I hate both. The NBC stations local gm gets on to "Speak his mind" about things going on in/around the community and national state, and it annoys the hell out of me. I guess he thinks he is bringing some value to the station but he really is not.
The Fox station does not even broadcast in hd.
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attenna as wellI have an antenna , so i can watch philly and nyc channels. Direct should just build their dishes to have local channel reception . Direct should just tell them they dont want to re-trans. Direct should be asking them for money. Netflix has that problem with cable providers. | |
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2014-Sep-2 12:12 pm
Same issue brewing over in Dish landHeartland Media running a crawl warning of channels being pulled/dropped from dish if new agreement is not reached. » www.kezi.com/qanda/ | |
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Majority Siding with DTVI am the lucky one to be in the rural market which Raycom covers. However with having social media it is interesting to see how opinions are on who is at fault. For example if you go to KLTV or KSLA Facebook pages when they posted the plug was pulled, the majority of comments as of last night are Raycom quite being the playground bully and sign the F*n contract. Its not worth switching providers and signing new contracts for a dispute that might end in the next 2 hours. With then being in a contract that might have the same dispute in 4 months. Only hope the majority(like us) still have some sort of antenna if they want to watch primetime "reruns" live or a decent internet connection to watch the local news stations stream the newscasts (which all Raycom stations do now) aka Chromecast to TV for those who do not have the antenna. | |
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Nanaki (banned)aka novaflare. pull punches? Na join:2002-01-24 Akron, OH |
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This is just stupid and i hate direct tvFirst let me say i hate direct tv with a passion nothing about them that i do like how ever....
To me this is no different than the credit card companies who charge us a interest rate and also charge retail stores a fee for each transaction. They are making money off of every one. In the case of commercial television aka network tv they get paid by their advertisers and then they charge direct tv twc cox comcast etc another fee to retransmit their broadcast. This is total and complete bs. If they are going to charge direct tv and other carriers then they should not have commercials broadcast on re-broadcasters such as all the major carriers. Let them insert their own advertisements charge them for that. If they insist on having their advertisers on the rebroadcast then they should not be allowed to charge any carrier a fee to do so. After all it is to their benefit. As now they are getting more people watching their station.
For example i can not get fox ota whee i live. It is plenty close but to much in the way. So fox commercials never get seen by me. With cable or sat tv i would get it and would see the commercials.
To me it i feel that this sort of thing should not even be legal. same for credit car transaction. I have my self been in retail sales. I have my self had to pay that fee. Why the heck should i pay some credit card company for doing them the favor of accepting their cc? With tv it is this why should direct tv ,cox ,comcast ,twc etc pay the networks to do them the favor of helping their ratings and helping them make money?
Honestly if i was a major company like twc cox eetc i would install a high gain antenna for ota channels as part of the cable tv etc package charge the customer a few bucks per month for a high gain antenna and laugh at the networks. Honestly i seriously doubt that the networks could do a damn thing about such a thing. After all the carrier is not doing any thing but renting a high end antenna to its customers.
Stick antenna on roof and say stick it abc cbs nbc fox etc all. 10 to 1 it would not be long before the networks would be begging for the carriers to rebroadcast their stations for free.
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2014-Sep-2 5:33 pm
and queue the piracyWhen time warner had its returns dispute with CBS and its owned stations, piracy spiked. The upside for network shows is at least dtv users can steam them if they have good internet. The content owner scum in the tw dispute blocked tw IP blocks. | |
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2014-Sep-2 6:06 pm
RaycomIn the Charlotte market and as it turns out the Columbia, SC market put up a propaganda speech by the station managers on Facebook.
The one for WBTV got removed because they got utterly hammered by people.
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Re: Raycomsaid by ke4pym:In the Charlotte market and as it turns out the Columbia, SC market put up a propaganda speech by the station managers on Facebook.
The one for WBTV got removed because they got utterly hammered by people.
Awesome. People are wising up a little bit. Yeah, it was funny, our local wave3.com had they BS article up and got hammered in the comments, now no comments are allowed on it lol. | |
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Raycom Channels Go Dark for DirecTV UsersI remember when satellite TV did not have locals. Now I don't have satellite TV or cable TV, just the internet and over-the-air-antenna. There is more than enough TV on the internet of what you want and I don't mean foreign, religious, and shopping channels, just look for it, it's there! | |
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Re: Raycom Channels Go Dark for DirecTV UsersI remember being able to watch the same network direct feeds TV stations get, where networks sent their network promos and news feeds during their off hours. Back when everything was "in the clear" and not scrambled or ciphered. | |
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No local NFL Sunday Ticket games for DirecTV subscribers in Raycom marketsDIRECTV: No Local NFL Games For Raycom ViewersBy Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - September 3, 2014 » www.tvpredictions.com/tv ··· 0314.htmquote: If their market has a Fox or CBS affiliate, which air NFL games, they won't be able to watch their local team (or any team) unless DIRECTV and Raycom reach a new agreement by Sunday. ...
The prospect of going without the NFL has many DIRECTV subscribers in Raycom markets asking if the satcaster will waive their in-market blackout on its NFL Sunday Ticket package. : In response to one subscriber's question, @DIRECTVService tweeted yesterday: "You will not be able to get your local team on NFL ST since that package is set up for you to receive out of market teams."
Before you blame DIRECTV, the satcaster really doesn't have a choice. The NFL Ticket package requires the satcaster to black out games provided by your local channel, even if DIRECTV itself won't offer that local channel.
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Re: No local NFL Sunday Ticket games for DirecTV subscribers in Raycom marketsDIRECTV Calls On Raycom Media and Dispatch Video To Free NFL and College Football Fans To See Their GamesDirecTV Press Release, Business Wire - September 4, 2014 » www.businesswire.com/new ··· all-Fansquote: DIRECTV today called upon local broadcaster Raycom Media to allow DIRECTV customers to see opening weekend NFL action ... as well as upcoming NCAA football games this Saturday.
To have any local broadcaster like Raycom deliberately deny these fans the freedom to watch the home teams theyve helped to preserve is simply atrocious. : People in great NFL cities like Cleveland and New Orleans avidly support their local teams in many ways, including with public monies to keep these teams within their home communities, says Dan York, chief content officer for DIRECTV. To have any local broadcaster like Raycom deliberately deny these fans the freedom to watch the home teams theyve helped to preserve is simply atrocious.
He added, We ask nothing more than for Raycom to set aside their egregious pricing demands for access to 'free' over-the-air TV signals for a few hours, abide by their license to serve the public interest and allow their own viewers to enjoy their NFL and NCAA football games. : No matter what Raycom decides, DIRECTV will offer all customers a free preview of NFL SUNDAY TICKET to help welcome the new season, enabling each fan to see as many as nine additional out-of-market games this weekend they wouldnt get without an annual subscription, as well as THE RED ZONE, the new DIRECTV FANTASY ZONE, Game Mix, and Shortcuts, which offers full games in 30 minutes.
DIRECTV hopes Raycom will do the right thing and put fans first and not use their own content as a means to extort even more out of the wallets of families in the communities they claim to serve.
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2014-Sep-7 5:34 am
raycomwarwithdirectvHang in there directv. I don't care if I ever watch fox locally. I tried and tried to get cable where I live and was repeatedly told no. Directv is the best as far as I am concerned. | |
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2014-Sep-7 6:02 pm
Raycom channels?Which ones are those? I have never even heard of them. | |
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